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Offline Void

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #315 on: July 16, 2018, 01:52:46 AM »
Generating energy is easy to measure and verify and fear of stealing a secret is a poor excuse because such device would be quite complex and we all know why.

Hi PolaczekCebulaczek. I disagree that fear of the secret being stolen is a poor excuse.
For those people trying to make big money from these devices, that would of course be a big concern for them,
so they would definitely not be willing to show all details openly, if that is their motive. 

Actually, based on what we have all seen, these devices are not really very complicated, circuit wise,
so it should not be so very hard for people to figure out the general principle behind them, if a few
things were not kept hidden. However, since people do not understand the concept behind them yet,
they have been stumped so far, even though the devices are not that complicated.

Actually I think the concept has been staring people in the face for many years now, but people missed
it because they just can't understand why it would work. It seems the 'secret' may be out before
too much longer however, so I expect people will then see that it has been staring them in the face for
several years already, but people just missed a couple of things, which may not be so complicated at all.

Why it works from a physics standpoint will likely still be a mystery for quite some time to come however.
Things are not 'supposed' to work that way. This is the reason I think that many people have been
stumped so far, and many others insist it must be fake. If they think it just can't work that way, they
may well not think to try it that way. :)

So, it seems the device construction itself is not overly complicated for anyone with some knowledge of electronics,
but the explanation of why it actually works will have to be left to the propeller-head physicists to mull and argue
over, maybe for many years to come... :)


P.S.

Anyways, I do have a respect for Wesley, I found his channel/research entertaining and I do like his work on NMR and Coleman, He possesses a lot of knowledge, has a real lab ( that I can only dream of) and he even survived WTC attack lol, so lots of potential there. I do believe in "some form of" cheap or even free energy (is a black hole not a OU device?) this is driven by HOPE because mankind needs this stuff to survive and the statement "Everything that can be invented has been invented." does not convinces me, universe has much more to offer.There is no reason to be rude, every opinion on this topic is needed in order to find the truth that is out there, somewhere and its aint easy.

I think Wesley has been doing a great job in sharing information on these type of devices for many years now,
and I am convinced his motivations are good. Although Wesley has a background in science, I think that
Wesley is not formally trained in electronics or electrical engineering, so it is understandable that he may not
be able to understand all the ins and outs of the electronics of these type of devices, so I think people should cut
him some slack. He has been doing the best he can. :)



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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #316 on: July 16, 2018, 02:30:19 AM »
Dear friends the schematic was released  few minutes ago.(  now it is 4 hours ago)
However  it was told that this is not  as of yet the  actual schematic of the device.
However it is sufficient  enough  for replication
I have it all recorded with explanations .
So wait please.
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for PolaczekCebulaczek :

Electronics;
I do understand pretty well electric systems , electronic systems  and  logic systems.
That includes  vacuum tubes, transistors and TTL,  communication , resonance circuits,
I have no problem with practical work such as assembly  making PCB and soldering.
'm I good  in it?
That depends who you comparing me with. I would place myself  much higher than average  level of electronic enthusiast. but that's me.

Practical mechanics:

 Any possible technology of the past and presence  I was playing with , CNC mills lathes, sintering presses, hydraulic pumps. tool rooms, EDM, metal and plastic  forming.
very well knowledge  about machinery and  technology.


Chemistry : I was lazy but I can manage.
Biology .. forget it...I'm possibly above average  but I consider  myself  to be not good in it at all.
Physics - is my love. :)
Particle Physics (also high energy physics) is what I'm good at.
 

Wesley

 
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Offline PolaczekCebulaczek

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« Reply #317 on: July 16, 2018, 04:47:36 AM »
The paradox of OU devices, inventors want to make money out of free energy lol, that could be the problem.To patent such deivce one must convince a modern scientific  world, publish papers, go to TED, present you theory, wait for positive response and then you could get a patent? cant be done without exposing the secret? However many inventions traveled this road and their inventors get the money.

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Actually, based on what we have all seen, these devices are not really very complicated

I don't think that the secret of russian OU devices (if its real) is that simple, look ad Dally thread, those guyz are trying hard, schematics are all over the place, lots of tunning and still no cigar! weird.
Here is what I think; it seems that there is one important element missing for replicators. THE SOURCE OF ENERGY, maybe such energy only exist in russia or maybe its all fake, but how certain combinations of waves, fields, frequencies and gradate coils can "unlock" a massive energy receiving? and receiving from where? earth? (invisible energy in earth? telluric currents are weak as shit) ionosphere voltage? (how to reach that far? an "invisible" standing wave coming from device reaching 1000km up?) or power straight  from copper atom or quantum vacuum? how this super conversion works?


OK the russian claim is that resonance is responsible for energy generating or receiving in russian style devices, resonance in relation to what? normal resonance cant give you free energy, same goes for resonance inside resonance or mixing fields with waves, its all tested and examined but perhaps resonance mix is needed only to sustain the effect that can suck energy from somewhere? if so then here is what i think:

Let's assume that there is some "mysterious energy source" but this energy can only be obtained if device is in resonance with this mysterious energy source, when resonance is reached then device is starting to receive energy from the source but the energy received immediately starts to change resonance (as soon as energy in the system starts growing then the device is going out of resonance) so the device can't receive anymore, the solution for this is to build a device that can tune itself, that's why mixing stuff is necessary, capacitance and inductance mixed in various ways (fancy looking coil-capacitors and so on), now such a device should auto follow the "new and constantly changing" resonance needed frequencies (due to energy growing) and when the energy buffer is filled high enough then we could use this nice amount of energy for our load (bulbs are the easiest). After device run out of capacitance and inductance (space?)  for selftunning it will go out of resonance (at this point we sucked a practical amount of energy from source) and the process starts again, up and down ,up and down. Looking at the scope is not helpful is case of such tricky device, scope only shows "starting point" and when device is in successful operation the scope will show some BS and not real operation because frequencies are changing really fast. Ruslan had shown "the best waveform" on his scope but when you look closer you can see that his waveforms were slightly pulsing, like they had an extra rhythm on top off all (because everything is changing to fast for scope to register?). I don't know how to explain it better (language barrier) or what is a correct term for such tech, a weird resonant rise? or resonant cascade? maybe someone skilled in art could shed more light on this theory.

One may ask: "resonance in relation to what? this mysterious energy source must be electromagnetic in nature so it can exchange EM with our electronic device, where is this radiation? all EM stuff around is weak" well, maybe resonance mixing is needed only for producing some "special field, effect" and that special stuff can connect with this mysterious source of energy, non EM in nature but made from this same fabric and thus capable of taking energy from it and converting it to EM energy for the coils. Are we discovered all types of fields and forces in universe?

Probably I'm wrong but whatever.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #318 on: July 16, 2018, 05:25:46 AM »
I don't think that the secret of russian OU devices (if its real) is that simple, look ad Dally thread, those guyz are trying hard, schematics are all over the place, lots of tunning and still no cigar! weird.

Hi PolaczekCebulaczek. The problem I think may be that many people are stuck in a certain perspective
and can't easily shift to a different perspective. The device circuitry itself is not complicated. However, people seem to
have a tendency to add all kinds of complication and wild ideas on top of it all because they can't see how such
a simple setup could produce those kind of supposedly 'impossible' results. Again, the circuitry itself seems to be fairly simple.
However, explaining why it all might work the way it seems to work from a physics perspective is something that
will likely give physicists a very hard time for many years to come (assuming it really works). This is not 'supposed' to be able
to work based on current accepted theories. If it works, and I am inclined to think it really does, then it seems to me that some
'perspective adjustment' may be needed to eventually understand it. :)
Just my opinion.



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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #319 on: July 16, 2018, 06:09:43 AM »
PolaczekCebulaczek, and all

How should I enlighten on this...

dont' discard it..
Resonance plays a very important  role on energy conversion devices but is not what brings that additional
external energy into the system(s).

That  what brings that extra energy that we want to know about, where it comes from and how to use it...
 comes from our SURROUNDINGS.  How?
You will need HV IMPULSE, SHORT BURST, Continuous. simple Kacher wont do this on it's own.
Excitation of the particles.... they are in our space and everywhere.
The receiver coil must resonate with the HV impulse module ( coil ) to able to harvest that what comes
and collects 100% of the energy. Here is where Freq management is important, it will very for everyone.
its like having a radio station and try to tune your radio receiver to the transmitting signal.

Imagine A field being generated with HV and having to Collapse it abruptly right after and forcefully,
that is one way to create this condition.

This energy we could also view it electrostatic since it EMPs everything as well.
This is what charges the caps right away and fast.  Ionizing.
  by modulating that signal coming in it can be amplified with a secondary circuit.

"""LIGHTNING""", the discharge, The Ionosphere where many of the charges are flowing.. 
is our example of where this energy is coming from and it is abundant and infinite...
filling our planet and outer space is totally seeded by this.

Just need to know how to activate/excite these charges and make them usable.

Tesla coil needs to operate as HV Spike discharge device,
 imagine like a Knife wave with a sharp drop to kill the oscillations
and repeat. as exmaple. It's this collapsing field which is making this exciting condition
It can be done with any other setups as well as long as it does this.
 
Vasmus was one who did it also,  the relay helped well and his modulation circuit.
Ruslan did tell some years ago on a russian forum what it was when he was new to this,
he did say it is all about Tesla coil, the main ingredient.

So there are many others who had shown but did little or nothing on Knowledge.....

Cheerz~

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #320 on: July 16, 2018, 06:20:17 AM »
Dear friends the schematic was released  few minutes ago.(  now it is 4 hours ago)
However  it was told that this is not  as of yet the  actual schematic of the device.
However it is sufficient  enough  for replication
I have it all recorded with explanations .
So wait please.

Hi Wesley,
Will patiently wait on this :)
is it this?
https://youtu.be/UXWw7TCcS_A?t=607

Cheerz~

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« Reply #321 on: July 16, 2018, 07:36:20 AM »
Hi Geo

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Excitation of the particles.... they are in our space and everywhere

Soo the ionized air particles is the source of free energy? AFAIK atom HV ionization wont give more energy then energy spend for ionization. And if so then how and why?

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Dear friends the schematic was released  few minutes ago.(  now it is 4 hours ago)
However  it was told that this is not  as of yet the  actual schematic of the device.
However it is sufficient  enough  for replication
I have it all recorded with explanations .
So wait please.

Please not another one from real strannik...

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #322 on: July 16, 2018, 09:12:33 AM »
Not ions but electrons which are here but are "dormant till cycled" like Don Smith said. I still cannot understand how Don was able to  present so much correct information with so much mess around. You can re-watch his videos a catch some elements on schematics which he never explained but they are here. Look for example at secondary - how he showed it on actual devices and how it was represented on schematics.


It's incorrect to think that all such devices are made by people at garage. Look what happened to Barbosa & Leal... The energy source is one, quite complicated in fact with direct connection to Sun. All you have to do is connect all dots , all tips from inventors from all times...it was enough for Barbosa & Leal to make devices producing COP=100 but they made a mistake when presenting device powered from power grid.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #323 on: July 16, 2018, 12:22:35 PM »
Hi Wesley,
Will patiently wait on this :)
is it this?
https://youtu.be/UXWw7TCcS_A?t=607

Cheerz~
This is BS. Are you really placing me that low?
Why you are  trying to be smarter?
Even if you find what I'm  talking about and publish it now, do you think  you are such a smart ass?
There is a reason for that delay.

Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #324 on: July 16, 2018, 12:59:56 PM »

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #325 on: July 16, 2018, 03:43:40 PM »
Not ions but electrons which are here but are "dormant till cycled" like Don Smith said. I still cannot understand how Don was able to  present so much correct information with so much mess around. You can re-watch his videos a catch some elements on schematics which he never explained but they are here. Look for example at secondary - how he showed it on actual devices and how it was represented on schematics.


It's incorrect to think that all such devices are made by people at garage. Look what happened to Barbosa & Leal... The energy source is one, quite complicated in fact with direct connection to Sun. All you have to do is connect all dots , all tips from inventors from all times...it was enough for Barbosa & Leal to make devices producing COP=100 but they made a mistake when presenting device powered from power grid.
https://youtu.be/qdJ1V_yDv-c?t=994 .
Exactly in this moment it says in German 900%.
However you need to understand it properly.
There is no free lunch.  However we do not need to pay for that lunch in many cases.

"The coefficient of performance or COP (sometimes CP or CoP) of a heat pump, refrigerator or air conditioning system is a ratio of useful heating or cooling provided to work required.
Higher COPs equate to lower operating costs.
The COP usually exceeds 1, especially in heat pumps, because, instead of just converting work to heat (which, if 100% efficient, would be a COP_hp of 1),
It pumps additional heat from a heat source to where the heat is required."

So that is how to understand  it:
COP>1 cannot exist.
 And Yes, It is officially and scientifically  accepted -  but only for explanation

The only way  when COP>1 will be seen, is when we will be dealing with illusion.
So for example we deliver 80% of energy and the device shows 150% at the output,that means
that we are not dealing with overunity,
but  we  have 70% of additional energy acquired by means of energy conversion from source other than our own.
Electrostatic effect would mean - creation of potential difference that is attracting electrons from the ground the travel to positively charged electrode.
NMR or any other means of coupling to secondary energy source like by means of transmutation is  an example of  that what we are looking for.


"For complete systems, COP calculations should include energy consumption of all power consuming auxiliaries.
COP is highly dependent on operating conditions, especially absolute temperature and relative temperature between sink and system, and is often graphed or averaged against expected conditions.'

Wesley
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« Reply #326 on: July 16, 2018, 04:39:01 PM »
PolaczekCebulaczek

Do you believe in Stars?... there are trillions upon trillions of galaxies each filled with trillions upon trillions of stars not unlike our Sun. Our star, the Sun, radiates more energy into space in one second than all of humanity has utilized in it's entire existence. If energy is conserved where do you think all that energy went?.

Do you believe in Matter?... we know all tangible matter is in perpetual motion at the particle/field level and much of it moves near the speed of light. Thus we know all tangible matter also contains a massive quantity of energy in itself. If energy is conserved then why is matter in perpetual motion near the speed of light?.

If you believe in Stars and Matter... then you should also believe every star in the universe transmits energy into space and this energy gravitates towards matter which receives this energy. This is Nikola Tesla's wheel work of nature, it is energy from every star in the universe filling every space which induces a perpetual motion within all material things. There is no mystery here because all this information can be found in any high school textbook.

The unfortunate truth is many people are more inclined to believe in fairly tales propagated by the ignorant masses without tangible proof rather than facts. We are swimming in a sea of energy everywhere in everything and it is simply a matter of time before we will know an abundance of clean, free energy.

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« Reply #327 on: July 16, 2018, 05:59:11 PM »
Wesley, ignore the slings and arrows of those who can only criticize, yours is a noble cause and you will be celebrated.
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #328 on: July 16, 2018, 06:34:28 PM »

So that is how to understand  it:
COP>1 cannot exist.

Wesley,
Your a great guy...great scientist...

Lets formulate it different

   "Everything what not yet exists, isn't yet discovered".



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« Reply #329 on: July 16, 2018, 06:40:04 PM »
Wesley,
Your a great guy...great scientist...

Lets formulate it different

   "Everything what not yet exists, isn't yet discovered".
I do thank you for your words my friends
Wesley

 

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