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stivep

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Re: Kapanadze and other FE discussion
« Reply #3045 on: October 04, 2023, 01:14:36 PM »
Sergh thank you very much - fascinating subject.//

//I ordered it to be tried in Baltic sea .
They couldn't  conform  if there  was  "amplification"//
but I was told that  for an eye it look shockingly unexplained.
//but effect at sea is many times stronger or just look stronger many times.
I just woke up . Thank You for your response  I didn't read  yet your comments. Just got my morning coffee.
Simple explanation of the text from above:
Law of physics  says that there is no way to spend 100% and get in return 156%. But
it is easily done in the water wheel, or  driving on the slope of the hill, or wind mill, or water from the river .
That means we know exactly what force of the nature pays for our  energy for free.

So  the experiment in Trojmiasto  used in the process of disintegration of the load, energy initiated by  the spark
affecting the same way the floating base.
and if we return to video  of  Dr Jaynes
https://youtu.be/qkLGSCXOxi8?t=852
We see energy from the process  much greater than energy delivered.
In language of physics it is:
energy released in the process - energy of losses> energy delivered
So Serh  we need water in the right proportion  for the process to start.
There is something special about Baltic Sea water, or any sea water
It is  much easier  to provide experiment than regular tap water or distilled water   
Next week I'll have  sample of Black Sea water  for tests.
distilled water is not conductive and its dielectric constant is  interesting
https://www.scienceabc.com/pure-sciences/do-you-think-that-water-conducts-electricity-if-you-do-then-youre-wrong.html

The salinity of the Black Sea is about 18 ppm,
The salinity of the Azov Sea this figure is only 11
Note: Tsimlyansk hydroelectric complex on the Don, affected Azov Sea salinity.
in comparison :
The Baltic Sea is a low-salinity brackish water body 1.
The salinity varies from 0.7% to 0.9% in the surface layers, depending on the location 2 1
Of course we need to  take to consideration Salinity, temperature and stratification

Conclusion and projection:

-Black Sea  objects as well will likely always have right part of  the DUT acting as a load that would resonate.
-Black Sea  objects as well the bigger the better from  the perspective of a load( that includes internal structure
                     of wiring, dielectrics
and elements manifesting  reactive nature  of L, C, between insulators, )
-Black Sea  objects as well will always have condition of right proportion  proportional to its size
Of course we are talking about safety  of "A to B" and its practical applicability at sea. :)
Wesley

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« Reply #3046 on: October 04, 2023, 01:55:09 PM »
But I do not find in the patent from your link any connection with sources of coherent optical or radio radiation, which are called lasers or masers.
Only sound waves are mentioned there. Then it could be about a sound laser, SASER.
I did not find any real mention of the connection between the patent and the saser or somethis as sound gun etc..
Saser ,1957 ,comercial ?
( Similar, not same :
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2003/apr/03/research.science1  )

Dr.Fruengels work is partly more as today called

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanism_of_sonoluminescence
R&D to refind !
His institute and work here also mentioned :

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00048-015-0122-3


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Re: Kapanadze and other FE discussion
« Reply #3047 on: October 04, 2023, 02:04:28 PM »
Yes lancaIV sonoluminescence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The big weapon  of  a sea crab.
https://ocean.si.edu/ocean-life/invertebrates/design-beautiful-weapon
https://youtu.be/XC6I8iPiHT8?t=48
Wesley

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Re: Kapanadze and other FE discussion
« Reply #3048 on: October 04, 2023, 02:13:09 PM »
Using light pulse for electron research
Nobel Prize in Physics October 3 - 2023

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lVI-Ulf5jdI

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Re: Kapanadze and other FE discussion
« Reply #3049 on: October 05, 2023, 08:17:59 AM »
Why then does the Yutkin effect not manifest itself in the water Marx generator?
It should big vibration when working. (его должно колбасить не по детски) :D (This is an untranslatable idiom.)
or this exist? I don't know. never did one .
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Re: Kapanadze and other FE discussion
« Reply #3050 on: October 06, 2023, 04:57:23 PM »
DIY Project: Using a discharge in water to propel a rocket:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8SKce1OneE

Another videos the same autor:

https://www.youtube.com/@The141335/videos
The peculiarity is that the discharge gap in the water is initially short-circuited with a thin wire or foil. This is done because it is difficult to achieve breakdown in water at a relatively low voltage. Even at a voltage of 10 kilovolts, breakdown occurs at a distance of less than a millimeter. Dr Jaynes also talks about this problem in the video at Wesley's links. Kolbacict wrote here that he also encountered this problem. This is extremely inconvenient if you have relatively low-voltage capacitors at your disposal. Therefore, a jumper made of a thin conductor is used, which burns out and initiates an arc.
There was such a topic  “explosion of thin wires in water”, they also wrote that there was an anomalous release of energy.
I delayed my response due to lack of time.
You gained a lot as an educated responder. https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/msg582685/#msg582685
I was under impression that it is  entire team  analyzing, composing, editing your text.
Percentage wise it is not impossible but rare and uncommon  to an average fellows from Russia like ~100ppm.
If so, - Far  Eastern guys are really in fear.
If not - then  this is  the best  compliment  I could compose to you so far.
Keep it this way.
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I'll try to use appropriate format for explanation:
In regards to https://youtu.be/x8SKce1OneE?t=186
K2CO3 - used to make   explosives, fertilizers, a pH regulator.
Potassium Carbonate,  is soluble in water used in video instead of aluminum foil as a fuse.
shows much grater performance up to 43m.
So in case of Black Sea the need for a man made fuse is eliminated.( as shown in the video)
-applies to Azov Sea with some difficulty - its salinity is  only 11ppm.

Black Sea salinity is  18 ppm,- translated to conductivity must include temperature variation.
global average ocean salinity = 3.5%. (Every kilogram of seawater has approximately 35 gr.)
Surface conductivity  is here: https://earth-planets-space.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40623-017-0739-7
- important mainly  from "A  to B" stand point. Of course Brewster Angle and frequency used is not a problem.
We do not know K2CO3 proportions used in the video, but it correlates with 
mentioned gain (manifested in the form of rapid reaction) - that is much stronger than with use of aluminum foil.\ as a fuse.
- Very interesting and I may comment on it much  more .

Strong bonds /weak bonds are explained here: http://chemsite.lsrhs.net/chemkinetics/strong
Hydrogen  bond is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_bond
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Bond strength Hydrogen bonds can vary in strength from weak (1–2 kJ/mol) to strong (161.5 kJ/mol
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stronger than a van der Waals interaction, and weaker than fully covalent or ionic bonds
but its nature is electrostatic.

I'm not sure how accurate is N.Graneau investigation  but practical  experience in any case (e.g. video of  Dr Jaynes
https://youtu.be/qkLGSCXOxi8?t=852 , other videos and  articles  stands for the reality of the effect.
I'm not sure if you are questioning the magnitude of the process but that  lies strictly in the range/brackets of given application.


I'm sorry if I didn't address all of your questions and concerns.
Lack of time.  But yes all of the bad guys representing regime formed out there will not be served.
Wesley
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Re: Kapanadze and other FE discussion
« Reply #3051 on: October 07, 2023, 11:01:18 AM »
THIS IS WHAT I GET FROM THE KAPA CIRCUIT. IT WORKS ON THE PRINCIPLE OF A VENTURI AS AS PER ILLUSTRATION.
BUT THE ELECTRICAL VENTURI HAS TO BE PLACED DIRECTLY FROM THE EARTH CONDUCTOR ROD AND BE AS A PULL NOT
PUSH SITUATION. THE MIDDLE IS CONNECTED TO THE EARTH CONDUCTOR ROD THE OUTPUT TO THE LOAD DIRECTLY AND THE MAIN INPUT TO THE APPROPRIATE ELECTRICAL CIRCUIT.

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Re: Kapanadze and other FE discussion
« Reply #3052 on: October 09, 2023, 05:09:54 AM »
on the subject   discussed for the past few pages now:
Dr Janes.
https://youtu.be/qkLGSCXOxi8?t=732

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This paper reports the first experimental results in which the kinetic energy of cold fog, generated
in a water arc plasma, exceeds the electrical energy supplied to form and maintain the arc.
The cold fog explosion is produced by breaking down a small quantity of liquid water
\cambridge.org\arcliberated-chemical-energy-exceeds-electrical-input-energy\

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The 90-year history of unusually strong water arc explosions is reviewed.
Experimental observations leave little doubt that internal water energy is being liberated by the
sudden electrodynamic conversion of about one-third of the water to dense fog.

High-speed photography reveals that the fog expels itself from the water at supersonic velocities.
The loss of intermolecular bond energy in the conversion from liquid to fog must be the source of the explosion energy
\cambridge.org\arcliberated-chemical-energy-exceeds-electrical-input-energy\



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The strengths of the impulses scaled proportionally to the electrodynamic action integral.
For an arbitrarily chosen current pulse shape and magnitude,
the plasma explosion in SALTWATER is much more powerful than the action of a railgun.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0375960186901684
for comparison to rail gun used in  military:
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Rail guns could fire projectiles to intercept the incoming missiles.
Some scientists argue that rail guns could also protect Earth from rogue asteroids, by
firing high-velocity projectiles from orbit.
Upon impact, the projectiles would either destroy the incoming asteroid or change its trajectory.
\projectiles%20to%20intercept%20the,destroy
conclusion:
Energy  released "1 drop of water  in  the right proportion" is stronger (-proportionally!) than the rail gun energy (-proportionally!)

Water explosions were created by discharging a high-voltage capacitor bank through 3-8 mL of water.
The explosions’ energies were measured by using them to launch a projectile into the air and
extrapolating the explosion’s average velocity from the height to which the projectile ascended.
It was found that water explosions do in fact release energy and can have efficiencies of greater than unity;
the energy released during the explosions is likely due to the difference between the heat capacities of bulk water and fog.
These results allude to the possibility of harnessing water explosions to perform useful work.
Reference_Material/Electrolysis_Water_Arc_and_Dielectric_Breakdown

original article was  published  in journal of very much prominent organization
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institution_of_Electrical_Engineers
Article title:
THE ANOMALOUS STRENGTH OF COLD FOG EXPLOSIONS CAUSED BY HIGH CURRENT WATER ARCS
N. Graneau _Water_Arc_and_Dielectric_Breakdown/Graneau Explosions


Note:
greater than unity; means energy  delivered to the system + energy released in the process is >> than energy  delivered to the system
Analogy: energy used to open the  valve  on the water pipe where water comes from the river.

Wesley

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Re: Kapanadze and other FE discussion
« Reply #3053 on: October 09, 2023, 02:13:42 PM »
This fog is HHO or in other words : water molecule isomer which is gaseus at normal temperature, no secret except the method of conversion

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« Reply #3054 on: October 10, 2023, 09:42:19 AM »
conclusion:
Energy  released "1 drop of water  in  the right proportion" is stronger (-proportionally!) than the rail gun energy (-proportionally!)

It was found that water explosions do in fact release energy and can have efficiencies of greater than unity;

Wesley, I'm skeptical about this.

If water could explode, then during the first test atomic explosion in the ocean, the energy of all the water would turn our planet into interstellar dust.

  In your videos, people use capacitors that are too large, and they add water as a filler substance. For example, in a vacuum the discharge is not so strong due to the fact that there is nothing to evaporate and nothing to create big pressure after discharge.
High current water arcs as described in the materials.
Is absolute current important?
There is such a thing as "current density":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_density

If you take a nanoneedle, then the “High Current” on it will be from 1 ampere of the absolute value of the current.


To the entire community:

When you think about overunity, you need to imagine what the moment will look like when overunity is achieved.

What will happen? Why energy can't increase indefinitely? What is the reason why a chain reaction does not begin, involving an increasing amount of energy in the process?

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« Reply #3055 on: October 10, 2023, 10:09:14 AM »
Wesley, I'm skeptical about this.

If water could explode, then during the first test atomic explosion in the ocean, the energy of all the water would turn our planet into interstellar dust.

  In your videos, people use capacitors that are too large, and they add water as a filler substance. For example, in a vacuum the discharge is not so strong due to the fact that there is nothing to evaporate and nothing to create big pressure after discharge.

To the entire community:

When you think about overunity, you need to imagine what the moment will look like when overunity is achieved.

What will happen? Why energy can't increase indefinitely? What is the reason why a chain reaction does not begin, involving an increasing amount of energy in the process?

In Your thinking model we have to differ between (nearly) un/-limited space and un/-limited time !
For example :    http://www.spacetoday.org/Questions/StarlightAge.html

' ...Themost distant objects seen from Earth are quasars, Telescopes are required to view them. They are 10-15 billion lightyears away. Their light takes 10-15 billion years to reach Earth, so their light is 10-15 billion years old. ....'

Now far to near compression and (light) years to Femto-sec and concentrated :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_pressure
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_wave


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« Reply #3056 on: October 10, 2023, 01:45:18 PM »
' ...Themost distant objects seen from Earth are quasars, Telescopes are required to view them. They are 10-15 billion lightyears away. Their light takes 10-15 billion years to reach Earth, so their light is 10-15 billion years old. ....'
Regarding the lifetime of light, it is strange, but a photon has a zero lifetime. 10-15 billion years is zero for light:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zspu7ziA8Y

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« Reply #3057 on: October 10, 2023, 02:17:24 PM »
This opens the question for and by comparison ,remembering ' wormhole' :
https://www.britannica.com/science/wormhole

https://quantumphysicslady.org/what-is-the-difference-between-an-electron-and-a-photon/
        mass and ' anti-' mass    time and ' anti-'time ( Hasenoehrl-Einstein e= mc² /  N.Tesla e= tc² )

Photon to electron conversion
https://news.mit.edu/2013/photon-to-electron-conversion-0418
Particle

electron and anti-electron/positron

-Wave 

wave and " (pseudo)anti" !?-wave

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&sca_esv=572205757&q=anti-wave+physics+&oq=anti-wave+physics+&aqs=heirloom-srp..


-Dualism

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20180809-we-will-ever-be-able-to-freeze-time

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« Reply #3058 on: October 10, 2023, 03:41:04 PM »

I Just  woke up.
Sergh, lancaIV, Willy, forest - My response  in more accurate form may come later.
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We have:
Practical Test 
- at science level:
   with use of single process only  provided by  Dr Janes,  Dr  N.Graneau, and others
   https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/msg582770/#msg582770
   https://youtu.be/qkLGSCXOxi8?t=844 https://youtu.be/qkLGSCXOxi8?t=844 Dr Janes used only ~270V
   single impulse from capacitor.
   But: The higher is the potential The lower becomes the current when compared to
           "equal given power level." of a low voltage impulse with high current.
            That can be a millisecond impulse of 20kV, where current is many levels much lower to cause
            Dr Janes effect.**

- amateur experimenters also from  this forum:
  https://youtu.be/Dx7lm0giTDs?t=329  Tommey Red
  https://youtu.be/RnXgIHwI2_k?t=26   TinselKoala
  This is especially important  as an independent test - Tommey is not in favor with me personally.
amateur experimenters other than  from  this forum:
   https://youtu.be/x8SKce1OneE?t=186 * 47m high  flying rocket  as a result of the process.


-Practical Test   using  above process with addition of  "A to B"
- https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/msg582676/#msg582676
 
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Resonating Load  DUT disintegrated quite rapidly ,along with entire floating test base
  as result of the process involving H2O in the right proportion.

  Tests in Trojmiasto - merge  of these two independent processes was convincing.
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Summary:
At  anecdotal  level https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0i67E48OV0&t=87s
At  science level  -Practical Test  conformed  phenomena in question.
At  amateur research level -Practical Test  conformed  phenomena in question.
At  amateur-amateur level -Practical Test  conformed  phenomena in question.
In my comments  I published  just  ~1% of the data collected  by me .
Process  sequence mentioned :
"A to B"   tested ~5km.
- The link between A and B is dynamic.
  It means the resonating load at DUT B  is immediately seen
  by  DUT A.  picture : https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/dlattach/attach/192806/
was taken from explanation: https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/msg582214/#msg582214
- The quality  of A to B is quite significantly visible at DUT A :
  We can compare it with  person "A" walking
   on the road rapidly falling with  one leg into the  hole in the pavement.
  The effect  is immediately "seen"
 -  Mentioned by me  in an earlier comment was also: that DUT B acting as  receiver  needs a load .
    Note:  DUT B acting as Rx is seen at DUT A acting as Tx but  when load at DUT B is established( connected), the power drown
     from DUT A   is rapidly seen - significantly seen.

- Now the system is ready to  launch the  impulse from DUT A .
   That, if condensed, can reach a level of kW/ms  or much, much more at /us/ps/ns from a single battery
    connected to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx_generator **
    that is than connected to DUT A - similar to a radar forming signal.
    - So from that  perspective the DC impulse is not  very much recommended as we do not  want  AC with DC bias
       where  the slope of  the leading edge and falling edge may become significantly important
       and impulse would need to be send as  a modulating signal  instead of
       AC that acts as unmodulated carrier increasing only in   voltage level.
       Much more  efficient is   use of AC impulse from  a high ratio primary to secondary transformer.
   Starting from  that very point  the phenomena described by
   Dr James , Dr  N.Graneau are in  motion and a second process can be started.
    Most likely the load will not hold the power  of the impulse leading to
    rapid, often violent manifestation of its impact possibly affecting entire  DUT B

Explanation in form of analogy
- the nature of dynamic link between DUT A and DUT B:
    You are the  "DUT A" in the dark room and than you feel that someone start to hold gently your hand (-that someone is  "DUT B")
     and all of the sudden your hand  is pulled  much stronger (by that "DUT B") because the load  started to pull DUT B that is pulling you.
     That "DUT B"  is in need of resistive load or  resonating load . But  resistive load dissipates impulse energy into its resistance vs the
      reactive in nature load made from LC dissipates energy into its impedance.
     To differentiate between the two there is a need to change slightly the frequency and if wee see no change to the  load value - its nature is resistive.
    If we see the impedance of the load changing than this is a load of reactive nature. - that what is expected.
    and now look again at picture here: https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/dlattach/attach/192806/
     The only difference in distance  between A and B is that the line of sight between Yalta Crimea → and Novorossiysk, Russia is 180miles
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Practical Conclusion:
DUT  B  will always have  conditions  to satisfy load conditions when at  sea.
- eg. Black Sea region of  southwestern port of Novorossiysk in Russia, the port of Feodosia — still in Crimea, but much further east.
The larger the physical size of  the DUT B the better.
The need of aluminum fuse  is eliminated in salt water leading to ~47m of an object fly performance
as shown in   video marked with *
and statement  from comment quote  about   water plasma beavior in pink color
in the link : https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/msg582770/#msg582770
Experiment in Trojmiasto also pointed  the same .
https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/dlattach/attach/192984/
So the overall conclusion is that  water  with high  salinity leads to  much higher  performance 
of the process  involving load response.


What was not explained here:

1. Process of scanning for the load at  DUT B initiated by DUT A.
2. I didn't  describe why the resonating nature of LC parameters of the load  will likely always exist at DUT B.
3. I didn't  describe   how to differentiate between targeted DUT B and other objects at sea,  - that can
be compared to the  omnidirectional pattern  of the  vertical dipole  vs vertically polarized Yagi.
opinion expressed is my own. :)
Wesley
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« Reply #3059 on: October 10, 2023, 05:58:24 PM »
while I had reading your posts it came in my mind.If connected the third electrode to the drop of water. And apply a short, weak but high-voltage pulse to it. Then a primary breakdown from the drop to the power electrodes would occur. As happens with natural lightning, a primary leader takes place. Then we won't need an easily burned jumper.  :P