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Re: Kapanadze and other FE discussion
« Reply #2970 on: September 09, 2023, 01:24:44 AM »
//why  ordinary metal waveguides coated on the inside with a layer of silver or even gold?
And is this coating polished from the inside?
Types of  waveguides. or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLrYXd1RXvs 
- we are not interested with this types, but it is good to read it  TM mode is what we want.
Earth  Ionosphere space is  a waveguide too. We are not much interested with it yet. ionosphere_waveguide
Everything that  "pipes" electromagnetic wave is a waveguide.

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What is the difference between water and metal?
  Not much difference both are conductors.( metal is better)
Salted water  is better conductor than  lake water or earth surface ( partially conductive medium).
Our waveguide called interface must use  conductive medium  like foil or  water and homogenies dielectric (air)
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Can water reflect electromagnetic waves as effectively as polished silver?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waveguide_(radio_frequency)
it depends from frequency e.g. earth and cloud reflects EM wave too especially in VLF. For us silver is not important.
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Why does a glass of water heat up in the microwave, but the metal walls of the microwave chamber do not heat up?
Why is it bad to use a porcelain plate with a metal pattern in the microwave, but a disposable aluminum foil plate is ok?
The metal walls  in the design  do not get heated because they are built as good reflectors of microwave at 2.4GHz
so is waveguide walls. You cannot microwave aluminum foil https://practicalcooks.com/can-you-microwave-aluminum-foil/
Some exemption is here: https://homezesty.com/can-you-put-aluminum-foil-in-the-microwave/
Water, fat and sugar molecules hits fast in 2.4GHz.
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Yes, probably some very long waves with low efficiency can propagate over water.
But I assume that this is only interesting for study as a natural phenomenon.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_wave
  Commercial applications uses this technique. That is  where the big money is.
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Re: Kapanadze and other FE discussion
« Reply #2971 on: September 09, 2023, 01:51:39 PM »
Perfect  test site for A to B energy transfer, Also FE. energy extraction from Schumann waveguide.
- but it can  be also regular lake.

Area #1:
Officially named by Senate of USA area:  nytimes.resolution-sponsor-of-terrorism.html
Officially named by European Parliament: eu-parliament-declares-russia-state-sponsor-of-terrorism

Salt containing Lakes:
Baskunchak – a unique salt lake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBqgZZUS8kc
Boiling lake Озеро Кипящее - Кунашир - Kuril  Islands Курильские острова https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCOsXh_ctqI&t=2s
Some more is here: https://www.rbth.com/travel/333486-multicolored-russian-lakes
Caspian Sea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caspian_Sea   https://youtu.be/NiN_mEAY2Ps?t=43
Aral Sea  4th largest  lake in the world  destroyed by some terrorists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp0Sxn42TGs
But leftover small water is absolutely perfect for testing as one of the most salted waters in the  world.
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conditions:

salt water , quiet surface serves as conductive medium
air serves as dielectric
That makes perfect  flat 2D waveguide   to trap electromagnetic energy.
For these more advanced in art, it is  perfect  area for the energy extraction  technique learning .
This area from the perspective of highly civilized  world, is now relatively safe from mentioned banditism,
as long as you do not  bring attention into your testing there.
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How much  is worth successful test:

-anywhere from few millions to few billions dollars depends from experimenter  willingness to share  data.
 The downside if  testing for profit is that most of A to B is already patented, unless you deliver something
  uniquely new but essential. However your  practical setup is priceless to a buyer. e,g. Tariel Kapanadze 

How big is cost of  the test:
- if it was in USA material cost around $50  plus cost of measuring equipment
  for these  who do not need  drive far to the test site .
  If the test is not using water but earth as a partially conductive medium - the large backyard
   or agricultural field is sufficient enough.
   Beach wet with salt water may be also good.( I didn't test this  option yet)

What is included in the test if tested is A to B energy transfer
1. field the best if it is 1 mile /1km but ~70ft is also not that bad.( depends from frequency used)
2. two tesla towers with adjustable top capacitor. or just two vertical J-pole or dipole antennas with adjustable ball top capacitor.
3. generator from 1W to as much as you can find with regulated power and frequency level.
     ( Ham radio to repeat Dr James Corum Seneca Lake experiment  using 1.8MHz is OK) here:
      https://youtu.be/He5xQOJHlrU?t=82
     https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/dlattach/attach/173369/image//
     https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/msg536259/#msg536259
    or here: https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg557079/#msg557079
    or here: https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/225/
4. receiver.( Ham radio transceiver is OK) later can be changed to a load e.g. 50 ohm or even lightbulb.


Wesley
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Re: Kapanadze and other FE discussion
« Reply #2973 on: September 10, 2023, 12:25:33 PM »
Here we have an interesting phenomena regarding 'energy extraction from Schumann Wave guide', so how did 'N Tesla' drag this huge amount of power from the sky down to earth in order to power his Pierce Arrow convertible and also being aware there were no Lithium ion Batteries around In the early 1900, Can you explain this Dr ?

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Re: Kapanadze and other FE discussion
« Reply #2974 on: September 10, 2023, 02:34:48 PM »
PART1 of an answer:
//phenomena regarding 'energy extraction from Schumann Wave guide', so how did 'N Tesla'
drag this huge amount of power from the sky down to earth in order to power his Pierce Arrow convertible /
DaveW
Researcher determines if there is a relationship between two or more variables and doesn't expect
to respond to a question formulated by a music or poetry fan not familiar at all, with subject he/she is  questioning.
Observations and conducted background eliminates need to examine and correct the very basics
serving as an "alphabet" in  physics used for that examination.
An analphabet in physics can be very valuable member of  society in other areas too.
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With all due respect to you DaveW : 
1. Tesla talking to JP Morgan got an opportunity to build Tesla Tower and blow it in
    1896 talking to him again.
2. Tesla talking to Westinghouse got an opportunity to perform and survive and blow
    it, by giving  back his shares.(- percentage) when Westinghouse was in trouble.
     (In 1888, he sold his patents to industrialist George Westinghouse, whose Westinghouse Electric Company
      had quickly become an Edison competitor.)


But  that action had nothing to do, with knowing a method of energy transfer-
At that time the Tesla Tower concept was Tesla's big failure creating disappointed investors .
Tesla Tower was just an air transformer and not so good aerial antenna.
It was a time when (Newton's 1686),Inverse Square Law was not yet applied to
electromagnetism in its infantry in 1900ts.- It could eliminate method using air as too lossy
and good only for short distance radio communication (using e.g. omnidirectional dipole )
as role of a diode (later used as a detector) made by German physicist Ferdinand Braun in 1874
was not quite understood and applied yet in ~1900.

Tesla and Marconi:

If we assume that Tesla tried to apply surface wave to send  energy from A to B
it would make Tesla's Tower compared to Marconi's Bolinas California plant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marconi-RCA_Bolinas_Transmitting_Station
But both in 1900ts had no idea about Waveguides Lord Reyliegh 1897, inverse square law limitations, Schumann waveguide & resonances (1952).

So both tried to send energy from A to B being just pioneers  exposed to their own total failure of understanding 
todays physics about  flat 2D waveguide made of a conductive medium (e.g. earth or water) and dielectric medium(e.g. air)
https://youtu.be/He5xQOJHlrU?t=82 year 1933, 1936, 2007, 2013.
In easy analogy I would express it this way:
Having big name you got opportunities,  but  you  are not free from mistakes. So was Tesla and Marconi too.
Example:
Trump thanks to his money got contacts and opportunity to become USA President who
is now in criminal court for using opportunity to  use "public" - in created by him "flame".

 
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« Reply #2975 on: September 10, 2023, 03:14:56 PM »
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauss%27s_law_for_gravity
The form of Gauss's law for gravity is mathematically similar to Gauss's law for electrostatics,
one of Maxwell's equations. Gauss's law for gravity has the same mathematical relation to Newton's
law that Gauss's law for electrostatics bears to Coulomb's law
This is because both Newton's law and Coulomb's law describe inverse-square interaction in a 3-dimensional space.

Newton,Gauss and Maxwell their scientifical work was done  before N.Tesla and Marconi
their concepts developped and its inverse/square law relationship !
wmbr
OCWL
p.s.: there is an other way to discourage inventors and investors ,f.e.:
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=13&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20220113&CC=US&NR=2022014080A1&KC=A1#
Applied : 2009   Avaliation and grant-phase process phase : 2022,only U.S.
WO and EP : 2012 !
https://register.epo.org/application?number=EP10825539&tab=main
The application is deemed to be withdrawn
Slow industrial property deflation by patent offices work 'speed' !
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« Reply #2976 on: September 10, 2023, 03:44:04 PM »
#3010 :
how has/have ( social class language depending) we to construct a ' dielectric sender/receiver/converter'-system ?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dielectric
Are N.Tesla used vacuum tubes similar to see like T.T.Brown his ' gravitator'-discs,GB motor application ?
Condenser stator/condenser rotor movement concept,by Tesla and Plauson !

My work related these technologies and formation from the portuguese technician ( with engineer skills)let him develop this two 2009 application concepts (1.,2. ) :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Envez&IN=&CPC=&IC=
It surprised me, he was  in technical  progression more steps in front than thought !

As in 2. explained(portuguese)also in 3.-  translated  :
The technical domain of this system is located in the current electromagnetic spectrum,
however it differs due to the fact that the coils do not have a standardized behavior in relation to consumption,
as they do not have internal resistance, which raises several questions of a theoretical nature:
according to the law of Ohm R=V/I. With R=O and having a voltage V applied to the coil,
we face a first theoretical difficulty in solving this equation, that is, impossibility or indeterminacy.

By Joule's law W=I~XR the same impossibility arises.
According to Weber's law Um= @XR~ we have that the magnetic tension which is
Um is equal to the product of fi and reluctance. We continue with the same impossibility.

By Lenz's law EI= A@/At we have that the induced electromotive force
E1 is equal to the division of the variation of the cosine of phi by the variation of time.
As the cosine offi is zero, indeterminacy remains.
In practice, subject to various measurements and tests, a residual consumption of 6 mA was found,
resulting more from the power cables than from the consumption of the coil.
The value of fi remains unchanged and equal to zero. Practical situation without known theoretical justification.
When one 'EE law' falls,cause : R= or ≥ 0, the domino-effect from R-dependent EE laws ........

https://www.epa.gov/environmental-geophysics/electrical-conductivity-and-resistivity
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« Reply #2977 on: September 10, 2023, 05:42:39 PM »
PART2 of an answer:
//phenomena regarding 'energy extraction from Schumann Wave guide', so how did 'N Tesla'
drag this huge amount of power from the sky down to earth in order to power his Pierce Arrow convertible /
DaveW

In PART 1 here: https://overunity.com/17735/kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion/msg582145/#msg582145
- We established total failure of Tesla and Marconi experimenting with 
sending  energy from A to B presumably using surface wave guided in natural waveguide
they had no idea it exists nor its properties.
Work was done by both intuitively, with some level of ignorance to  the new development of science and technology  coming up
during that time while remaining in competition to each other.
It was also an effect of  the two gentleman affairs, Tesla's lack of money, and Marconi's suing USA government
about illegal use of his technology during  WW1.
Waste of money and time.

Tesla tower  was demolished in 1917.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wardenclyffe_Tower
Marconi Bolinas plant  was built in 1914 and taken over by RCA in 1919 (actually by action of government of USA "acting"
as newly formed RCA) -look below for more accurate information.
Not much information is published about this event:
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In 1919, upon completion of this grand facility, KPH Bolinas, it was seized from American Marconi by the U.S. Navy

https://borderlandsciences.org/journal/vol/54-5/v54-1/Dollard_on_Bolinas_Wireless_Station.html
Note: Eric Dollard is known as unorthodox researcher and publisher 
2. Marconi's Museum is likely more about donations than sharing full historical  truth.
https://bolinasmuseum.org/exhibitions/wireless-giant-of-the-pacific-100-years-of-marconi-rca-maritime-radio-history/
3. https://www.nps.gov/pore/planyourvisit/events_marconi_centennial.htm - nothing important to us - just skip it.
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvQU0AcxytE  by Eric Dollard


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Pierce Arrow presentation  by Tesla was in 1931

1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EorF01qUnak Nikola Tesla's Pierce Arrow electric car
     Video uses totally wrong assumption based on Donald Smith here: 10:59 
      P=U x I but  P= I2xR and R is constant load in Pierce Arrow presentation  by Tesla
      - so : someone  touching top of Tesla coil may not get burn to much or at all, as current is likely very small and voltage is high 10kV up.
     We see  in the video : Nonsense of Don Smith taken as an example by uneducated video maker. fallowing another nonsense of
      "longitudinal electromagnetic wave"  in minute: 01:05:43 and many more.

2.
https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/articles/nikola-teslas-most-amazing-pierce-arrow-car-project-1931-buffalo-ny-vision
Tesla Pierce Arrow car conversion
The article talks about Radiant Energy and here we have few  choices but article talks about energy of electromagnetic wave.
The article doesn't talk about - just  "any energy that radiates" - also known as radiant. 
So we may stick to the description below:
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Radiant energy is a form of electromagnetic energy that includes visible light, radio waves, ultraviolet (UV) rays,

If we exclude surface wave in form known as of today trapped in between air as dielectric and earth as lossy conductive medium than

it looks like:
-Tesla couldn't do it   
-or  he was using ahead of time method more modern than  today(2023) 
-or it was   a joke.

The patent listed in article doesn't apply.



Other sources:
3.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrZJyhT1dI0

     https://youtu.be/DKpCrdWKZPo?t=125
     https://youtu.be/53ShbUWZ0Ig?t=72

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Re: Kapanadze and other FE discussion
« Reply #2979 on: September 11, 2023, 06:55:50 AM »
Why can't rectified AC using instead of familiar diode that inductance with permanent magnet ?
The choke like such that using in TVs and Monitors.
After all, obviously there is an asymmetry of the current flowing through it in different directions.
I was trying do that,but comes out nothing. :'(

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« Reply #2980 on: September 11, 2023, 08:09:51 AM »
  Commercial applications uses this technique. That is  where the big money is.
Wesley
Wesley, does it make sense to transmit electricity from US to somewhere with huge transmission losses?

Electricity prices 2023 per kilowatt-hour:

Russia:
in cities $0.069
in villages $0.048

Ukraine:
for private $0.072

Georgia, where Kapanadze comes:
for Tbilisi $0.10

Belarus:
for private $0.098

Kazakhstan:
for private $0.01

Iran:
$0.002

Iraq:
$0.015 - $0.046

China:
$0.075 - $0.087

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« Reply #2981 on: September 11, 2023, 05:03:30 PM »
Hi ,

This guy and his teams have successfuly transfered energy through specific way to elswhere,
Think he is using phase array antenna , but no clue in which frequency?
Do you know, how his cliam will play major role on futur?

https://www.ted.com/talks/ali_hajimiri_how_wireless_energy_from_space_could_power_everything?language=en

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« Reply #2982 on: September 11, 2023, 06:04:01 PM »
Wesley, does it make sense to transmit electricity from US to somewhere with huge transmission losses?
Electricity prices 2023 per kilowatt-hour:
Russia:in cities $0.069in villages $0.048;Ukraine;for private $0.072 for private $0.072; Georgia, $0.10; Belarus: for private $0.098;
Kazakhstan: private $0.01,Iran:$0.002;Iraq:$0.015 - $0.046;China:$0.075 - $0.087
Loses of energy transfer using wires( cost) makes   consumer in USA pay two bills.
One for energy  use and another one for energy delivery that is often  higher than the first one.
So imagine  energy cost if  no wires are used and efficiency of transfer is higher than  with use of wires , towers,
poles  etc. 
Energy is just a pretext.
-look at  section  of featuring documentary with projection of possible fabula  called :
Welcome to the world of slaves starting from here:
https://youtu.be/zE4GjB1cWLQ?t=499
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« Reply #2983 on: September 11, 2023, 07:01:15 PM »
Part#1

Hi ,
This guy and his teams have successfuly transfered energy through specific way to elswhere,
Think he is using phase array antenna , but no clue in which frequency?
Do you know, how his cliam will play major role on futur?
https://www.ted.com/talks/ali_hajimiri_how_wireless_energy_from_space_could_power_everything?language=en

Thank you for the  link.
I  thought that TED  is reputable source  I never analyzed yet till today.
Such a stake of nonsense I didn't expect to  read or watch.

Quote
Quote from transcript:
you're using some sort of wireless connectivity that relies on wireless and RF waves
wireless is RF and nothing else. - misuse  of  terminology.
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Quote from transcript:
If you have two waves that have the same frequency and are going up and down
and they come together at some point in space, they will add and make a wave that's twice the height but carries four times the energy.
Now, if the same two waves come together at some other place in space, but one is running
half a period late, they cancel and you get very little energy, practically no energy.
This is the basis for a process that has been known for a long time. It's called interference.
- Lack of education, completely wrong  statement  from someone who calls himself   an electrical engineer.
Please  read just  fat print:
and look at real science  now:
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Energy of electromagnetic wave is carried on  by  photons.
Light is also electromagnetic wave so lets take it as an example.
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Light waves in free space do interfere, but do not interact.
Once the light waves have passed through one another, you cannot measure a change due to the other wave
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/488108/do-photons-interact-or-not-directly
Exemption  of that  rule is here but doesn't apply to the mentioned video.
https://cdn.britannica.com/39/108839-050-24DBCC03.jpg

RULE:
Photon is energy carrier that has no mass and can be thought as having mass if in motion.
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Photons have no rest mass. Since mass and energy are equivalent, photons can be thought
of as having mass when they are in motion because they have energy.
But photons cease to exist when they are at rest
Photons -link
Photon  can not interact with another photon (only with itself) can-one-bit-of-light-bounce-off-another

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 So I stopped at this point any reading of that transcript,  didn't watch more of that video yet
I may create another  comment if needed,
Wesley
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« Reply #2984 on: September 12, 2023, 11:29:06 AM »
Photon  can not interact with another photon (only with itself)
Why two radio waves with certain frequencies can self-destruct.
But two rays of light (two photons) can’t ?
I think I can guess why.
A radio wave is strictly of one frequency and phase. And light is a set of frequencies.
But even single-mode laser radiation does not self-destruct. Why? :o

p.s.

Why can't rectified AC using instead of familiar diode that inductance with permanent magnet ?
The choke like such that using in TVs and Monitors.
After all, obviously there is an asymmetry of the current flowing through it in different directions.
I was trying do that,but comes out nothing. :'(

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