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AlienGrey

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #315 on: August 06, 2018, 02:10:44 AM »
Curious see your position in relation to the subject of topic , but yes you have right ,you dont have proof that is fake , only a suposition . :)

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Nelson Rocha
Watch this carefully !!   Tesla coil with no charge caps or spark gap in our Ruslan device, and with the device circuit in the video NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE!!

Note in the video the device might not exactly be tuned to 1/4 wave in his example but we are just looking at the difference of using charge caps
and a spark gap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY8lGmibGVY

« Last Edit: August 06, 2018, 08:31:15 AM by AlienGrey »

TinselKoala

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #316 on: August 06, 2018, 02:28:58 AM »
Watch this carefully !!   Tesla coil with no charge caps or spark gap, and with NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY8lGmibGVY
What are you talking about? That "Tesla Coil" in that video has both a spark cap and improvised charge caps. But the builder didn't quite manage to get things right, and his coil doesn't seem to be working as a quarter-wave resonator yet.

Here's my hybrid Tesla Coil, using a similar Royer oscillator driven TV flyback transformer for the HV power supply, running on 24 VDC input, still in tuning stage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsfW6tT3cQA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIZClhoU2Xk

NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE!!

AlienGrey

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« Reply #317 on: August 06, 2018, 08:46:20 AM »
What are you talking about? That "Tesla Coil" in that video has both a spark cap and improvised charge caps. But the builder didn't quite manage to get things right, and his coil doesn't seem to be working as a quarter-wave resonator yet.

Here's my hybrid Tesla Coil, using a similar Royer oscillator driven TV flyback transformer for the HV power supply, running on 24 VDC input, still in tuning stage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsfW6tT3cQA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIZClhoU2Xk

NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE!!
Hi Mr Tinsel !  Well as I see it The Ruslan Katcher has a lot of design problems.

1 as you point out it's not 1/4 wave  2 it has no charge capacitor tuning 3 no spark gap control and 4 the wave form is a sine wave.

Tinselkoala If you would like to contribute your expert-ease into the katcher circuit redesign to make use of using a EARTH magnification from the
earths resonance similar to the Don Smith circuit  be my guest!  ;D

Hoppy

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« Reply #318 on: August 06, 2018, 10:31:45 AM »
@ Apecore,
I have been thinking about the next chapter.  ;) Maybe we should try and answer Wesley's question to us, that is: "Think about  all possible ways of earth being charged."

I'll kick it off by suggesting that we install some grounded lightning conductors in the vicinity of where we wish to experiment.  :D 

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« Reply #319 on: August 06, 2018, 01:14:42 PM »

I'll kick it off by suggesting that we install some grounded lightning conductors in the vicinity of where we wish to experiment.  :D

Good morning Hoppy.

Your post reminded me of something that a.King21 spoke about when his team went to visit Tariel Kapanadse and the " Aquarium " demonstration.

The demonstration was postponed on one occasion because of an imminent electric storm in the vicinity.

Relevant??

The real versus fake discussion will continue indefinitely until " someone " " somewhere " proves otherwise. Let the friendly " banter " continue.

Cheers Grum.

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« Reply #320 on: August 06, 2018, 02:41:26 PM »
Hi everyone,
I not gonna go in endless discussion but merely need to mention 2 pointers acquired for competent member-
1)Did anyone even bothered to know frequency of the kapanadze coil which the voltage from the multilayered output coil peaks upon applying sine-wave from function generator at the input coil.For this Air core-Peak starts from 750khz but really go up to around 1.0xxMhz
And many of you thought the air-core was efficient at 17khz....32khz.
2)Frequency acceleration can only be achieve at around 1.7..1.8Mhz depending on winding.But i am very sorry to say most of you will likely failed because this kapanadze coil only accept extremely tighttolerance like +-10khz from say 1.7xMhz else the high frequency from the output coil with 100nf capacitor with load will revert back to waveform that isn't fixed.I have not even go into the position of the pulse to apply yet.

I am using mica capacitor to generate stable frequency in Mhz which i can tune although this will not be in line with the tesla coil resonance with Antenna.The other method is to use AM ferrite rod to slowly lower frequency of the conventional tesla coil circuit until output appears to be running 8x times of input at 80khz for my case which is far from ideal and no ou."Base on previous old experiment".

Forgot to mention the L/C resonance is was at30khz with 100nf with 3layer input coil for the old version.But this winding needs to be reduced to 1layer and capacitor changed to approx 2.xxuf xxxVolts in order to achieve the similar resonance.After which frequency needs to be divided by 3 using 4017 as seen in Akula block diagram.May apply part(Front end only) of old Ruslan pll circuit using LM393N with below10resistor from the feedback coil after the 3 turn.
If my calculation are correct and to plan the accelerated frequency which was at 80khz for 10khz parametric oscillation will be raised to a higher towards 1Mhz."Electron accelerator device".

Not forgetting to mention google  translation have improved a little more since the last translation was done for me /us by former member MenofFather as typed from Akula old video on Kapanadze coil tuning with the said circuit which was freely circulated.It will be useful to have dual monitor to see the difference in translation.Please use google translation to translate attach pdf document.
I will not waste my energy to get involve in discussion unless your pointer is really applicable to this device eg:Russian forum progress or are they more lost then we are.Thanks.

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Think about it- it's getting hotter in almost every part of Europe and Asia countries.From cnn just saw that the carbon emission is the worst in 800,000 years as taken from soil samples.

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« Reply #321 on: August 06, 2018, 02:44:00 PM »
Good morning Hoppy.

Your post reminded me of something that a.King21 spoke about when his team went to visit Tariel Kapanadse and the " Aquarium " demonstration.

The demonstration was postponed on one occasion because of an imminent electric storm in the vicinity.

Relevant??

The real versus fake discussion will continue indefinitely until " someone " " somewhere " proves otherwise. Let the friendly " banter " continue.

Cheers Grum.
Afternoon Grum,
Yes, relevant indeed in my opinion if we take the view that Kapanadze's devices are genuine. I highlighted A.King21's comment way back when I suggested that Kapanadze might have been using an aeriel wire energy collector. Putting the clues together, I see a picture emerging where the ground is highly charged in an area, possibly by use of grounded lightning conductors. The potential difference between the charged ground area and the device is then used as Wesley shows in his past video for "lazy folk  ;D ": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdJ1V_yDv-c&feature=youtu.be&t=474
As I see this, a considerable potential difference is needed to supply enough earth current for transformation to a higher voltage at 50Hz resonance to run the type of loads seen in Kapanadze's videos. This would not be achievable in normal ground conditions. Couple this to the fact that Georgia is subjected to a fairly high level of electrical storms / charged atmosphere which may well provide the environmental conditions needed. Also, as you know, I have been insistent that I believe Kapanadze's bearded man was hiding a thick black cable in the coil he was holding, which could have been the second ground wire needed to support this mode of operation.


Hoppy

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« Reply #322 on: August 06, 2018, 02:51:00 PM »

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Think about it- it's getting hotter in almost every part of Europe and Asia countries.From cnn just saw that the carbon emission is the worst in 800,000 years as taken from soil samples.
Come to the UK Magpwr, its only up to around 32C here.  8)
Do you really think that Kapanadze used highly tuned and elaborate electronics for his devices?

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« Reply #323 on: August 06, 2018, 03:35:18 PM »
Come to the UK Magpwr, its only up to around 32C here.  8)
Do you really think that Kapanadze used highly tuned and elaborate electronics for his devices?
hi Hoppy,
I find it hard to believe UK is even hotter than Singapore which is usually typical 30c anytime of the year.But my country is located near the equator.
Unfortunately yes the tesla coil needs to be within +-10khz as tested else output frequency will never be higher than the input.The output will appear higher immediately once the tesla coil frequency is right.Fix frequency pulse using mica capacitor does have it's own advantages over conventional tesla coil circuit.Tesla coil voltage need not even be 10Kv to see effect around 4.5kv...6Kv is enough base on my environment humidity level of around 76%

The divide by 3 using 4017 or via CLC using microchip as shown in my old video is absolute important i have tried already up to divide by 6 but find that only divide by 3 works after (feedback coil to LM393N to single gate of 74HC14 to shape pulse to reduce slew) .
Forget resonance or tight coupling the Kapanadze coil needs to be given a chance to oscillate at it's frequency which is much higher.Either you use L/C meter then apply using online formula to obtain approx frequency at resonance which needs to be below  32khz.But i stick at around 30khz.
The old input winding we had come up sometime back which is around 2 or 3 layers is invalid since capacitor value would be below 1uf to achieve similar resonance for testing purpose before applying divide by 3.
Take note duty from output of 4017 isn't 50% duty.Which why the duty cycle of the red waveform appear wider as attached.This is the layout after 3 turns from coil to kapanadze i stick with.The NTC resistor shown in Akula circuit is a "negative temperature coefficient, which means that the resistance decreases with increasing temperature.".Start with around 4.....6 Ohms resistor will do as well base on hands on experiment.NTC or resistor needs to be connected as shown in circuit else no high frequency which will appear as nice sine-wave "I am not sure if it suppose to be this way.It's a near impossible feat if you thinking from book-if tesla coil frequency combined with parametric\random waveform at low frequency approx 10khz can create a new waveform which is of sine-wave"

But i am not following the Akula tesla coil circuit portion after the diode as circled.But this circuit of Akula will work as tested but fine tuning will be hard.Only ferrite rod tuning will be applicable.KT805A which i have purchased from ebay sometime ago works as well as a mosfet with trimmer/resistor for tesla coil circuit.I meant in terms of high voltage production from tesla coil.
I got to go.It's night i would need to exercise to burned excess energy and promote blood flow to me brains. :)
---------------------------------------------Last important note please use IGBT because it's a slow switching device and it's not sensitive to tesla coil frequency which is running in Mhz.Not forgetting the usual snubber circuit.This device have not failed me yet.Even tried expensive Silicon Carbide Mosfet twice rated up to 1.2kv even that failed.
 

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« Reply #324 on: August 06, 2018, 03:55:02 PM »
Side note:
Just heard from the organization that used to host Daniel Pomerleau's demonstrations for
the last several years, that Daniel Pomerleau died of a stroke on July 31, 2018 at the
age of 62. I was planning to try to get out and see one of his demonstrations this year,
if he held one, but the organization informed me that someone was making a documentary about him
earlier this year so they weren't sure when Daniel would be giving another demonstration, as
he was busy with the documentary people. There is a possibility that a documentary could be
released about him and what he did then, if they had time to film much before he passed away,
but it may be in French.

Daniel Pomerleau would apparently allow participants to bring their own meters/measurement equipment
to his demonstrations to make measurements on his demo setups, and you could bring in your
own electric devices such as radios or blenders or whatever, but not sure what he was able
to do with them, as I never saw one of his demonstrations. I was looking forward to attending one
of his demonstrations if I had the chance. Sad news.

Daniel Pomerleau - September 15, 1955 - July 31, 2018

Here's an old listing for one of Daniel Pomerlaeu's former demonstrations where they
were inviting technicians to bring in measurement equipment:
Free Energy With Daniel Pomerleau

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« Reply #325 on: August 06, 2018, 06:17:30 PM »
@ Apecore,
I have been thinking about the next chapter.  ;) Maybe we should try and answer Wesley's question to us, that is: "Think about  all possible ways of earth being charged."

I'll kick it off by suggesting that we install some grounded lightning conductors in the vicinity of where we wish to experiment.  :D

Well Hoppy,

Seems a good idea.
Just tell me your idea how and why, i guess you have some space in the garden like me?
Lets duplicate same dimnensions etc. So we get some data to analyse.
I have 40m x 20m avalable.

Greetings

Hoppy

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« Reply #326 on: August 06, 2018, 06:25:40 PM »
Well Hoppy,

Seems a good idea.
Just tell me your idea how and why, i guess you have some space in the garden like me?
Lets duplicate same dimnensions etc. So we get some data to analyse.
I have 40m x 20m avalable.

Greetings
I think it prudent to first get the thumbs-up from Wesley, so as to not waste time and effort. Also, I would like to get other members ideas, which might be more practical. My available garden space is smaller at around 20m x 10m.

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« Reply #327 on: August 06, 2018, 06:42:35 PM »
Ok, I'm in too!

Another interesting experiment might be to send up a single conductor using one of these " new fangled "
drone thingies, and measure the actual voltage across a capacitor between aerial and a suitable ground rod?

Not suggesting doing this in a thunderstorm, I mean, Ben Franklin was one lucky b#~[^{d to not have been " Kentucky " fried, wasn't he?  :)

I discovered that with my own simple rod experiments both direction and distance played a part in the voltage seen between them.

Cheers Grum.


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« Reply #328 on: August 06, 2018, 07:42:59 PM »

I would hope those who try to Brand persons as supporters or ??due to geography ??
would try in this house ,[see Stefan's mission statement at forum headline]


Ramset,

You are right,...
I will not mix up politics and OU again


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« Reply #329 on: August 06, 2018, 07:46:01 PM »
Ok, I'm in too!

Another interesting experiment might be to send up a single conductor using one of these " new fangled "
drone thingies, and measure the actual voltage across a capacitor between aerial and a suitable ground rod?

Not suggesting doing this in a thunderstorm, I mean, Ben Franklin was one lucky b#~[^{d to not have been " Kentucky " fried, wasn't he?  :)

I discovered that with my own simple rod experiments both direction and distance played a part in the voltage seen between them.

Cheers Grum.
Yes, personal safety is a big issue here. I would favour experimenting in an open space such as as park or farmland where a field kit could be used to data record over a given period of time. It should then be easier to standardise on distances, earth rod depths and height of atmospheric collectors. A good laptop and suitable software should then complete the kit, together with say a helium filled ballon to lift the aerial wire to a given height within the countries regulations. Oh and don't forget to get permission from the park manager / farmer.