Kapanadze and other FE discussion

[Belfior]

Yes, personal safety is a big issue here. I would favour experimenting in an open space such as as park or farmland where a field kit could be used to data record over a given period of time. It should then be easier to standardise on distances, earth rod depths and height of atmospheric collectors. A good laptop and suitable software should then complete the kit, together with say a helium filled ballon to lift the aerial wire to a given height within the countries regulations. Oh and don't forget to get permission from the park manager / farmer.

Plauson already used and patented balloons with aluminium coating and zinc needles. Latter ones for ionization I believe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Plauson

http://0049606.netsolhost.com/pdf/GB157263.pdf

pulling a cable up with a drone and collecting electricity has already being tested

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhXxSAv6rMg

Early German inventors also pulled "antennas" between mountain peeks and collected electricity

[Hoppy]

Thanks for the links Belfior, which I think suggests fairly conclusively that Kapanadze would need to have collected and stored copius amounts of atmospheric energy to run his devices. Kapanadze's devices appear to me to be based more along the lines of a grid derived power amplification system that Antanas is working on the other thread here. Nonetheless, earth wire point potential experiments (ref: Wesley's test point plan) might reveal an interesting anomaly that could start up that proverbial 'steam roller' effect.

[AlienGrey]

Perhaps reinventing the wheel in testing as it appears we are going appears to have brought Hoppy's skepticism out of the closet

But perhaps Sending Hoppy over to see Roma, Nelson, Ruslan and TK would be a better idea to find out what is realy involved

might be a better idea to obtain any advantage in truth and or hidden expensive maintenance might be involved or trickery. 

Before we start playing round with special balloons systems or drones or even vintage car air ships floating around in the abyss!
 

[Hoppy]

Perhaps reinventing the wheel in testing as it appears we are going appears to have brought Hoppy's skepticism out of the closet

But perhaps Sending Hoppy over to see Roma, Nelson, Ruslan and TK would be a better idea to find out what is realy involved

might be a better idea to obtain any advantage in truth and or hidden expensive maintenance might be involved or trickery. 

Before we start playing round with special balloons systems or drones or even vintage car air ships floating around in the abyss!

Nice idea Alien. You can act as my Sherpa to carry all the test kit and vials of antidote and of course a pile of my vintage car mags for me to read on the journey. 

[AlienGrey]

Nice idea Alien. You can act as my Sherpa to carry all the test kit and vials of antidote and of course a pile of my vintage car mags for me to read on the journey. 

We need results now !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3mA7nCTlco

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ise8Mvzub4

[Hoppy]

We need results now !

Our theme tune for the project / our rally cry!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFDcoX7s6rEr

I intend to kick-off with the build below as shown in Wesley's 'lazy guys' video which suits me down to the ground (excuse the pun). I don't see that the trafo winding voltages are too critical, so I'm sure that most of us benchers can find a suitable one surplus to requirements.

[Grumage]

Good evening Hoppy.

I've just glanced at the schematic you've posted and, I hasten to add that I've not watched the video either.

Is that a connection between the earthy Neutral and a domestic water filled radiator, or a high frequency square wave?   

Let's be honest here there's going to be some leakage voltage at 50 HZ  enough to do something.

Cheers Grum.

[Hoppy]

Good evening Hoppy.

I've just glanced at the schematic you've posted and, I hasten to add that I've not watched the video either.

Is that a connection between the earthy Neutral and a domestic water filled radiator, or a high frequency square wave?   

Let's be honest here there's going to be some leakage voltage at 50 HZ  enough to do something.

Cheers Grum.

Evening Grum,

Yes, indeed and there is of course some resistance in the pipework, so a voltage potential between the two earths. The question is, what does the resonant primary winding induce into the load winding.
An interesting statement from Ruslan in Wesley's last post: "So if we do cut the wire, and than, we do connect phase than we will have device working because we share the same common ground . got it!!" Also: "Every professional knows that system works  on 220V ( Europe)." What do you make of that Grum?

[apecore]

Evening Grum,

Yes, indeed and there is of course some resistance in the pipework, so a voltage potential between the two earths. The question is, what does the resonant primary winding induce into the load winding.
An interesting statement from Ruslan in Wesley's last post: "So if we do cut the wire, and than, we do connect phase than we will have device working because we share the same common ground . got it!!" Also: "Every professional knows that system works  on 220V ( Europe)." What do you make of that Grum?

Bad translation from Wesley

[Grumage]

Evening Hoppy.

Well,  Why not just put a plug on it ?

I've just noticed the back to back series connected electrolytic capacitors, not being really well up on electronics how or what value will be seen? Would the circuit become series resonant at 50 HZ?

Perhaps another way of reducing domestic electro smog?? Marginally brightening that dimly lit space perhaps?

Cheers Grum.

[Hoppy]

Evening Hoppy.

Well,  Why not just put a plug on it ?

I've just noticed the back to back series connected electrolytic capacitors, not being really well up on electronics how or what value will be seen? Would the circuit become series resonant at 50 HZ?

Perhaps another way of reducing domestic electro smog?? Marginally brightening that dimly lit space perhaps?

Cheers Grum.

This series back-to-back connection allows the combination to work as an AC capacitor with a capacitance of 2200uF (C1 + C2) / 2 in this example. Not a very safe thing to do. However, the general idea is to create a series resonant circuit at 50Hz with the primary windings inductance, which in this example would be around 5mH.

Like the waveforms we have seen from Ruslan, it still all smells very fishy to me.

Good question about whether its an grid 'earthy neutral' or full earth connection. I'm assuming its the latter.

[ramset]

From Nicks new/old Stiffler  thread today
https://overunity.com/17249/dr-ronald-stiffler-sec-technology/msg524651/#new

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66KTJGlbKmM


  Stiffler quote
  Doing final check on the parts to be used in the loop distance test. There will be no single wire, test will be through the earth only.

[AlienGrey]

Sounds like the original tester had part of his garden or field was alkaline and the other half acidic 

How about some tests on one wire pulsed Tesla coils and or BEMF as in relay coils  ask Nelson
I'm sure he can help.

[Void]

An interesting statement from Ruslan in Wesley's last post:
"So if we do cut the wire, and than, we do connect phase than we will have device working because we share the same common ground . got it!!"
Also: "Every professional knows that system works  on 220V ( Europe)." What do you make of that Grum?

Hi Hoppy. Ruslan is saying the same thing I have already pointed out here a couple of times, i.e.,
if you disconnect the the output from the grenade where it connects to the relay, and instead connect
the hot phase wire from the mains to the same point on the relay, then you can run the device from the mains.
(This will only work if your utility breaker/fuse box on your house or apartment doesn't have a GFI on the circuit being used).
So, just because the circuit may work when connecting the hot phase wire from the mains to that point, it may work
exactly the same when connecting the output wire from the grenade to that same point on the relay, if the grenade is
producing enough power, so it doesn't necessarily at all mean that Ruslan was using a hidden phase wire.

Hello Grumage:
The circuit from Romancorp which Wesley posted is questionable to me because it connects at one end to the mains neutral wire.
You would really want to test with two separate earth ground connections which are completely independent from the mains.


Wouldn't the joke be on all of us if Ruslan is like Daniel Pomerleau, and therefore only
Ruslan can get these devices of his to work due to some special innate ability.
(Just kidding.... I don't really think that is the case for Ruslan. )

[Hoppy]

Hi Hoppy. Ruslan is saying the same thing I have already pointed out here a couple of times, i.e.,
if you disconnect the the output from the grenade where it connects to the relay, and instead connect
the hot phase wire from the mains to the same point on the relay, then you can run the device from the mains.

That's all the more fishy then IMO.

Thanks for confirming the Romancorp device connection to grid neutral.