Kapanadze and other FE discussion

[r2fpl]

I checked and the sound of the 2004 turning off corresponds most closely to a transformer with a core or ferrites that have or are permanent magnets.
Stimulation frequency approx. +- Hz
32Hz base and FM! modulation 320Hz (PURE SINUS!)
It's just sound, of course, but something definitely brings us closer.

[Sergh]

    Yes, it matches the elements on paper with shoe prints.
But why we don't notice the time delay and  strange sound when the device is turned off normally? When device turn off in a normal way, does the spark also stop working. Or does Kapanadze turn off the device in a normal way only with the help of a toggle switch?
Or do we just not hear a strange sound and do not notice the shutdown delay due to the peculiarity of the video formation?


   It can be assumed that the toggle switch somehow mechanically blocks the supply of some component into the bobbin. Vibrating toroids can act as a vibration pump. From the jar through a copper capillary tube, such as those used in refrigeration, some component enters or circulates into the bobbin core. The modified toggle switch mechanically blocks the supply of the component.
When turning on the device, was it like this when a spark exists, but the incandescent bulbs are not yet lit? Then the toggle switch turns on and the lights start to glow?

[r2fpl]

When Wesley was at Kapanadze's and his device is turned on, there is a sound that resembles a relay switching. This is not very good news.
ok. In the 2kw device (small coil and several boxes) no spark gap is visible at all.
Look; an aquarium in the garage and a TT coil at 200Khz. There is a voltage multiplier and spark plugs, but no spark!
Recently, I thought that the spark gives off excess energy, but it is not possible after all. Certainly not with 2-5kW!? there are a few watts on the spark gap. There are NO amps.
What is a spark gap for? I don't know.
We see that in 2004 the device works after turning off 1s when the bulbs are full of light then they are suddenly disconnected. A knock similar to a relay is heard! as in the 200W Wesley.

[rakarskiy]

Judging by the sound, you can generally decide that the relay is clanking constantly. In the topology I am considering, the high-voltage component should be delayed, (this is due to the magnetic flux of the core) if you turn off the main circuit, there will be pulses for some time until the high-voltage buffer store is discharged.

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[Sergh]

Now I want to most accurately describe something unusual that the most attentive viewers have long observed in one of Kapanadze's videos, and which has now become a little more clear thanks to the translation that has appeared.
I duplicate lines of dialogue from the video in Russian to reduce the possibility of misinterpretation.


24:10 "About inertia, you mean disconnect from here?"
(Disconnect the 220 volt cable that is connected to the output of the 12 V to 220 V converter, that is, turn off all power to the transformer, transistors and spark.)
      "Насчет инерции, вы имеете ввиду отключить отсюда?"
(Отключить кабель 220 вольт, который подключен к выходу преобразователя 12 В в 220 В, то есть отключить вообще всё питание на трансформатор, транзисторы и искру.)

24:15 "Go away, Tyomo.."
      "Отойди, Темо.."

24:20 "Now, let's look carefully, when we disconnect our device from the converter, how long the device will continue to generate energy by inertia .."
      "Вот сейчас, посмотрим внимательно, когда отключаем нашу установку от преобразователя, сколько по инерции установка будет продолжать вырабатывать энергию.."

24:32 He turns off all the power for the transformer, transistors and spark. A clicking sound is heard (may be from removing the plug from the outlet on converter)

Then the most important thing happens! Some very strange iridescent low-frequency sound is heard.

      Он отключает вообще всё питание для трансформатора, транзисторов и искры. Слышен щелчек (может быть от вынимания вилки из розетки преобразователя) Затем происходит самое важное! Слышен какой-то очень странный переливающийся низкочастотный звук.

24:34 Lamps go out. The strange sound ends.
      Лампы тухнут. Странный звук заканчивается.

24:38 Kapanadze (not exactly) says: "It's not possible to have such an idea. To have inertia more than .."
      Капанадзе (не точно) говорит: "Такого вроде не может быть по идее. Иметь инерцию больше чем.."

24:46 Zurab Mindeli says to Tariel Kapanadze: "You need to study the fact that since the device works a little by inertia, there is a chance that it will be able to work like this all the time, but this requires a technical solution."
      Зураб Миндели говорит Тариэлу Капанадзе: "Тебе нужно изучить тот факт, что так как устройство работает немного по инерции, есть шанс что оно сможет работать так постоянно, но для этого необходимо техническое решение."

Let's say this sound comes from a 12-220 converter that has started to run without load. Then why does the sound disappear after the lamps go out? The converter has not been turned off, it probably continues to work without load.
The iron transformer near the transistors, which was powered by a 12-220 converter, does not receive power to its windings since the 220 V cable is disconnected.
It remains only to assume that the strange low-frequency sound comes from the bobbin itself.

Link to video with subtitles in Russian. You can choose to translate into another language in the YouTube settings, but the Russian subtitles are somewhat misspelled, so it's better to look at the text in this post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s2t_puDDhI

[r2fpl]

2004: when Kapa disconnects the power we have 1s of action. Read the patent... the capacitor is periodically charged and discharged.
Since Kapa writes about it in the patent, maybe it's a mechanism that supports the process for 1s.

inertia? what did he mean? is that there is work for 1s? I think so.

[Sergh]

We don't know what the patent means by the name "capacitor". Probably what is drawn in the picture with the prints of shoes, called "Tesla's Bifilars".
It could be power cells based on hydrogen polarization. The design can be fundamentally similar to the design of an electrolytic capacitor, which is why Tariel wrote about the capacitor in the patent. He could not discover the principle of work in the patent.

About the possibility of a hidden capacitor:
   1 - 2 seconds of glowing 5 kilowatt lamps is 5000 - 10000 joules. If one does not use high capacity supercapacitors, which were not available at the time, then a large battery of electrolytic capacitors is needed, which would be noticeable. I do not see any point in this, since they do not create a vibrating low-frequency sound, and cannot produce energy.


Uh, I reviewed the video with this translation and an idea came to me:

- these words:

24:46 Zurab Mindeli says to Tariel Kapanadze: "You need to study the fact that since the device works a little by inertia, there is a chance that it will be able to work like this all the time, but this requires a technical solution."

- it looks like Zurab Mindeli maybe knows how the device works. But Zurab Mindeli is a well-known person in Georgia:
http://www.nplg.gov.ge/bios/ka/00013651/

Translated:

Zurab Mindeli
Date of birth: June 26, 1937 (86 years old)
Category: Engineer

Biography:

Place of birth: Sori village, Oni district.

He graduated from the Faculty of Energy of the Polytechnic Institute of Georgia in 1961, post-graduate studies in 1974.

Since 1961, he was a specialist of the thermal power plant of Shchokin, Tuli district;
1963-1977 Duty engineer of Tbilsres, deputy head of the workshop, deputy chief engineer,
1977-1981 Chief engineer;
1981-1984 Head and Chief Expert of the Soviet Specialist Group and Contract of the Republic of Iraq;
1985-1987 Head of the Prospective Development Service of Dzhatvenergo;
1987-1990 Director of Tbilsres;
1990 General Director of Dzhatavarenergo;
1991 Minister of Electric Energy of Georgia;
1991-2001 Vice President of "Tbilhydroproject", LLC Concern "Energy"; General Director of "Tesaco" LLC;
Since 2002, deputy of the Tbilisi City Council - P/G "Ertoba".

Has an academic degree of doctor;
Is an academician, the author of 6 inventions and 14 scientific works;
Holder of an honorary certificate of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of Georgia (1979).

The topic of the candidate's thesis - "Increasing the economy and reliability of thermal power plants by optimizing the combustion processes of thermochemical modes".

Source: Who's Who in Georgia: Georgian Biographical Directory. - Volume, 2006. - p. 337


   I assume that Tariel Kapanadze worked during the Soviet era as an architect in one of the organizations associated with the design of hydraulic structures, "Gruzgiprovodkhoz" or "Tbilhydroproekt", and this discovery of the principle of his device occurred there. Because of this, there was a rejection of this discovery by physicists, who considered such organizations to be non-core, incapable of global discoveries in physics. 

[r2fpl]

Awesome you found this guy
Surely something could be learned, but we do not know how to do it.

Capacitor: Let's think how much energy is in this capacitor if it is charged by a 110W inverter?

110J = 4.545mF@220V/s
The minimum capacitor is 4.5mF because we know that the device works for 1s

There are no such capacitors!
Similar to buy: 100000UF 80V, 200000uF/6.3V

It would have to be very large.

It is possible that this capacitor is not a capacitor! as you say.

[rakarskiy]

Kapanadze probably had an internal resonant circuit in element #9 (grenade) that resonates by damping for another 1 second. How this might look like I have depicted based on my old slide.

[Sergh]

There are no such capacitors!
It would have to be very large.

It is possible that this capacitor is not a capacitor!

1 joule = 1 watt for 1 second.

In order to accumulate energy for the glow of 5 kilowatt incandescent bulbs for 1 second, 5000 joules are needed.

Thus, for 1 second 5 kilowatts,  is needed  a capacitor 1,562,500 microfarads 80 volts, 71 pcs ordinary capacitors 22,000 microfarads 80 volts.
If the weight of one capacitor is about 160 grams, the battery will weigh more than 11 kilograms.
We do not pay attention that the voltage on the capacitors decreases linearly during the discharge, unlike rechargeable batteries.

[r2fpl]

1 joule = 1 watt for 1 second.

In order to accumulate energy for the glow of 5 kilowatt incandescent bulbs for 1 second, 5000 joules are needed.

Thus, for 1 second 5 kilowatts,  is needed  a capacitor 1,562,500 microfarads 80 volts, 71 capacitors 22,000 microfarads 80 volts.
If the weight of one capacitor is about 160 grams, the battery will weigh more than 11 kilograms.
We do not pay attention that the voltage on the capacitors decreases linearly during the discharge, unlike rechargeable batteries.

We know that 110W is drawn from the inverter. There is no need for a 5kW capacitor if we are talking about capacitance.

[Sergh]

But the inverter is not connected at that time? They disconnected the plug from the socket at the output of the inverter. 5,000 - 10,000 kilojoules of energy were able to produce a bobbin in a stand-alone mode. Everything was disabled: iron transformer, transistors, spark.  The capacitors after the rectifier are of course very small to provide even 50 watts for 1 - 2 seconds.
Where did this energy come from?

[lancaIV]

1 joule = 1 watt for 1 second.

In order to accumulate energy for the glow of 5 kilowatt incandescent bulbs for 1 second, 5000 joules are needed.

Thus, for 1 second 5 kilowatts,  is needed  a capacitor 1,562,500 microfarads 80 volts, 71 pcs ordinary capacitors 22,000 microfarads 80 volts.
If the weight of one capacitor is about 160 grams, the battery will weigh more than 11 kilograms.
We do not pay attention that the voltage on the capacitors decreases linearly during the discharge, unlike rechargeable batteries.

5000 Joules / 3 600 000 joules = 0,01388
5000 Wattshour /3600 (hour in seconds) = 1,388 Wh
Today we have lab R&D 150 Wh/Kg capacitors ( similar batteries).
10 Gr. capacitor enough for 5000 Watts energy during one second delivery !
wmbr
OCWL

[r2fpl]

But the inverter is not connected at that time? They disconnected the plug from the socket at the output of the inverter. 5,000 - 10,000 kilojoules of energy were able to produce a bobbin in a stand-alone mode. Everything was disabled: iron transformer, transistors, spark.  The capacitors after the rectifier are of course very small to provide even 50 watts for 1 - 2 seconds.
Where did this energy come from?

I don't know if these arrows show the flow of electrons or the directions of dependence.

[rakarskiy]

We look at the block diagram of the device from the first patent of Kapanadze, correct the missing galvanic isolation element, and realize that direct connection of the start circuit to the output will be problematic for a number of reasons. But in any case, Kapanadze's scheme is a DC circuit with pulse control through the arrester.

Figura

Kapanadze's second patent is an attempt to remove the circuit for autonomous control and to comply with the rules of the system. But in any case the principle is clear, at least to me.

I pored over the various interpretations of this device, and found a principled understanding of the process.

https://eurosamodelki.ru/katalog-samodelok/alternativnaja-energetika/pogovorim-o-Kapanadze-po-sledam-Budennogo-i-Kapanadze-


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I have completed the material on the Kapanadze generator; to me my conclusions seem to be optimal for solving this problem.

https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2023/07/the-mystery-of-kapanadze-generator.html

Analyzing the operation of transformers and electromagnetic synchronous generators I found a significant difference in the principle of operation.  Kapanadze realized a way to bring the transformer from the mode of intercurrent mutual induction to the mode of electromagnetic generation. It is this action that I explain the effect of energy multiplication through the amplifier/current generator in his circuit.