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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2880 on: September 10, 2019, 12:06:03 PM »
Related Victor Schauberger Wirbel/Vortex/Swirl research :

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=pax+pacific+impeller&oq=pax+pacific+impeller&aqs=heirloom-srp..
" impeller can mix 4 millions gallons of water using only 150 Watts "
"butterfly"- Chaos-theory : how much energy as Brownian movement this 150 Watt can stimulate in 4 million of gallons( gallon  : ancient portuguese mass : 3,785 Liter) of water


http://egm-international.com/index_co2.htm  Vortex-/Wirbel-Wandler/Converter
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windhexe
Used Substantives /Nomen + deklination( Nom.,Dativ,Genitiv,Akkusativ,Ablativ,Vokativ). and Infinitives/Verbum+ conjugation( 1.Pers., 2.Per.,... Singularis/Pluralis + termination : Praesens,Praeteritum,Perfect,Plusquamperfekt,Futur I ,Futur II):
tornar = to turn = tourner = drehen = winden= vertere  Tornado/Vertex or Vortex
Wind/Vento/Bento and Gesch-Wind-igkeit= velocity /velocidade
velare, velo= round/rotation velociped from um-runden/rotieren/to round rotare  ( per second/minute/hour/....) Rotor
stare=estar( todifferfrom: ser) =stehen= to stand Stator Still-Stand E-/e-/state as social Nation and as statistical Situation/ Moment

The first "Neuzeit-Akademie der Wissenschaften""Physics" father- language has been Latin,

 later German(Reichkanzlei zu Prag/Praha -Hochdeutsch

zu lithografische Institut/Duden-Hochdeutsch"= (hannoverische Welfen-)saechsisch=saxonic
 /French/ Anglosaxonic(= english, no scottish/irish/Walsh = celto-iberic languages)
Who can not read original publication language and only trust to given by 2nds/3rd their hand. and mind translations get probably "dimensional" basic idea reproduction errors  !


Our thinking and as translation tool: spoken and written language is 4 and more dimensional like the assimilated
4 and more dimensional algometric humbots digital mind for the human-free industrial production. !
« Last Edit: September 10, 2019, 06:52:13 PM by lancaIV »

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2881 on: September 10, 2019, 10:57:57 PM »
Re: 3. Vortex Tubes
These aren't either Shauberger or Dyson Air Mulitplier....
while interesting, Viktor Schauberger had literally curled tubes... which for certain capacitiies of fluid velocities reduce flow rates... but they require tuning to operate in a certain range...

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« Reply #2882 on: September 11, 2019, 07:45:23 AM »
(although as I was considering it; certainly Vortex Tubes shouldn't be ignored)


So... they say dolphins and other fish will make vortex rings to eat... It didn't really click how that would work until I saw this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqATMuyAhPo 'How To Build A Fire With A Plunger' is a terrible name for the video.
8:27 Intro to clip of fish doing so
11:31 goldfish crackers get caugnt, and swept along ring

Which... I'd suppose if there was small things like plankton they would get caught up also, and (perhaps) the vortex is slurped up like a straw full of micro food stuff

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Vortex Rings... I saw a coanda quad copter today also; wasn't very good... I think there's something missing, either fins to divert the airflow circularly, or a lip, or ripple to cause rings to happen... but then I guess rings are self-stable and don't influence the outer flows very much

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2883 on: September 11, 2019, 03:39:14 PM »
Wesley
I suppose the confused Man does not realize you don't allow advertising on your Utube...so not a penny in revenue.
I am Glad you are here today Wesley ...this time on this date... was a very bad and sad Day in NYC.
very glad you are here !!
much gratitude
Chet K



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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2884 on: September 12, 2019, 12:51:55 AM »
Vortex rings ~ Ampere-turns circum-venting/swirling the coil ( out-side / in-side) :
                                               peripetal and/or centrifugal movement

                                    Up to 990 KW output/ ? weight
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=WO&NR=8808220A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19881020&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#
                                    Up to 1 MW/ 27,2 Kg ( 60  lbs )
https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.wonksmedia.com/dec.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiE7q_35MnkAhUpA2MBHWH2BGkQFjACegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw1bVcXEBtDsFIpTC0QlPVz2

                       
                   per KW installation : 10 Euros/KW private endconsumer/industrial consumer price  ?

                       1 MW x 10 Euros = 10000 Euros / device weight : 27,2 Kg =  367 Euros/Kg


 Imris generator production costs calculation( permalloy, copper, capacitor,...)  32 Euros/ Kg (2012 list prices)


By material value 10 Euros/KW( included well margin )  generator will become real  and an alternative to                                             
                                            1500 Euros/KW solar/Wind/Biogas "farming".



For me only known higher power-to-weight ratio devices :
         
                                   https://patents.google.com/patent/US8847720B2/en

And
                   https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=45&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931012&CC=US&NR=5252176A&KC=A#
                                                                                       +

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.sciencealert.com/world-s-oldest-nobel-prize-winner-says-his-new-device-will-give-clean-cheap-energy&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwif2Ye47cnkAhWlx4UKHbgWBRAQFjAAegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw3MFcU2G_SFVRKzLOQLzNeo

or instead

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=7&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19870527&CC=DE&NR=3540683A1&KC=A1#

                                                                                       +

                                   10@7 W per sqm=  10 MW/sqm = 1 KW/sq-cm conversion possibility

                  https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19941018&CC=US&NR=5356484A&KC=A#

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« Reply #2885 on: September 12, 2019, 02:20:35 PM »
To compare the Zielinski/Sines generator fair :
the Harold Goldbaum with Zielinski apparent power-to-weight ratio :
Zielinski ( 4500 Ampere x 220 Volt/50 Hz) / weight
Sines 1 MW : ? Hz/27,2 Kg
Goldbaum : if with 400 Hz 60 KW per hour then with 50 Hz = 7,5 KW per hour dividing  with weight 705 ccm x 7,5 g
= 7,5 KW/5,3 Kg power-to weight ratio
Resume :

Goldbaum generator by weight and same output frequency more than 25x times heavier than Sines/ Zielinski generator

Technology for superconductive devices becomes cheaper :
https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=13984 by Anatoly Rokhvarger and Lubov Chigirinsky and M.Topchiashvili ( 2000,2004)

91° Kelvin :  ::) hmm,  mit der Schukeyschen Delta-Omega Maschine, kaskadiert : =  - 180 ° Celsius

Kelvin Zeropoint to Celsius Zeropoint  ?
https://pt.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Schukey
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thermodyna.com%2Fjuergen-schukey.html

+
Ed Sines US Navy work :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20010710&CC=US&NR=6259347B1&KC=B1#

Based by their priority dates : Schukey, Sines/US Navy and the HTS coil : global open source ( excl. US 2004 application https://patents.google.com/patent/US7632784 )
civil and military carrier technology for land,sea and air

High power electric beam tool/weapon :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=68&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19891018&CC=DD&NR=272727A1&KC=A1#
High energy focus-point delivery : Mega- up to Gigawatt

Un-/friendly application possibility :
Fast cutting house walls, granit cavity engraver( for new water delivering channel f.e.),closed Tresor opener,
military tanks and jets internal heat increaser ( soldiers" cross" like fried chicken) ,
bridges/dams and tunnels e-cutter , 
nuclear solid/liquid waste incineration,minerals smelter et cetera pipapo


Ready for the future eWar without frontier  !  This, WE ARE : from cold war era to eWargames competition  !
Telemetrical : by joy-stick  ;D for Collateralwins
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2886 on: September 16, 2019, 03:25:46 AM »
I'm thankful   to lancaIV for  links  posted.
I  didn't have time to comment on it.

I'm in need   make some  memos from the article  :
https://www.ieee.ca/millennium/radio/radio_differences.html



memo#1
May 1901; excepting that a suitable HF alternator, generating frequencies above about 10 kHz was not available until 1906.
There is no fundamental reason that long distance wireless communications could not have begun at VLF,


memo#2
On 12 December 1901 signals from a high power spark transmitter located at Poldhu
were reported to have been received by Marconi and his assistant George Kemp,
at a receiving station on Signal Hill, near St. John's, Newfoundland. The signals had traveled a distance of 3500 kilometres.

memo#3
The first East-West transatlantic radio transmission was made during October 1902 from Poldhu,
Cornwall to the Italian cruiser Carlos Alberto anchored in the harbour of Sydney, NS with Marconi aboard.
The frequency employed was about 272 kHz.

memo#4
The first two-way transatlantic radio telegraphy transmission took place on 10 January 1906,
between Fessenden's stations at Brant Rock, MA and Machrihanish Scotland.
Repeatedly regular exchange of messages across the Atlantic Ocean took place on most days during winter, spring and into early summer.
The frequencies used were in the 80-100 kHz band.


memo#5
Recall that Fleming, in the first edition of his book on Electromagnetic Waves published in 1906,
stated that an abrupt impulse was a necessary condition for wireless transmission, and that high frequency currents,
even of sufficient frequency could not produce radiation.

The highest frequency of HF alternators prior to the summer of 1906 was about 10 kHz.
This belief, and an earlier belief that the terminals of an antenna had to be bridged by a spark, show how wrong some of the early "experts" were.

I'm looking for reference point Chet.
The power  I  told  you  about was not total power used by  transmitter but real  power  radiated   by  Tesla Coil.
So  when we are talking about  power distribution we  should refer to  total  power  consumed by  the device  minus (-) losses =  power transmitted.
Text  is easily taking you into  wrong thinking pattern  by mentioned  aerial  antenna structure  in many of Marconi   devices of that historical period.
The correction:
- At American  land coast was the Rx and in England was  Tx.
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1. The key point is that receiver used balloon  with the  piece of wire extending from the Rx  coil .( the reverse action  Tesla coil)
2. The history is incorrect as  to the point of how high was the balloon 
elevated  . ( the  sphere I mentioned to you)
3.

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According to Marconi, he was an amateur in radio: in fact this was far from the truth.
He foresaw the business side of wireless telegraphy. He was aware, however, of his own limitations as a scientist and engineer,
and so he enlisted (in 1900) the help of university professor John Ambrose Fleming, as scientific advisor to the Marconi Company;

He was as  uneducated as Tariel( specialist in architecture) was in 1991.



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« Reply #2887 on: September 16, 2019, 05:13:08 AM »
summary:
The  real  power used by  Tx  was  quite small and insufficient to
provide coast to coast communication.
However total power used to power Tx  was huge.
Spark gap created    spectrum  of   frequencies having  one dominating center  of  the lob
where  the amplitude was  at  its  highest.
So when receiver or transmitter  shifted from  desired  target frequency  than adjacent frequency was immediately available to be used due to existing wide  spark gap spectrum.
The  bandwidth   of  Rx and Tx circuitry was  so wide, so Rx  and Tx  was always  tuned for communication. 
look here :
https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=939

By comparison Tariel Kapanadze used  at  his first devices Tesla Coil and spark gap.
So  the spectrum of frequencies created exactly the same lob  with ready to  use   frequencies.
but now     our Tx  is made by nature.
There   are many  different  ways of activation:
https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=990
Due to Tesla coil characteristic  when you  have Top Capacitor on the  top of Tesla coil  RF signal is only present in near  field and than is vanishing.
by rules of Brewster Angle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster%27s_angle

So we may think that Marconi used big masts and aerial  antennas in Tx .
however in Rx he used   balloon  with straight piece of wire.
And  that receiver is our key point
The receiver could only receive surface  wave  as it was sensitive only to that what could exist in near field of Rx
However it was  thought   previously that    it was not Zenneck wave  (nobody knows about it yet) but  EM bouncing from   ionosphere.


As I  told you before  both  the receiver and transmitter must be alike  but acts  in reverse.
Tx  is transmitting  to   primary  coil and induces   voltage in HV secondary winding. 
Rx is receiving signal  using HV coil and   is   inducing it into Low voltage  coil.

Note:
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both  the receiver and transmitter must be alike  but acts  in reverse.
that means  Rx and Tx don't have to look  alike but  they must act electrically  as if they were  the  same.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2888 on: September 16, 2019, 05:52:38 AM »
summary #2;
Chet I  don't  object that at later  Marconi used  indirect wave path  using ionosphere and rules  of  propagation of electromagnetic  wave.
but  he was  using  than,  much much higher  frequencies.
however  science of waves  is  saying us,-  what  is  the range of frequencies that can be reflected from ionosphere;
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This means that a radio signal on 20 MHz for example will be stronger than one on 10 MHz if propagation can be supported at both frequencies
https://www.electronics-notes.com/articles/antennas-propagation/ionospheric/hf-propagation-basics.php
and  now look at  Marconi  transmitter  working  only  at its lowest 10kHz.

There  is no way  Chet  that this LUF
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Lowest Usable Frequency, LUF:   
The LUF is the lowest frequency at which the received field intensity
is sufficient to provide the required signal-to-noise ratio at a specific time of day. 
could  be reflected from  ionosphere.
So  how Marconi did it?
Now you know how.
And  that is why   he went to Bolinas California

I only speculate on the  fact that Marconi  was  not any professional at all.
Rules  for antennas have not yet been known.
At that time  Marconi had  no idea what  is impedance
Everything  was for Marconi   a  personal  luck of child  playing  with wires and  looking  what Tesla is doing.

several years later  Marconi moved to Bolinas California
http://ericpdollard.com/free-videos/history-of-the-marconi-rca-station-bolinas-ca/

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He  still  didn't understand  what  is going  on.
but he knew   how  to  make it work.

and he got busted by  RCA the  arm of  American government.
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Built in 1919 by Marconi, it was taken over in 1920 by the Radio Corporation of America (RCA).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Marconi_wireless_stations


and now take
Tariel Kapanadze and place him into phrase from above:
He  still  didn't understand  what  is going  on.
but he knew   how  to  make it work.



Wesley
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« Reply #2889 on: September 16, 2019, 04:45:43 PM »
Wesley
 Remarkable possibilities .


The “sea of energy”  that some speak of , apparently has currents or an as yet poorly understood attribute ....
 With a tremendous potential .


 I think it’s time for the fellows here To tidy up the benches


 Much gratitude


Chet




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« Reply #2890 on: September 16, 2019, 08:47:25 PM »
Dear Wesley,

How do these images fit in with the "zenneck waves" theory, or do they?

Dont you think it would be important to translate these images if they explain how the flywheel generator of Kapanadze works?

Since, Kapanadze has a legitimate working device, I would assume that the double flywheel is also legitimate thus important?

https://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/21600/

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« Reply #2891 on: September 17, 2019, 01:46:29 AM »
I  assume you talking about set of russian photos  from that link.
https://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg537616/#msg537616


Isn't the explanation of the mechanical generator Kapanadze here?
No it is  not.
It is very  clever  mechanical device and I like the concept.
However  that device or rather   mechanical concept  of two pancake shape coiled springs ( mechanical watch  springs) 
was only used to explain hydroelectric/  mechanical  flywheel  device of Tariel Kapanadze.
http://www.mareasistemi.com/ARCHIVIO/Vladimir%20Utkin/Vladimir%20Utkin_files/Fig412.gif

Many of you are trying to explain  quantum phenomena using mechanical models.
that is nothing  wrong with that.
However processes of quantum mechanics are  not explainable  by classical mechanics.
although you may have some sort of visual/ mental  idea  of how  it works - it is as far as you can go.

The laws of  thermodynamics must be obeyed.
Nothing will work without additional energy   delivered  to the system.

The  Russian author  is talented and knowledgeable and this ends here.
He  is stack in inability to move forward.
In quantum world  everything is different.
Wesley
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« Reply #2892 on: September 17, 2019, 02:10:44 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVUN3GsekKQ

If those pictures explain this engine, I am interrested.

I am much more interrested in this engine than "antenna type" Kapanadze.

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« Reply #2893 on: September 17, 2019, 02:57:57 AM »
look at my previous post again please
 i corrected it
Yes  this is the device  refereed to mechanical model.
But that  model was only used to show balance of forces and nothing more.
That model  doesn't  apply to rotation or  build of  the device.
Russian  fellow used  term "mechanical amplification"  and that is incorrect terminology.

However he mentioned  car wheel  balancing forces 
and that is why I said  that  he is talented.
The   device shown on the video is  Faraday  disc - Homopolar generator
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homopolar_generator#The_Faraday_disc


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« Reply #2894 on: September 17, 2019, 02:58:02 AM »
Ok... I am not sure I understand, but please do continue.

If its mechanical and overunity (it looks like it), then for sure I am super interrested in knowing more.

There is not many good projects to choose from nowadays, besides this.

And everybody is free to comment on how they think it works.


 

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