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Author Topic: Kapanadze and other FE discussion  (Read 1147188 times)

Sergh

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« Reply #2835 on: July 20, 2023, 01:07:35 PM »

 "See KZ109 under the copper coil?"
Yes,I see.  No wonder I had to repair them for many years.
And why is КЦ106 written in the figure then?

Maybe KZ106 diodes were used in the generator with can (2004), and KZ109 diodes were used in the later  generator "GreenBox".

"Current Amplifier"
I think that my thoughts and fantasies of an engineer about how Kapanadze's generator is arranged are very close to reality.

An engineer who understands physics needs to determine not only current, voltage or power, but the energy received at the input and generated at the output.

The principle of operation of the element, the current generator by converting the EMF of the high-voltage voltage source and focusing it on the conductor of the power circuit, the coil (10), into a magnetic vortex field, which is essentially the current force.

It seems that earlier this approach was called "to get a hybrid of a snake and a hedgehog".
Does not work. You cannot connect a car battery  in series with the secondary of the ignition coil and get 30,000 volts 200 amperes.
The current amplifier must amplify current and voltage. Moreover, the voltage must be more than 220 volts, so that due to the voltage drop on the inductance of the bobbin winding, the output is 220 V alternating.
The output of the "current amplifier" must be more than 300 volts of alternating voltage with a current of more than 20 amperes. Then each of the ten elements, probably connected in series, should produce 30 volts RMS, that's 42 volts amplitude, or 84 peak-to-peak.
So imagine which cell can create such a voltage and current of more than 20 amperes.
The only thing that makes the task easier is that the cell can be reversed, create +42 volts and -42 volts, and these pulses can be less than 0.01 seconds long to get a total of 50 Hz.
Maybe there are more items? Based on practice, chemical elements do not allow you to get more than 4 volts.
Then you need to somehow place about 100 elements inside the bobbin. Difficult, besides, they will be very warm. By the way, this is marked in the figure near the inscription "ferite rings" "cheba" is added, which means it is heated.
"Chemical element" in this case does not literally mean a chemical current source. I mean some unidentified cell that is capable of producing energy. "Element X".
Pulse reversible energy source.
It might be difficult. Kapanadze stated that it took him a long time to make a demonstration sample. Maybe these elements of the "current amplifier" are very laborious to manufacture.
I once had a guess. In the workshop of Kapanadze's "Can genarator 2004 ", chasing tools were identified. This is when an image, a picture, is hollowed out on a metal sheet. In the same video, people come to him to discuss a project of work in this area.
Maybe he used same tools to make power cells?
A roll of some kind of cellophane film is visible on the table in the workshop.

Can the production of cells be similar to the production of gold leaf, when a gold plate is placed in a book between sheets of paper and the book is tapped with a hammer, bringing the sheets of gold almost to a transparent state?
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« Reply #2836 on: July 20, 2023, 01:46:11 PM »
I think this approach used to be called "get a snake and hedgehog hybrid." It doesn't work ........

First of all, I did not see in the load line of Kapanadze converter, alternating voltage, even with binoculars. At Kapanadze after the PUSH-PULA and the output winding, there is a diode bridge at the output of the diode bridge is a pulse current, which is smoothed by a capacitor (actually a source of direct current). In the second patent it is just a block circuit, nothing more. Thus the whole "cimus" in the element #9, in the focus of which, the secondary so-called winding, stretched in the form of a power circuit wire.  Yes, this element works as a current generator through voltage drop, or rather EMF, which is induced on this piece of wire. 

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Sergh

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« Reply #2837 on: July 20, 2023, 03:07:23 PM »
First, determine the energy source.

1. Wires do not create energy on their own.

2. Wires do not create more energy than these wires receive from the outside in any way.

3. A magnetic field cannot produce more energy than it takes to create or manipulate it.

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« Reply #2838 on: July 20, 2023, 03:10:50 PM »
This is the same setting  ;D

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« Reply #2839 on: July 20, 2023, 03:28:23 PM »
First, determine the energy source.
1. Wires do not create energy on their own.
2. Wires do not create more energy than these wires receive from the outside in any way.
3. A magnetic field cannot produce more energy than it takes to create it.

The conductor is a closed circuit. Only in a closed circuit on the surface of the conductor is the formation of EMF, vortex electric field, between the source of electric field potential difference. But there is a point here. The current generator absorbs EMF to create the appropriate current; the voltage generator produces EMF to maintain current in the circuit. Current is already a magnetic vortex field converted from an electric field. Physicists call third-party EMF, but what kind of third-party is it? The electronic version is going down the toilet.

All synchronous generators work on the principle of a current generator!   Capa just solved the problem differently. By the way, I had a different version, but Capa's version is also interesting.
 
Budyonny first used high voltage to ignite the arc, and what is on the slide is already a continuation and addition to the patent. Why no patent is the question? More like the same question, why is there no patent of Sergey Borisovich's "Artful Transformer".

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« Reply #2840 on: July 20, 2023, 03:32:40 PM »
This is the same setting  ;D
The image is blurry and the winding of the bobbin seems to be different in diameter.  In the middle is white electrical tape.It looks like the coil has been modified.
Budyonny first used high voltage to ignite the arc,
Uh, first. But the first  was only in Russia. Read  about the "Welding Oscillator" and think about what Budyonny has to do with it.
Low-power welding transformer. According to reviews of the "Rusich" apparatus, welding was poor because there was not enough power and the device overheated until the plastic case melted.Let's not involve Budyonny in this topic.

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« Reply #2841 on: July 20, 2023, 03:41:32 PM »
Sergh: It's just that the elements are in the same places.

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« Reply #2842 on: July 20, 2023, 03:47:03 PM »
Read  about the "Welding Oscillator" and think about what Budyonny has to do with it.

The welder diagram may be relevant for some solutions, but it is not the same as a diagram with ferrites inside.

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« Reply #2843 on: July 20, 2023, 03:49:23 PM »
Can Hedgehog and Viper be crossed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D43bipwBVgs


At one time I used this principle to make a reactor for oxygen-free "kreging" of gasoline vapors on board a car. The spark was good, but I had to say goodbye to a part of my teeth and periosteum, so now I bypass arresters by the tenth way. 

The capa has a small spark for the pulse. You can pump a magnetic field, but you can also pump an electric field, probably the mouthpiece did it. At least that's my theory.

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« Reply #2844 on: July 20, 2023, 03:52:12 PM »
The welder diagram may be relevant for some solutions, but it is not the same as a diagram with ferrites inside.

It is undeniable (not equal), but the principle is identical in my opinion. I have described it all in my work.
What if!? Devils sometimes make jokes!   ;)
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« Reply #2845 on: July 20, 2023, 03:57:41 PM »
Sergh: It's just that the elements are in the same places.
Don't know. The picture is blurry. But what's the difference? Maybe Kapanadze had some other intermediate version of the generator with KZ106 diodes, for example, 2 kilowatts.
How do you estimate the power of the spark in the spark gap?
The spark is very weak in these generators and barely visible. I think for this spark is need not more as 20 - 50 watts from power supply.
The voltage on the spark gap should be 5-8 kilovolts for a guaranteed breakdown. What will be the average current? About 4..7 milliamps. A weak source will not burn any of these diodes.
The only question is the current in the pulse. But the spark is weak, I think that the storage capacitor before the spark gap has a very small capacitance, up to hundreds of picofarads. The max energy per pulse for these diodes probably cannot be found in old datasheets.

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« Reply #2846 on: July 20, 2023, 04:18:31 PM »
Don't know. The picture is blurry. But what's the difference? Maybe Kapanadze had some other intermediate version of the generator with KZ106 diodes, for example, 2 kilowatts.
How do you estimate the power of the spark in the spark gap?
The spark is very weak in these generators and barely visible. I think for this spark is need not more as 20 - 50 watts from power supply.
The voltage on the spark gap should be 5-8 kilovolts for a guaranteed breakdown. What will be the average current? About 4..7 milliamps. A weak source will not burn any of these diodes.
The only question is the current in the pulse. But the spark is weak, I think that the storage capacitor before the spark gap has a very small capacitance, up to hundreds of picofarads. The max energy per pulse for these diodes probably cannot be found in old datasheets.

I checked when the spark looked purple-blue and it was quiet. It looked best when I used ZVS + TDK around 50Khz. Without diode. You could say it was pure sine.

There may possibly be two spark gap.

The spark gap can be a protector and the copper coil is like a coax. Then sparkgap takes what exceeds the voltage.

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« Reply #2847 on: July 20, 2023, 09:51:04 PM »
I checked when the spark looked purple-blue and it was quiet. It looked best when I used ZVS + TDK around 50Khz. Without diode. You could say it was pure sine.

There may possibly be two spark gap.

The spark gap can be a protector and the copper coil is like a coax. Then sparkgap takes what exceeds the voltage.
Of course it could be anything. But the picture shows only one spark gap. Foil can be used for heat dissipation.
Once I used 4 KZ106G diodes connected in parallel to rectify 2.6 kilovolts 30 kilohertz 200 watts. 20 milliamps per diode. It worked fine.
For this diodes in datasheet max current is 10 milliamps, but this is for a wide temperature range and for long-term operation.
When use this diodes for a short time, they can withstand a much higher current.
Somehow there was a short circuit in the load, the diodes got very hot and droplets of some kind of metal appeared on one diode outside the case. Probably something inside melted and the metal leaked out. Even after that, the diode worked, but I did not test it at rated voltage and after then threw it away.
For a nanosecond pulse generator, these diodes did not fit. They generated pulses, but too long.

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« Reply #2848 on: July 21, 2023, 06:03:55 AM »
AGAIN WHY KAPA USED A COPPER PIPE AS HIS PRIMARY OF HIS TESLA COIL? WHY NOT JUST A THICK
WIRE . REASON THE SECRET IS WHAT IS IN THAT COPPER PIPE. INERT CONDUCTIVE GAS. IT HAS DO WITH
THE CAVITY RESONANCE OF THE GAS AND SKIN EFFECT. TESLA HIMSELF CONCLUDED THAT CERTAIN
CONDUCTIVE GAS AT LOW PRESSURE IS VERY LOW RESISTIVE TO HIGH FREQUENCY CURRENT.

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« Reply #2849 on: July 21, 2023, 07:16:37 AM »
AGAIN WHY KAPA USED A COPPER PIPE AS HIS PRIMARY OF HIS TESLA COIL? WHY NOT JUST A THICK
WIRE . REASON THE SECRET IS WHAT IS IN THAT COPPER PIPE. INERT CONDUCTIVE GAS. IT HAS DO WITH
THE CAVITY RESONANCE OF THE GAS AND SKIN EFFECT. TESLA HIMSELF CONCLUDED THAT CERTAIN
CONDUCTIVE GAS AT LOW PRESSURE IS VERY LOW RESISTIVE TO HIGH FREQUENCY CURRENT.

Kapanadze solved the problem of transforming element No. 9 from a Transformer into a Current Generator (Current Amplifier).
Why, to get EMF on the conductor in the focus of the magnetic circuit and changing this magnetic field, when this same EMF can be obtained in a much more budgetary way. The main thing is to make it work on a conductor in the power circuit. You need to make the transformer work as a generator.   

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      Current generator and voltage generator. What is the difference? What is a current generator and what are the areas of its application.
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      On work it was necessary to find any clear description of what is a current generator (current stabilizer, current source), its areas of application and examples of calculation. Nothing acceptable could not be found.

The stupidity of physicists in explaining these two different generation devices is not perceived by practitioners. Example above (nothing clear in the explanation of the difference did not find) But everything is very simple on the principle of action of the source in maintaining the Force of current (I) at a given voltage in the circuit (U) in a circuit with a load (R): I = U/R; For a complete simple circuit need the resistance of the Source (r), then the formula will have the form: I = U/(R+r) The voltage drop Ui = IR (potential difference) is the condition for the occurrence of current in the circuit I = U/(R+r) and on the circuit section, the load: I = U/R The total EMF must have the form:  E = U + Ui

In a voltage generator (the best known is a battery), to hold the voltage, a chemical reaction produces this missing EMF value (Ui ), which turns into a current. In a current generator (the best known is a synchronous generator with a magnetic rotor), the total EMF E = U + Ui is the generator's idle voltage.
When connecting the load R, to the generator phase terminals, with its winding resistance r, to charge the battery (let's take an illustrative example) with voltage Ub (the same as the mains voltage), the formula for calculating the current will take the form: 

I = (E - Ub) / (R + r), where (E - Ub) = Ui   

For both voltage generator and current generator sources, the formula for the current in the loop will be general: I = Ui / (R + r)


Based on the topology of the transformer, to turn a transformer into a generator, it is necessary to make the currents in the turns of the input winding and the output winding flow in the same direction. That in a traditional transformer, is only observed in the reverse-phase version, with the EMF induced from the magnetic field of the core, a pure generator. Achieving linearity of the current pulse while maintaining EMF is virtually impossible without a sub-magnetization system. 

For the second solution, we need to provide sufficient primary voltage with the lowest possible current.  In order to exclude the transformer connection, we need another source included in series with our element, which will ensure the flow of current in the circuit and in the core of the element in the desired direction, In this variant there is a hope that the primary voltage will act only by transferring EMF to the secondary power core. Then the core will be electrically polarized and there will be a corresponding voltage drop, because the field will tend to close in the circuit and equilibrate, forming a corresponding current in the core of the circuit.

Optimal, however, is when the primary coils are located perpendicular to the core of the power winding. What we actually observe according to the figure, which with a very high degree of probability can be attributed to the authorship of Kapanadze.

Kapanadze has solved this problem!  It is possible that his element No. 9 is a symbiosis of a current generator and a voltage generator.  And the power circuit is more DC than AC.

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