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stivep

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Re: Kapanadze and other FE discussion
« Reply #3015 on: September 20, 2023, 09:37:34 PM »
Thank you Serch. I didn't read entire text yet but here is a comment  of Tesla
describing  energy conversion of lightning.
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Tesla: THE THREE WAYS OF INCREASING HUMAN ENERGY
FIG. 1. BURNING THE NITROGEN OF THE ATMOSPHERE.
Note to Fig. 1.—This result is produced by the discharge of an electrical oscillator giving twelve million volts.
The electrical pressure, alternating one hundred thousand times per second, excites the normally inert
nitrogen, causing it to combine with the oxygen.
The flame-like discharge shown in the photograph measures sixty-five feet across.
I do thank you  for the link.
https://teslaresearch.jimdofree.com/articles-interviews/the-problem-of-increasing-human-energy-

This glorified  Tesla  had little  knowledge about lightning and  chemical reaction of components of  atmosphere.
His observation led to many mistakes  not supported proven and explained. Known to us modern science was not there yet.
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burning, exploding, or decomposing nitrogen compounds to form nitrogen gas releases large amounts of often useful energy
Nitrogen is not flammable and not explosive 78% of atmosphere But.. can "become"/assist the quite "explosive" and "burning", under
very special conditions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen

Tesla's intuition  was genial :
Thunder Storms : 
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Tesla:
FIG. 1. BURNING THE NITROGEN OF THE ATMOSPHERE.
Note to Fig. 1.—This result is produced by the discharge of an electrical oscillator giving twelve million volts.
The electrical pressure, alternating one hundred thousand times per second, excites the
normally inert nitrogen, causing it to combine with the oxygen. The flame-like discharge shown in the photograph measures sixty-five feet across.
science based explanation:
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Under very special conditions, nitrogen can be consumed as if it was supporting the
combustion of other substances.For instance, it can combine with certain unusually reactive metals
not ordinarily found in nature in elemental form, such as magnesium.
-it isn't nitrogen that burns, but magnesium. Nitrogen supports the combustion.
Magnesium isn't found in nature because it much more readily reacts with oxygen.
Thunder Storms
https://sciencing.com/nitrogen-combustible-5397514.html

One of the special circumstances in which nitrogen can be combusted occurs during a thunderstorm.
Lightning causes some nitrogen to react with oxygen to form nitric oxide
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Tesla:
discharge escaping on the top of the ball) one hundred and fifty thousand times per second
he was using 150kHz   
In conjunction with phenomena   named by Tesla Rotating brush:
here: https://youtu.be/GeF2BB8gtbI?t=251
experiment was repeated by known from many false explanations author "appearing" close to the crew of Eric Dollard.
-e.g. he claims existence of longitudinal electromagnetic wave
more educated explanation is here:
https://youtu.be/GbMAvn7nRWo?t=62
Wesley

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Re: Kapanadze and other FE discussion
« Reply #3016 on: September 21, 2023, 12:29:09 AM »
Less related but unique in  its value:
teslaresearch increasing-human-energy-with-special-reference-to-the-harnessing-of-the-sun-s-energy-magazine-june-1900/

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Tesla: circuit energized by the oscillator from the distance .
prediction of discovery of remote control.
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Tesla: an electrical wave is reflected, and the same evidence which is afforded by an echo
prediction of discovery of radar.
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Tesla: we may determine the relative position or course of a moving object, such as a vessel at sea, the distance traversed by the same, or its speed;
prediction of discovery of geolocation, triangulation- positioning
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// Tesla: use the earth as a conductor, // the earth may be looked upon as an immense
reservoir of electricity, which, I thought, could be disturbed effectively by a properly designed electrical machine.//
The progress // was  very slow//  I finally succeeded in perfecting a novel kind of transformer
//not only to transmit amounts of electrical energy for operating delicate electrical devices,//
The result obtained was all the more remarkable as the top end of the coil was not connected
to a wire or plate for magnifying the effect.
Discovery of Tesla coil
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1891 //  Tesla: my apparatus was barely capable of lighting one lamp (which result was considered wonderful), \
I state that I have now no difficulty in lighting in this manner four or five hundred lamps, and could light many more.
In fact, there is no limit to the amount of energy which may in this way be supplied to operate any kind of electrical device.
- Tesla's misassumption , -however  leading to our Energy transfer. 
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Tesla: Professor Dewar's beautiful experiments with liquid air, which show that germs of organic life are not destroyed by
cold, no matter how intense; consequently they may be transmitted through the interstellar space
Based on  existent science  - Tesla predicting that life could come from   space  into Earth  e.g germs, microbes -frozen in ice from space
some scientific  literature in this area: https://www.livescience.com/61515-astrovirology-viruses-at-large.html
Panspermia#:~:text=Some%20microbes%interplanetary
Mentioned  by Tesla researcher : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Dewar
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rhythm? All life-manifestation, \\ is only a movement, to which the same general laws of movement which govern throughout the physical universe must be applicable.
Tesla was raised as an Orthodox Christian. Later in his life, he did not consider himself to be a "believer in the orthodox sense" and opposed religious fanaticism.
Tesla - Atheist
./Nikola_Tesla My respect.


My own prediction/ expectations:

Not far from today country leaded by officially recognized Far Eastern European terrorists, will collapse again
disintegrating into much smaller pieces than in 1990.
Civilized world including Americans will no longer fear to provide scientific tests in their perfect salt water areas there, 
I'm interested  in area of
fourth-largest lake in the world Aral Sea .
This area  survived naturally hundreds of millions of years only
to be totally destroyed by these particular
savages between 1960 and 2007=47 years
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_Sea

opinion expressed is my own.
Wesley

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Re: Kapanadze and other FE discussion
« Reply #3017 on: September 21, 2023, 10:55:38 AM »
especially if the form of  high energy impulse energy transfer from A to B. into a resonating load.
What are you mean, is a resonating load ? How should it look like ?

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Re: Kapanadze and other FE discussion
« Reply #3018 on: September 21, 2023, 12:39:16 PM »
Antenna acts  as a resonating load, to the signal source using  properly matched transmission line .
The same applies to any configuration containing  any load and any signal source with respect to medium or means carrying out
the signal.
Little mix-up:
-Newton's First Law of Motion states that an object in motion tends to stay in motion unless an external force acts upon it.
-Photon energy is the energy carried by a single photon. The amount of energy is directly proportional to the photon's electromagnetic frequency
 The higher is the frequency the more energy is there (- more energetic is photon..)
 Practically we do not care about it till frequency is lower than harmful to us ultraviolet.
-Photon cannot lose all of its energy till it does.
 And it does  due to e.g. universe expansion or  interaction with matter e.g. load.
-Resonating load  allows us to make energy of photon benefiting our application.

Wesley

kolbacict

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Re: Kapanadze and other FE discussion
« Reply #3019 on: September 21, 2023, 01:12:56 PM »
I mean in case use it as weapon. What and where there must blow up?

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« Reply #3020 on: September 21, 2023, 05:29:50 PM »
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Re: Kapanadze and other FE discussion
« Reply #3021 on: September 22, 2023, 02:07:42 PM »
Satisfying Interface  requirement:

Yet another perfect test  site Bonneville salt flats
it is located  in Utah USA
12 miles (19 km) long and 5 miles (8 km) wide, with a crust almost 5 ft (1.5m) thick at the center and less than one inch (2.5 cm) towards the edges.
It is estimated to hold 147 million tons of salt, approximately 90% of which is common table salt2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonneville_Salt_Flats
https://www.rideapart.com/news/253776/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-bonneville-salt-flats/

For uneducated  in  the particular field
spectators :
- Looking for cheap entertainment
https://youtu.be/Pn36LVoAu3Q?t=10 watch this one only 2 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b55p0Iz9K-o
https://youtu.be/YzHpZQ36BWg?t=48 - for us important in this  video is that car got stuck ( amount of vapor/water vs conductivity)
but the most amazing in this video is  this salt water   canal https://youtu.be/YzHpZQ36BWg?t=72
Wow....
Experimenter apparatus  doesn't have to be  in that water but next  to it  at any time of the  year.
In the same video we see that person walking  on that salt  is sinking about 20cm. Simply great.
What a dream for an experimenter.

Conductivity:
Conductivity of Solutions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WillWjxRWw
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We look at the electrical conductivity of several solutions. \
Substances include tap water, distilled water, sodium chloride, hydrochloric acid, sodium hydroxide, sugar, vinegar, ethanol, and barium sulfate.
The solutions are mixed to approximately the same ratios.
The tester is a pair of stripped copper wires at line voltage in series with a 25W incandescent bulb.
The probe is rinsed in distilled water between each test.
Dry salt is not conductive because it is made of ionic compounds that have ions that are not free to move  link: 1 and 2

Three factors makes this site usable for us:
-Humidity
-Ground water 
-Winter time.
https://pubs.usgs.gov/pp/1585/report.pdf


General rule:
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If the rel. humidity is lower than 75%, the solution evaporates and the salt crystallizes.If the rel. humidity is higher than 75%, the solution absorbs the air moisture and the salt is dissolving.
https://chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/112911/scientific-reason-for-salt-solution-gaining-volume
How to know if the site is usable due to salt conductivity:
Relative Humidity vs Dewpoint https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiejHVHrdOo

Usability of the site :
That makes Bonneville salt flats  usable for us almost entire  year.
My partner in science once said:
1 day of testing in the right condition  can make an experimenter a billionaire at no time- (at no time-idiom)
Wesley
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Re: Kapanadze and other FE discussion
« Reply #3022 on: September 22, 2023, 06:37:22 PM »
for these who  decide to  provide tests in mid November
https://youtu.be/-OxpLkYTByU?t=42
Wesley
« Last Edit: September 23, 2023, 02:12:37 AM by stivep »

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« Reply #3024 on: September 26, 2023, 12:52:15 PM »
But let's go back to Nikola Tesla.
The wireless transmission of energy over a distance of 26 miles to illuminate 200 incandescent lamps is presented everywhere as a historical fact. But what was it really?
In today's serious understanding, such wireless transmission of significant power looks very doubtful. Using this technique, transmission is possible over relatively short distances, a few tens or hundreds of feet maximum, with an efficiency of 0.5 - 0.6.

So what was Tesla's story about?

The only report of long-distance transmission by Tesla is a claim that in 1899 he wirelessly lit 200 light bulbs at a distance of 26 miles (42 km). There is no independent confirmation of this demonstration; Tesla did not mention it, and it does not appear in his laboratory notes. It originated in 1944 from Tesla’s first biographer, John J. O’Neill, who said he pieced it together from “fragmentary material in a number of publications”

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It was Tesla's intention to make the development of his discoveries a one - man job. He was completely confident , at this time , of his ability to live a century and a quarter , and to be actively engaged in creative experimental work up to at least his one - hundredth birthday , at which time he would give serious thought to the task of writing his biography and a complete record of his experimental work . Up to almost his eightieth year he adhered to this plan without doubt as to its ultimate consummation.

As a result of this most unfortunate design, technical details are lacking concerning the principal discoveries made at Colorado Springs. By piecing together the fragmentary material published in a number of publications, however, it appears evident, that Tesla, in addition to experiments with his gigantic current movements, as a means of establishing world - wide broadcasts and making a number of detectors for such use, tested his power transmission system at a distance of 26 miles from his laboratory and was able to light 200 incandescent lamps, of the Edison type, with electrical energy extracted from the earth while his oscillator was operating. These lamps consumed about fifty watts each, and if two hundred were used in the test bank, the energy consumed would be 10,000 watts, or approximately thirteen horsepower .
Transmission of thirteen horsepower wirelessly through the earth for a distance of twenty - six miles can be accepted as a very adequate demonstration of the practicability of Tesla's plan. He claimed an efficiency of higher than 95 per cent for this method of energy transmission ; so he could , undoubtedly , with a 300 horsepower oscillator , operate more than a dozen such test demonstrations simultaneously anywhere on the globe . With respect to the latter point he stated, “In this new system it matters little — in fact, almost nothing — whether the transmission is effected at a distance of a few miles, or of a few thousand miles.”
"While I have not as yet,” he stated in the Century article of June , 1900 , " actually effected a transmission of a considerable amount of energy, such as would be of industrial importance , to a great distance by this new method, I have operated several model plants under exactly the same conditions which will exist in a large plant of this kind, and the practicability of the system is thoroughly demonstrated."
Tesla was insistent, in his latter decades, on the existence, the actuality, the importance and availability of many undisclosed discoveries which he made at Colorado Springs. The author urged upon Tesla two or three times the desirability of making a disclosure, against the ever present danger of an accident that might cause them to be lost to the world; and when the inventor was unimpressed by this possibility, he was asked to permit the author to do something that would bring about their practical development. Tesla was courteously appreciative of the interest manifested, but he was very emphatic in his insistence that he would handle his own affairs as he saw fit, and that he expected shortly to have adequate funds to develop his inventions.

TESLA returned to New York, in the fall of 1899, broke once more, but with the knowledge that his efforts had greatly enriched humanity with important scientific discoveries.

O'Neill, John J. (1944). Prodigal Genius: The life of Nikola Tesla. Ives Washburn, Inc. p. 193.


But how could this work? What if it was not a wireless transmission of energy, but a wireless transmission of a signal to turn on the lamps?
Around the same time, Tesla was working on remote control.

"Telautomatics"

"Teleforce"

Patent US685958A "Method of utilizing radiant energy"


Fig. 1 Handwriting: "Electric stepping motor energized by corpuscular energy from Sun"

Isn't this the same motor that Wikipedia mentions about 26 miles, 200 lamps and 1 motor?

US685957A Apparatus for the utilization of radiant energy.

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The second terminal or armature of the condenser may be connected to one of the poles of a battery or other source of electricity or to any conducting body or objectwhatever of go such properties or so conditioned that by its means electricity of the required sign will be supplied to the terminal.
...

In illustration of a particular form of apparatus which may be used in carrying out my discovery I now refer to Fig. 2. In this figure, which in the general arrangement of the elements is identical to Fig. 1, the device d is shown as composed of two very thin conducting-plates t t', placed in close proximity and very mobile, either by reason of extreme flexibility or owing to the character of their support. To improve their action, they should be inclosed in a receptacle, from which the air may be exhausted. The plates t t' are connected in series with a working circuit, including a suitable receiver, which in this case is shown as consisting of an eleetromagnet M, a movable armature a, a retractile spring b, and a ratchet-wheel w, provided with a spring-pawl r, which is pivoted to armature a, as illustrated. When the radiations of the Sun or other radiant source fall upon plate P, a current flows into the condenser, as above explained, until the potential therein rises sufficiently to attract and bring into contact the two plates t t', and thereby close the circuit connected to the two condenser-terminals. This permits a flow of current which energizes the magnet M, causing it to draw down the armature a and impart a partial rotation to the ratchet-wheel w. As the current ceases the armature is retracted by the spring b, without, however, moving the wheel w. With the stoppage of the current the plates t t' cease to be attracted and separate, thus restoring the circuit to its original condition.
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Re: Kapanadze and other FE discussion
« Reply #3025 on: September 26, 2023, 11:45:39 PM »
The answer is provided in maximum condensed  form as most of this
forum readers doesn't like to read if they feel like intimidated by level of technicality.
But let's go back to Nikola Tesla.
The wireless transmission of energy over a distance of 26 miles to illuminate 200 incandescent lamps is presented everywhere as a historical fact.
  I responded to it already but in short  form:

Line of sight:
Radio wave  propagates in straight line.
If antenna of TX( transmitter) is 1m long and Rx (receiver) is 1m long the radio horizon is 4.12 km
https://www.everythingrf.com/rf-calculators/line-of-sight-calculator

From that point  Radio wave  doesn't fallow earth curvature. - The wave  can't be received by 1m high Rx antenna
in line of sight https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_sight
However depends from its frequency Radio waves can follow the curvature of the Earth beyond the visible horizon if they are
deflected in a number of ways as they move through the troposphere, such as reflection, refraction, or diffraction by air molecules

The Tesla experiment distance was stated 41.84km= 26 miles.
For signal to be able to be received both Tx and Rx. antennas must be at elevated to 100m=300ft.  (in "line of sight")

The frequency of the signal:
- was 20kHz( we do not know we just assume) or typical to this time 100kHz.
If Tesla used  frequency range  3–30 kHz known as Ground wave https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_wave than:
VLF radio waves can diffract around large obstacles and so are not blocked by mountain ranges, and can propagate as ground waves
following the curvature of the Earth and so are not limited by the horizon.
If Tesla used 100kHz or more than it doesn't  (in "line of sight")

Inverse square law for  radio wave:
Radio waves lose intensity as they travel outward from their source, obeying the inverse-square law,
which states that intensity is inversely proportional to the square of the distance from a source1 2
Tesla would lose  over the distance 41.84km 28.77960095 db =-99.86% of power.  if his antenna gain was 1
https://www.everythingrf.com/rf-calculators/free-space-path-loss-calculator
https://lasercalculator.com/db-percent-converter/   (even if EM wave was directionally concentrated  like laser.)
Note: some error in calculation is  possible but not much - as we are using  calculator db to percentage made for lasers( -that is also EM wave)

But how could this work? What if it was not a wireless transmission of energy, but a wireless transmission of a signal to turn on the lamps?
Your statement is confusing. Signal is energy (has energy) and yes it could act as  remote control activating relay of Rx.

Conclusions:
If  Tesla unknowingly used  A to B  energy transfer promoted by Dr James Corum that originated as
surface wave or Sommerfeld-Zenneck surface wave in ~  1908 than everything is  easily explainable.
1. The  lower is the frequency the lower are the losses till they become marginal
2. Inverse square  law doesn't apply to waveguides.
Note: more   accurate  explanation was provided  many times by me.

Wesley.
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« Reply #3026 on: September 27, 2023, 10:07:11 AM »
1. The antenna that Tesla used in 1900 in Colorado Springs was not directional. This can be seen from the old original photos. Just a vertically raised conductor with a sphere on top. In this way, energy could be radiated in all directions.

2. Okay, energy is radiated across the surface of the Earth. But what of this? The energy density per 1 meter circle with a radius of 26 miles from the transmitter antenna will also decrease, but in proportion to the distance (not the square of the distance).
I have no idea how to accurately calculate the power at the Tesla receiving antenna.
But since no one has been able to use powerful low-frequency signals for submarines to generate electricity, this will be impossible.

 Conventional calculations for normal antennas are not suitable, since Tesla coils do not meet the prerequisites of these calculations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aperture_(antenna)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friis_transmission_equation

3. Theme of resonance with the Earth.
Yes, of course, if Tesla used the resonance of the planet Earth, then it would be necessary to count differently, as 2 connected circuits.
But his settings seem to be at much higher frequencies.
Resonance is strong only at the main frequency. At multiple frequencies it is no longer so strong. Especially when the multiple frequency is very far from the main one.
  And with the resonance of the Earth, everything is not so good. The Schumann resonance is constantly fueled by lightning, but there are no electrical storms on our planet, like on the planet Pandora from the movie "Avatar". And even to simply detect the presence of the Schumann resonance, you need very sensitive equipment with excellent input filters. Otherwise, the device input will be overloaded with an industrial frequency of 50 -60 Hz.
And even when the Schumann resonance is recorded, the sinusoid looks very bad, with phase breaks.
It follows from this that the quality of planet Earth as an electrical resonator is very poor. Big losses due to bad surface conductivity and non-ideal dielectric properties of the atmosphere.

4. Waveguide is a closed space with high electrical efficiency of all its elements. Okay, if you find a channel with very salty water in the salt lake, it can probably somehow be used as a waveguide for some specific range of frequencies that do not attenuate much due to conducted losses.
But what does this salt water channel have to do with what Tesla was doing in Colorado Springs in the 1900s?
 
I do not find salt lakes here:

https://earth.google.com/web/search/Nikola+Tesla+Colorado+Springs

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« Reply #3027 on: September 27, 2023, 11:23:18 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv-izKj6Ltc
Is this true? :)
besides that how does he fat !  ;D

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« Reply #3028 on: September 27, 2023, 01:56:45 PM »
the Schumann resonance// Big losses due to bad surface conductivity and
non-ideal dielectric properties of the atmosphere.

4. Waveguide is a closed space with high electrical efficiency of all its elements.
Okay, if you find a channel with very salty water in the salt lake, it can probably somehow
be used as a waveguide for some specific range of frequencies that do not attenuate much
due to conducted losses.
But what does this salt water channel have to do with what Tesla was doing in Colorado Springs
in the 1900s?
I do not find salt lakes here:
https://earth.google.com/web/search/Nikola+Tesla+Colorado+Springs
Answer in condensed form:
Every possible speculation, fantasy, or imagination product is always the effect of  its author  technical and/or scientific level based on desired application.
Scientist uses "the known" as a base to form structure having carefully added "the unknown"
Your structure Sergh  differs to much from mine. I'm too conservative for that.
 
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The goal:
find the answer: "how", "why", and "what  for".
"why"          - the answer is curiosity and gain
"what for"    - the answer is  fame and money
"how"          - the answer and provided by me explanation is still not  causing you to  do what I did.
Result:
for me it works  it  was checked, tested and I have working model.
 for  you it  was not checked, not tested and You do not have working model.
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Explanation  of some   elements:

Flat 2D waveguide needs  two elements  the conductor and dielectric.
Salt  has much better conductivity than  earth.
Air  is  everywhere  ~the same.
Result:
more perfect car  drives easier.
more perfect  waveguide allows easier faster learning , needed than to understand  another yet
process of Energy extraction from Schuman waveguide.(=FE)
-No need for  good grounding
-salt  quiet surface is  perfect for seeing the  results instead of hunting for the results.
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Summary:
If  Dr Zenneck  was conducting his (New York State ) 1936 Seneca lake experiment  in
in Utah Salt Lake City  than Dr Borrow  ( in 1936 he was  powerful official) would never be able to
shut down this  branch of science  till in 1952  Dr Goubau presented G line and  in 2007 Dr Corum
made his  provisional patent  reintroducing   waveguide called 2 D interface .
Tesla had no idea about Interface ( he should of build his tower in Salt Lake  City instead)
Dr Zenneck , Dr Goubau and Dr Corum didn't think about Salt water too.
I did.


opinion  expressed is my own

Wesley
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« Reply #3029 on: September 29, 2023, 11:16:44 AM »

Tesla had no idea about Interface

Wesley
You think so that Tesla had no idea about the interface, because Tesla did not tell anyone anything about his real devices.
In one of my previous posts there was a link to a book about Tesla, page 193.

O'Neill, John J. (1944). Prodigal Genius: The life of Nikola Tesla. Ives Washburn, Inc. p. 193.

Wesley, did you read the next page, p. 194?

If you are sure that you are right, then do something. Not for me, for yourself.