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lancaIV

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Re: Kapanadze and other FE discussion
« Reply #2985 on: September 12, 2023, 01:40:12 PM »
It is impossible !
It is not impossible ! = It is possible !
' directly/indirectly '

https://www.wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/mobile/2013/09/06/can-one-bit-of-light-bounce-off-another-bit-of-light/
In Physics the base is the ' normal case ',often related Macro-World-actio/reactio Time and Space related, with a short advice to ' singularly case'-s,Quantum Mechanics Physics world,where 'dimensionless thinking' get special case results  ! Conditioning !
Today we play with ' impossibilities by Nature ' through new artificial material geometry/mixture/purity ,known also as Metamaterials !
Electro-magnetic (spectrum) wave = radio (spectrum)frequency= emitter frequency + medium non-/inter-/ference

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_spectrum
https://www.google.com/search?q=radiant+energy+definition+by+n.tesla&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m
https://www.scirp.org/html/4-9801408_29663.htm
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« Reply #2986 on: September 12, 2023, 05:04:28 PM »
Part#3 -edited by me few times since its publication.(read it again)

In relation to above  comment:
 Tesla and Marconi lost in trying send energy from A to B using free space
as  inverse square law applies
 definition of free space describing limitations of electromagnetic wave /photon:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-space_path_loss
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Free-space loss increases with the square of distance between the antennas because the radio waves spread out
by the inverse square law and decreases with the square of the wavelength of the radio waves

Note:  In regards to possible use of Surface wave in form of Zenneck  wave and waveguide - Interface.
We do not know for sure about Marconi but it looks like both had in mind or could discover the Interface
however Marconi experiment  was only 5 years in Bolinas California till US Navy and US government with RCA  closed it.
Tesla Tower experienced lack of money and it was demolished  few years after its construction.

So Tesla's best experience was in Colorado Springs.
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So  Dr James Corum  experiments supported by hundreds of other independent
and not related to each other individuals, scientific publications and experiments shows that because
Inverse square law doesn't apply to waveguides. such process is real doable and working.

Strip line
commercially used is the best example  of it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stripline
We are not talking about totally  no losses in waveguide but about different  character of losses where
inverse square law  "doesn't work"
Losses in waveguides are related  to many factors but in the waveguide called:
Interface - the 2D space between
Earth and/or water acting as conductive medium and air acting as  dielectric  the losses depends  mainly from
frequency used.
The lower is the frequency the closer to none, are the losses.
That is why A to B energy transfer and/or  extraction of energy  from Schumann waveguide 7.5 Hz to 8.3 Hz.
becomes  possible and economically attractive, using exactly the same mechanism/ technique/ hardware made to test  both.
17.6kHz was tested by me and Corum brothers.
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Someone backyard  can be used for testing  but -
-The best test   areas  were  described be me here:
https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/msg582124/#msg582124

This is your the most realistic way to gain both   financially and existentially,
after the  failure of ~30 years of  ideas presented in this forum ,and  all time crooks in area of Energy for Free.

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Opinion expressed is my own and I do  not  propose or recommend or state use of  the contained text to anyone.
Text from above or any text of mine should be  understood as educational  and is not free  from errors.

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« Last Edit: September 13, 2023, 03:54:52 PM by stivep »

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Re: Kapanadze and other FE discussion
« Reply #2987 on: September 12, 2023, 06:12:23 PM »
I'm appreciating for your detail explanation ,
As far as i undrestood , the scalar waves or longitudinal waves is not his main issue in speech,
He is trying to explain the Beam forming technich which is being used nowdays in 5G mobile and Starlink stalite  , to focuse the power of transivers in optimum way .
And to do so he invitably had to talk about phase control by right timing.

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Re: Kapanadze and other FE discussion
« Reply #2988 on: September 12, 2023, 08:40:10 PM »
PART#4

I'm appreciating for your detail explanation ,
the scalar waves or longitudinal waves is not his main issue in speech,
He is trying to explain the Beam forming technich which is being used nowdays in 5G mobile and Starlink stalite  , to focuse the power of transivers in optimum way .
And to do so he invitably had to talk about phase control by right timing.
Longitudinal wave can be mechanical but not electromagnetic =  nonsense along with another nonsense - scalar waves.
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Ok you made me to look  to the end of this  video nonsense.
Loosely related Theoretical Analogy:
If we had a testimony of some idiot, we  might  think: is he   a clinical  case or just anecdotal one.
Was his education taking place at, some Rural Russia or  any other third world developing country  educational facility.
where  Master degree can be an effect of corrupted system money laundering.

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So after analyzed by me  in part #1.2.3 that gentleman  totally wrong statement about waves interaction
he continues  with more of the nonsense.

At first he talks about beam forming, presenting  battery less  drone, lightbulb without wires, etc.
All of it is taking place in NEAR FIELD!!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_and_far_field
The trick "likely" used there  is that Tx is mounted on the  ceiling of the  room   only few feet from the flying drone-for the video to look more convincing.;
so 2.-3 ft is not 30ft.


lets make some calculations:
Drone on that video( ~30" long.) has no battery and is flying at altitude of 30ft 10m.
but needs to have delivery of around let's say 9.5 W (at any time) to  fly and has antenna gain 1
Transmitter  that is 30-ft away (having the same antenna) need than to transmit 10kW of energy.
https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/tools/power-density-calculator/
 -in this calculator : power density  = 9.517W/m2  approximately enough  for the drone (antenna) size 30"

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Input 10 000W
Output Power,  9.517W/m2
Gain 1
(linear)
Distancer 30ft
and of course Yagi antenna or beam forming antenna array makes this  power requirement hundreds times smaller
e.g : directional yagi antenna having gain 27dB requires  only 500W from transmitter to deliver 12.85W  to the drone at distance of 30ft.
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So next the gentleman says that he build satellite that would use  antenna array in space powered by solar panels that would send
energy to a specific point  on the earth surface , its antenna is  looking at. ( For that he needs  geostationary orbit)And than the satellite will not see sun
its batteries will not charge when  geostationary  point and the satellite will be from the other side of the earth in the "sun line."

Quote
quote from that video transcript:
First is that in space you get about eight times more energy because you don't have day and night, you don't have clouds,
 you don't have seasons, and you don't have the atmospheric absorption
Conclusion:
So Because of inverse square law, how much energy now measured  in microwatts  you'll receive at that point on the earth after electromagnetic wave travels to the  receiver antenna?


Legal note: all  numbers and calculations are  approximate just to give reader an idea how inverse square law works,
how beam forming and  directional antenna  works.
 Opinion expressed is my own.

Wesley
« Last Edit: September 13, 2023, 12:42:03 PM by stivep »

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Re: Kapanadze and other FE discussion
« Reply #2989 on: September 13, 2023, 09:21:08 AM »
  the losses depends  mainly from
frequency used.
The lower is the frequency the closer to none, are the losses.
That is why A to B energy transfer and/or  extraction of energy  from Schumann waveguide 7.5 Hz to 8.3 Hz.
Lower frequency,lower losses.Yes indeed.
But at the same time, the energy transferred by such a low-frequency wave is also less. Am I right ?  In any way,I'd like to do it. :)

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Re: Kapanadze and other FE discussion
« Reply #2990 on: September 13, 2023, 05:25:21 PM »
Lower frequency,lower losses.Yes indeed.
But at the same time, the energy transferred by such a low-frequency wave is also less. Am I right ?  In any way, I'd like to do it. :)


What makes me  not so happy  is that  some guys from the audience including you do not read carefully what I write.
Please note that this is USA not Russia where BS is not easily  accepted by general public,. and not accepted at all by professionals.
However we are dedicated to help  educationally each other so I do every day.


In here meaning of words (- every single word) describes  details .
These details are  like the elements of carboard based Jigsaw Puzzle Wedding Ceremony.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/jigsaw-puzzle-wedding-ceremony--582160689341905530/
- wedding "your desire to  have FE" with  "your little pieces of knowledge" about a process I'm talking about.
(Both are  the non perfect  elements we are trying to make  more  perfect,) -  that is how marriage works  in human world.


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Level of complication of  FE or energy transfer A to B,
-  using Surface Wave (known as  Zenneck Wave) in form of flat waveguide (known as Interface.)

You or 4 years old boy/girl , can see immediately that something is missing (like one element  of that puzzle ).
That is the typical level  of complication ( of assembling) many things  around us.( like: the Ikea bookshelf made from pieces )

The difference between you and that 4 years old child-
To make  every single element of puzzle  for that child   you need:
- to  know (at minimum) properties of a material used.
- have (at minimum) tools to  cut it.

And for all of that you need some education- not much but  much enough = understanding.:

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I gave you specific quote  you  did not understand :
in https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/msg582196/#msg582196
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Free-space loss increases with the square of distance between the antennas because the radio waves spread out
by the inverse square law and
decreases with the square of the wavelength of the radio waves
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-space_path_loss
It is  the element  of puzzle for 4 years old  boy you need to understand as an adult.- all its properties and  application.
You may not need to know all theory  but you need to know that it  exists.
Then I said in  the same comment :
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Inverse square law doesn't apply to waveguides.
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Then I said in the same comment :
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We are not talking about totally  no losses in waveguide but about different  character of losses where
inverse square law  "doesn't work"

Conclusion:
Not going to all theory.
-electromagnetic wave at 17kHz  and wave in  frequency of visible light, or  infrared, or ultraviolet, or x-ray or gamma
   are all  electromagnetic waves and can be modulated- it means can become carriers  of  logical information 
   if we need  to use them for communication.
- electromagnetic wave by itself is having energy represented and carried on by photons (wave energy carrier,) even if it is not modulated.
- the higher is the frequency the more energy is in each single period of it. -waves/a/light-electromagnetic-spectrum
  that is  why  ultraviolet, or x-ray or gamma are dangerous to our  health
- visible light energy per period is what our organs are made to survive .
- All lower frequencies than light are considered totally safe to us.

BUT:
there  is another  factor :
-the time of exposure to a radiation with respect to described by me previously inverse square law ( distance from the source e.g. Tx)
PHOTON (THE  ELECTROMAGNERTIC WAVE CARIER)  can't  exchange energy with another wave photon (even if frequency of wave is exactly the same) in the free space.
Photon can only exchange energy  with matter - usually depositing its energy with it  in form of heat.
Example: 10kW transmitter or more , at any  frequency of electromagnetic  wave considered safe in 1~inch from your body may heat it creating  damage,
It could be even 5W in frequency of 144MHz 2m( ham radio band) if  you have inside of your  ear  headset 
connected to a hand-held, portable, two-way radio transceiver.  having  improperly  insolated shield. You  may feel heat in  your  ear.
(That headset  wire  that has a length ~1/4 y, resonates with the RubberDuck antenna of the handheld)
Microwave works similar way at usually 2.4GHz. The longer is time of exposure of it  the more food is  heated.
But you are  outside of microwave isolated by its  shield  acting like a faraday  cage. https://mdcreekmore.com/make-a-faraday-cage/
The inverse square law makes that 5W of your handheld  transceiver  totally safe  just 3mm ( 1/8") from your ear with that faulty headset wire
- or if you have 10kW transmitter(Tx) and you are  2m(6ft) from  its transmitting antenna.( if properly impedance matched)
(It means  2m(6ft) from your body, during the time of transmission(e.g. 2 minutes)


So time here is important.
The important to us frequency 17kHz or any other frequency e.g 2.4Ghz having power of 10kW with properly  impedance matched
 load( e.g. antenna  or  Tesla Tower, at the distance of 1m(3ft) can be considered safe during the certain  time.
But 1kW at even  70cm( 450MHz) is no  problem in this scenario.
We are working  usually at frequencies of HF or VLF using for tests  not more than 100W so  we can forget it.
Now the words you are waiting for:
Amount of energy per period is not important at VHF, HF, LF  or VLF . The only what counts is energy delivered
to/and the properly tuned( impedance matched) an antenna.( e.g .Tesla Coil)

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Energy (power in W) in form of electromagnetic wave , delivered to the Tesla Coil or vertical dipole 
having  counterpoise  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterpoise_(ground_system)
goes to the 2D interface (-e.g earth or water as conductive medium and  Air as  dielectric) and is received by another  such structure
(e.g exactly the same ) or any other but resonating at the same  frequency.
The amount of losses in the process becomes lower and close to  none  when frequency used becomes lower and lower.
The amount of energy  transferred depends at first from  power of the transmitter (Tx)
If we use Energy extraction instead of Energy Transfer A to B than amount of energy received by receiver (Rx)
depends from  energy available in the Interface.( our FE)
Interface is not a capacitor AND IS NOT  an energy storage  like battery.
Interface is just a  bridge between  Tx and Rx .
Interface  has reactive character
Example:
Instead of  above Interface we  picture two children holding  rope at two ends.
 - the rope is  the interface between the two children.
 - any of the children can be the Tx and another Rx.
 - If Rx starts to pull the rope, the Tx  feels the force.
Tx can allow  his energy to go to Rx till he can't  hold the rope any longer.( weak  Tx)

If Tx  doesn't have any more  energy than link is broken. No more energy.
https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/dlattach/attach/187955/image//
https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/msg569399/#msg569399


Every word in this last part is important to FE and/or A to B energy transfer experimenter.



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and/or I do  not  propose or recommend or state use of  the contained text to anyone.
Text from above or any text of mine should be  understood as educational  and "may not"  be free  from errors
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Re: Kapanadze and other FE discussion
« Reply #2991 on: September 13, 2023, 07:29:07 PM »
No,no. I understand all. When was saying that low frequency wave carried low energy,I mean only this.

- the higher is the frequency the more energy is in each single period of it. -waves/a/light-electromagnetic-spectrum
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Re: Kapanadze and other FE discussion
« Reply #2992 on: September 15, 2023, 06:39:03 PM »
Why do I need A to B power transfer when I can get enough power right from the local environment as much as I need anytime I want ?

When you have time, can you share an example of your exact setup, or can you provide an schematic than anyone anywhere can replicate?

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« Reply #2993 on: September 16, 2023, 01:57:29 AM »

Thank you for video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D93iKH1q2vs of Adrian Guska  who  was "terminated".
-explanation is here :https://youtu.be/_9foRzZEZRo

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« Reply #2994 on: September 16, 2023, 01:36:55 PM »
For some reason I remembered the system Loran.C.  Are Its waves spread by Shuman's waveguide ?
The frequency 100 Khz. Surface of the water...   Power of transmitter is very great.
If I'm living in a coast of any ocean ,can I have taken something from ? ;)
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« Reply #2995 on: September 16, 2023, 04:50:58 PM »
And by the way, can the respected public tell me if the electronic archive of the once famous magazine “Electronics” has been preserved somewhere?
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« Reply #2996 on: September 16, 2023, 05:56:45 PM »
Note:
Енергія у вигляді імпульсу високої енергії, що відправляється з точки А в точку Б, яка з «якоїсь причини» :)
резонує і діє як приймач, може стати руйнівною або навіть катастрофічною ) до структури  і\або персоналу в цій структурі, яка:
- не потребує фіксованого розташування конструкції.
-може бути на колесах (тим більше)
Я не впевнений щодо кораблів, але \"схоже\" ця інформація \"може бути\" дуже застосовною і до них.
Не виключено, що українці читають цю інформацію, і відповідні органи, пораджені там їхньою фізичною командою,
теж можуть її прочитати.
-оскільки "безпека" :) дуже важлива, :o
Tюнінг тут є важливим фактором.
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https://youtu.be/He5xQOJHlrU?t=469


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Щиро дякую за стільки запитів із проханням надати додаткову інформацію.
Є цілий розділ російською мовою,(- який я також створив.)  який пояснює процес.
https://overunity.com/18913/in-russian-ekspierimienty-po-biesprovodnoi-pieriedachie-enierghii-doska-stroitieliei/msg559436/#msg559436
більше інформації в темі, написаній англійською мовою
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg539536/#msg539536
у згаданому посиланні я пропоную простий спосіб перевірити систему різними методами.
Лінія Губау прекрасно відома.
Використання металевої фольги замість землі або води:
-легко швидко отримати необхідну практику, що дозволяє використовувати той самий досвід,
коли поверхня солоної води використовується як -"провідне середовище з втратами," а повітря як діелектрик.
Це два елементи  -хвилеводу, відомі як 2D -інтерфейс

In response to "C"
Дякуємо, що поділилися контактом .
Будь ласка, подивіться на мою пряму відповідь.
-Взагалі безкоштовно.
Ви – Yкраїнці.

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« Reply #2997 on: September 16, 2023, 08:50:30 PM »
For some reason I remembered the system Loran.C.  Are Its waves spread by Shuman's waveguide ?
The frequency 100 Khz. Surface of the water...   Power of transmitter is very great.
If I'm living in a coast of any ocean ,can I have taken something from ? ;)
History  of all  systems and Loran C: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loran-C
Operated at 180kHz, 150kHz, 95kHz and 100kHz.That is very interesting to us.
Omega system operated at frequency VLF 10.2 kHz, 13.6 kHz, 11.333... kHz
And that is even more interesting to us https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_(navigation_system)
Interesting is its antenna system:
Height of the mast   is only  helping  wave propagation  in air in long distances.
General rule is that  efficiency of the antenna was expected  to be the best at 1/4 Y ( lambda)
= Quarter wave. However  wavelength at this frequency is = 29391.41 m= 29.4km
1/4 Y=7347.85m So no antenna could be such tall.
Simple trick was to use
Quote
grounded or insulated guyed masts with umbrella antennas,,

So there is need to understand that Tesla coil is  only one of  many vertical antennas that could be used
and all of them are considered to  be
vertical dipole.
It is its verticality that is important  for us.
Tests can be done with  vertical dipole of any kind and antenna that can be 1/10000 of the wavelength too.
Loran C link is here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loran-C
Easy or incredibly  easy  explanation:
https://ir.library.louisville.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3120&context=etd

If you look at  Seneca Lake experiment of Dr James Corum you do not see Tesla Coil  there.
 https://youtu.be/He5xQOJHlrU?t=82   
 https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/dlattach/attach/173369/image//
 https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/msg536259/#msg536259
or here:
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg557082/#msg557082
These antennas were  properly impedance matched and our antenna  must be too.
Equipment helping measurement and/or  real time  impedance  matching monitoring is here:
https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/msg581355/#msg581355
But here  is shown the basic however working excellent:
https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/msg581359/#msg581359

Active monitoring  in real time   is done by
Signalcrafters 70 ( two of them are presented in that picture)
https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/msg579717/#msg579717
http://signalcrafters.com/model70.htm
Four Power ranges: 5 Watts, 15 Watts, 50 Watts and 150 Watts full scale.
has its own build in 50 Ohm  impedance  standard.

Signalcrafters 110 is a   Rolls Royce. here . It is not  that expensive (second hand) but  it helps  to have comfort of  testing a lot.
If Tesla coil is used than   adjustable mast  from  top of secondary  coil to the Top Capacitor is a must.
After  each  adjustment  impedance match must be corrected.
For these who do not have access to this  equipment  the regular
Chinese VNA Nano
helps. hash=item26af48 But VNA can't be used  in real time Transmission.

Note all  loran systems including Russian had  perfect receivers we could use  but I never played with them.
The receivers are fixed frequency. - but for some testing is OK.
4580428016871230&device=c&mktype=&googleloc=
I didn't check  what is applicability of this one  so think twice before you buy.

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« Reply #2998 on: September 17, 2023, 12:47:09 AM »

And by the way, can the respected public tell me if the electronic archive of the once famous magazine “Electronics” has been preserved somewhere?
Hi kolbacict,
See most of the Electronics magazines in pdf file format here:  https://worldradiohistory.com/Electronics%20_Master_Page.htm   
Probably this is what you are looking for?   
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« Reply #2999 on: September 17, 2023, 01:57:10 PM »
Yes very amusing, why is it upside sown, and can you translate it to English
and who is stivup, he keeps suggesting i'm a Ruskin spy, whats his problem ?
Just it was so scanned. And it was boring to turn over the page in editor.
https://worldradiohistory.com/Electronics%20_Master_Page.htm
sorry for offtop, but i loaded number 14 1977 year. And there is my natural exemplar.
It's turn out that different magazines?

Moderator Note: The totally non related  pictures have been  removed
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