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Author Topic: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum  (Read 544118 times)

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3405 on: October 24, 2021, 01:57:40 PM »
What is this, an analog computer?
To simulate the Schrödinger equation in real time?


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3405 on: October 24, 2021, 01:57:40 PM »

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3406 on: October 24, 2021, 02:07:25 PM »
Analysis of the patent:
 https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg561071/#msg561071


You confused me:
Hi Wesley,
Imagine process:
-central conductor is "kicked" by HV source
we have traveling wave in the coil around the tube  but not inside of the glass tube...
in the glass tube we have DC electron drift. from cathode to anode... if we have anode.. as this can be just  a fist stage of an  electron gun..
the cathode is not heated - it is cold cathode.
the tube has  vacuum inside :- it means no grid.. no anode under  HV..
the different story is when patent is talking about propelling "jet " engine application..

here is the quote from the patent:
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The invention is based on the phenomenon that the progressive magnetic field of a traveling Wave (for example the traveling
wave produced in a loaded transmission line or by spaced coils excited in different phases) exerts a unidirectional drag upon electrons in the field and that conversely
a unidirectional notion of electrons tends to produce or enhance a traveling wave.

 
Meaning of Traveling wave  may be confusing as explaining   formula not always relates to
the origin of the wave and the type of the wave. So longitudinal waves are excluded from quantum  worlds and belongs entirely  into classical mechanics.
So when  you look at  wave phenomena you must !! always remember  that you are reading the right explanation for right  type of wave.
To make it more confusing..
classical physics  called classical mechanics is  an observable world - something we can see or sense without special equipment..
-some wave behavior in both  words the classical physic and quantum physics can be very similar so often we use  longitudinal wave behavior to 
explain electromagnetic waves that belongs to quantum world.
example: the statement
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Traveling wave  is a wave in which the medium moves in the direction of propagation.
applies to  longitudinal mechanical wave  that belongs to  classical mechanic section of the physics
here is yet another  explanation of Traveling  wave:
 https://byjus.com/physics/travelling-wave/#:~:text=A%20wave%20can%20be%20described%20as%20a%20disturbance,the%20medium%20is%20known%20as%20a%20travelling%20wave.



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Looking at the two:-the mechanical longitudinal wave and -the electromagnetic wave we often looking at analogical and differentiating factors like if we were looking at
cat, dog, and human...

the common to them is that:
-they are all animals from group known as mammals
- they have 4 legs  however human uses the two as hands.
- cat eats meat, dog eats meat and accepts some other additions and human eats  "everything"...
- but other than that behavior of cats and dogs comparing to behavior of human  animal are totally different.
example:
-cat doesn't have problem with God..
-human animal often has a problem with God/gods..
some superstitious human animals  have problem with black cat crossing their road.. :)

Physics can't explain it to these idiots
entrapped in their spiritual world..not accessible by trained  psychologists..psychiatrists
and yet they think that they are totally normal... in their surrealistic world  of abnormal, imagined, non existing reality..
So they make rules..and in that psychiatric  hospital all patients are in majority  - making that majority
....and that is why they think that they are normal..
-these doctors and nurses or  in science the physicists, historians anthropologists who are in minority differ so much ...
and that  is why for that majority of human animals  in that mental hospital they are not normal..
So school teaches the truth. Teachers  are educators,  tolerated  as telling the weird truth..
and life goes on in the world of priests and other professionals making money on lies,and often believing in these  lies


Although science never makes such statement - that "duality" between:an official science "life" reality  and the human animal life reality
made  from believes helps me explain  to you : 
the behavior of the wave in classical mechanics (as our observable world)  that looks so similar.... but in quantum reality ( as our world that can't be seen with our senses..)
it differs  so much.



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so I don't understand  entire  comment:
to free electrons from metal lattice while at the same time traveling wave process described in the patent goes on.
Electrons drift is done much easier then, without ohmic loss caused by metal lattice collisions.
To visualize it better- electrons jumps out of the conductor during HV potential "kick" and then are dragged alongside conductor by traveling wave,
falling back to central conductor. Net current and voltage difference occurs at the ends of central conductor.
Maybe that is a key to SM words about "kicks" and a "catalyst"?
Wesley
« Last Edit: October 24, 2021, 05:03:28 PM by stivep »

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3407 on: October 24, 2021, 04:59:52 PM »
Hi Wesley,
Thanks for your time analysing patent.


In the first section of patent (claims) it describes that  unidirectional current could be driven by progressive magnetic field of travelling wave  if there is fixed longitudal metallic conductor in the centre :
"The drag may be utilised for the acceleration of elec
trons in a vacuum discharge tube to resuit in a new form
of linear accelerator.
Or it may be utilised for establishing a unidirectional
current or voltage in a circuit comprising a relatively
fixed longitudinal conductor or semi-conductor. In this
case the exciting alternating current energy and a recti
fying device results which yields a uniform or modulated
output dependent on the exciting or input energy".


We know that in metals  flow of current is experiencing resistance due to collisions with atoms in metal lattice.
This is my proposal to overcome or reduce ohmic losses for  electrons drift in central conductor, caused by progressive magnetic field of travelling wave.
By kicking them out of central conductor by HV pulses at the same time.
Thermionic emission may also take place and enhance the process once central conductor gets heated by current flowing.
As SM stated for his TPU, he had a "DC current with some hasch".
Very interesting  thing for Thonemann energy converter is that :
" progressive magnetic field of a travelling Wave (for ex
ample the travelling wave produced in a loaded transmis
sion line or by spaced coils excited in different phases)
exerts a unidirectional drag upon eiectrons in the field
and that conversely a unidirectional notion of electrons
tends to produce or enhance a travelling wave. "


So we have self supporting action.


This is a beauty:
Progressive magnetic field could be easily created by loaded transmission line or by multiphase winding. So, for coils drive we can use even 3 phase current from wall socket.


Kind Regards,
Pix

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3407 on: October 24, 2021, 04:59:52 PM »
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3408 on: October 24, 2021, 06:18:32 PM »
Analysis of the patent:
 https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg561071/#msg561071

In the first section of patent (claims) it describes that  unidirectional current could be driven by progressive magnetic field of traveling wave  if there is fixed longitudinal metallic conductor in the center : 
No patent doesn't say that: it says:
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(b) a gaseous conducting medium enclosed within the Sealed tube,

that means :
A conductor is a material that allows the flow of charge when applied with a voltage.
in comparison to that:
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Gas can conduct electricity under two condition using a discharge tube; (1)low pressure (about ~0.01mmHg) (2)high voltage (>1000v)
When gases get ionized, they're no longer gases, really, they're plasma. In fact, it's definition of plasma in physics that it's ionized gas.
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At atmospheric pressure, air and other gases are poor conductors (Insulators) of electricity. Because, they don't have any free electrons to carry current. But, once the free electrons are produced in gas by ionization (they become plasmas), electric discharge occurs.//Indeed, gases become plasmas once they're ionized!
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/38631/can-gases-conduct-electricity
 and now:
 
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Particle accelerators may be classified technologically as direct (potential drop) accelerators and indirect (radiofrequency, plasma) accelerators
.https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/particle-acceleration
the primary requirement  for ionization is to have potential  difference  between anode and cathode.
Patent says that  it does have cathode and anode but cathode is not heated and anode doesn't have potential difference ( or I simply didn't noticed that)

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nowhere  in that patent there is presence of conductor in sealed vacuumed glass tube.
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Continuous Wave (CW) beam delivery: in order to be accelerated by radiofrequency (RF) fields, the beam has to be subdivided in small packets called bunches and the RF has to be synchronized with the bunch progression through the accelerator. If the resulting bunch train is delivered continuously to the target, the beam delivery is called continuous wave. For providing such a beam, the accelerator must operate in a steady state characterized by constant guiding fields and constant RF frequency;
So we see in the patent that their primary intention is to  create bunches in progressive sections of 12 winds winding sections and in Fig6 using phase driven sections.
But they  see the entire structure as an accelerator only in application shown in Fig 7.
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But if we had the  wire inside  the  sealed  vacuumed tube than  we dealing with   with... hm...
a conductor in vacuum.. having its own LC properties and  resonance frequency .. however
the purpose of patented device is  to  make the glass tube a converter but not the secondary winding of  an electrical "air" transformer  made just from 1 wind only.. like Tesla coil with its primary and secondary..


you can't accelerate  electrons in the conductor..
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when an electron traveled from negative potential to positive potential, the velocity of the electron is a constant.
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Electrons (in the conductor) are accelerated by the constant applied electric field that comes from the external potential difference between two points, but are decelerated by the intense internal electric fields from the material atoms that makes up the circuit. This effect is modeled as resistance
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/18801/why-doesnt-an-electron-accelerate-in-a-circuit

So now please based on  written above reformulate your question and proposed by you application.
Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3409 on: October 24, 2021, 06:29:57 PM »
Wesley,
"The drag may be utilized for the acceleration of electrons in a vacuum discharge tube to result in a new form of linear accelerator.Or it may be utilized for establishing a unidirectional current or voltage in a circuit comprising a relatively fixed longitudinal conductor or semi-conductor. In this case the exciting alternating current energy and a rectifying device results which yields a uniform or modulated output dependent on the exciting or input energy".


Quote: "you can't accelerate electrons in conductor".
Indeed. That is why I want to kick them out of conductor, by HV pulse . Now they can be accelerated by progressive magnetic field of traveling wave at the moments they jumped out of conductor  ;)


Regards,
Pix
« Last Edit: October 24, 2021, 06:47:06 PM by stivep »

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3410 on: October 24, 2021, 06:38:22 PM »
Analysis of the patent:
 https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg561071/#msg561071

Wesley,
"The drag may be utilized for the acceleration of electrons in a vacuum discharge tube to result in a new form of linear accelerator.
Or it may be utilized for establishing a unidirectional current or voltage in a circuit comprising a relatively fixed longitudinal conductor or semi-conductor. In this case the exciting alternating current energy and a rectifying device results which yields a uniform or modulated output dependent on the exciting or input energy".
True but  there is no word about proposed by you tube with conductor inside..
In order TO KICK electrons out of the conductor it must be representing a cathode but not the  conductive path from  one side of the tube  to another.

Please read my comment about  acceleration from above.
So how do you propose your own device ...BASED ON ALL SAID ABOVE.
Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3411 on: October 24, 2021, 07:00:26 PM »
Wesley,
My proposal:
Central conductor in form of ring, may be inserted in vacuum glass tube ( to ease exit of electrons when kicked by HV pulses), outside are located coils for creating progressive magnetic field of travelling wave.
Process:
1. create travelling wave  by loaded transmission line or multiphase driven coils upon central conductor ring located inside
2. kick central conductor with HV pulses
3. when electrons are kicked outside central conductor by HV pulse they experience acceleration by travelling wave and they drops back to central conductor. Jumps and acceleration of electrons repeat every HV pulse. That is creating current flow and potential difference in central conductor.  Additionally, accelerated electrons when they fall back to central conductor may collide with electrons inside conductor and give them energy necessary to leave conductor. This process may multiply current.


Please see attached. But of course arrangements may vary. We may not use vacuum glass tube but dielectric around central conductor, the important is to kick electrons out of conductor.


Regards,
Pix




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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3412 on: October 24, 2021, 07:22:26 PM »
Analysis of the patent:
 https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg561071/#msg561071


if the red  circle inside if the vacuum tube is your closed coil acting as electron emitter, how do you apply high voltage
to it?
What is the  path of the electrons emitted  from the conductor?
where are  the potential difference points (like in normal accelerator  anode  cathode)?
what is the gain  (an increase in the value of power)   you getting from any of your proposed configuration?

Wesley

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« Reply #3413 on: October 24, 2021, 07:43:41 PM »
Wesley,
To kick central conductor by HV we need to introduce another electrode.
It may be another conductor located outside vacuum glass tube. Glass serves isolator. On top of it we locate driving coils or traveling wave armature coils.


Regards,
Pix
« Last Edit: October 24, 2021, 07:56:35 PM by stivep »

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« Reply #3414 on: October 24, 2021, 09:11:58 PM »
Analysis of the patent:
 https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg561071/#msg561071


In picture from above named Question.jpg
 - redacted by you there is presence of:
1. HV inner coil acting upon another inner coil that is inside of glass envelope making 1:1 "air" transformer.
    Because HV impulse is AC (leading edge falling edge) it will induce  HV in open loop inside of the  glass envelope.
2. Because HV impulse is AC (leading edge falling edge) it will induce  HV in  accelerating set of coils - its LC components.
    for accelerating of electrons there is a need of  anode and cathode or  cathode and  target ending point for accelerated particles.
    You don't have this structure inside the glass envelope.
e. the direction of electrons  is perpendicular to the direction of acceleration now.
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 You didn't respond to the questions:

where are  the potential difference points (like in normal accelerator  anode  cathode)?
what is the gain  (an increase in the value of power)   you getting from any of your proposed configuration?

Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3415 on: October 24, 2021, 10:36:30 PM »
Wesley here is a not so simple question and it's not what we are always told
How fast does an electron travel through a wire or should I say - a magnetically charged electron
or is it the other way round, what ever!

I ask this as if it traveled at a constant speed
then how could any thing possibly work ?
Regards Sil
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« Reply #3416 on: October 25, 2021, 02:17:23 AM »
How fast does an electron travel through a wire
I ask this as if it traveled at a constant speed
then how could any thing possibly work ?
An electron in the copper wire travels at a speed of about 1 cm/sec. This is about as fast as an ant scurries on the ground.
The speed of an electron in a wire really has virtually nothing to do with the speed of a signal.
https://www.informit.com/articles/article.
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3417 on: October 25, 2021, 09:44:31 AM »
Nie kapuje poco mu drut w środku, przecież im większa gęstość zjonizowanych atomów gazu tym większa przewodność, a poza tym nie trzeba ani MHz, ani kW i niekoniecznie muszą być też impulsy HV żeby zjonizować gaz, np.: lampy wzbudzane indukcją magnetyczną https://cdn.fulham.com/PDFs/Fulham_HighHorseInduction.pdf .

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3418 on: October 25, 2021, 11:22:27 AM »
To jakie jest minimum dla jonizacji gazu ? Najpierw następuje przebicie, a potem podtrzymanie. Przebicie to HV, a podtrzymanie już nie koniecznie. np.Lampy rtęciowe.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3419 on: October 25, 2021, 12:14:10 PM »
Niema konkretnej stałej na tak ogólne pytanie, gdyż to jest problem złożony obliczeniowo, np.: symulacja lampy bez-elektrodowej
https://www.comsol.com/model/electrodeless-lamp-10062
https://www.comsol.com/model/download/789421/models.plasma.electrodeless_lamp.pdf

 

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