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Author Topic: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum  (Read 418975 times)

Offline Belfior

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #270 on: July 08, 2018, 11:03:56 PM »
https://youtu.be/qdJ1V_yDv-c

Wesley

Hah! Even TheOldScientist agrees with me. He is even saying "try to understand what I am saying!"

His input is 7V and some amps for covering copper losses. He is charging a cap with 165V. With that input. So how many Farads you need to run selflooped with 165V?

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #271 on: July 08, 2018, 11:05:35 PM »
Hi Hoppy. Kapanadze was not connected to the grid however.
You can not draw any significant power from the grid with just
a single earth ground connection, unless maybe you are directly
under high tension power lines.

Agreed but we cannot be sure that there was not a concealled earth connected to grid neutral.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #272 on: July 08, 2018, 11:14:49 PM »
Hah! Even TheOldScientist agrees with me. He is even saying "try to understand what I am saying!"

His input is 7V and some amps for covering copper losses. He is charging a cap with 165V. With that input. So how many Farads you need to run selflooped with 165V?

Hi Belfior. It is not about comparing input voltage to output voltage however.
It is about comparing average input power to average output power.
It takes power to charge capacitors. People sometimes forget this in their enthusiasm.
Having a sparkgap and/or earth grounds in the mix could possibly/potentially allow pulling in extra energy from the environment however.

We should not try to draw any conclusions from any test which is not self looped or which does make an accurate
measurement of average input power and average output power.

That should be every free energy experimenters motto to live and breath by. :)



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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #272 on: July 08, 2018, 11:14:49 PM »
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Offline Belfior

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #273 on: July 08, 2018, 11:14:50 PM »
so if the secondary is looped with a cap so they are in resonance, then the cap will charge immediately, because there is no resistance?

You could charge a 9000V cap instantly with 7V input and maybe 200mA using a tesla coil or a flyback. Then if the freq is high, then the cap charges 200k times per second. That is a lot of charge going in, if the output side (trafo&inverter&mains voltage?) pulls 230V 60Hz

TheOldScientist tried to tell the viewers to try to understand. He basically says "if you can charge a capacitor to 165V with 7V 200mA input, there is a lot of charge there!"

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #274 on: July 08, 2018, 11:21:07 PM »
Please read my  answer to Hoppy up there
You can always have one physical and another  virtual ground  and.... elevation potential .
Watch my video  again please my friends
 I actually posted how to build traditional first version of TK with spark gap. I just did not point at some details .
Wesley
So are you referring to the elevated 'washing line' from tree to roadside in Kapanadze's garden green box demo as the virtual ground and elevation potential?

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #275 on: July 08, 2018, 11:36:56 PM »
So are you referring to the elevated 'washing line' from tree to roadside in Kapanadze's garden green box demo as the virtual ground and elevation potential?
You want me to stop every few minutes on the  highway?
I'm driving now. joke:)
No Im only saying that  ionization depends from  voltage potential.
You can be underground who cares.
however you can make it easier by being higher.
Instead of playing  with just telluric  current.
Old Scientist  said it. about antenna system.
OK guys I will not stop for next few hours
The terrain is bumpy here  (Mountains).
Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #276 on: July 09, 2018, 12:01:27 AM »
A couple of Kapanadze quotes:

Kapanadze - at 8:38 in the 'Green Box' video demo:
"Some think that the device uses stray currents.
I would argue the opposite.
It is not of travelling fields and stray currents.
There is one thing, we take the energy from the environment.
The unit is assembled on the principle of Tesla."

Kapanadze - at 55:05: in the 'Green Box' video demo:
Between us speaking, grounding it is not required.
Instead of grounding, it is necessary to use a small circuit.


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Offline Hoppy

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #277 on: July 09, 2018, 12:09:12 AM »
Kapanadze - at 8:38 in the 'Green Box' video demo:

"Some think that the device uses stray currents.
I would argue the opposite.
It is not of travelling fields and stray currents.
There is one thing, we take the energy from the environment.
The unit is assembled on the principle of Tesla."
OK. I'll take that as a tentative yes. Wishing you a safe journey.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #278 on: July 09, 2018, 12:34:21 AM »
Theorizing is good, but if you can't demonstrate it on the bench it is only ideas.
Many seeming 'good ideas' and 'explanations' can quickly fall to pieces when put to a proper bench test.
I can testify to that. :)


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« Reply #278 on: July 09, 2018, 12:34:21 AM »
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #279 on: July 09, 2018, 01:47:28 AM »
Theorizing is good, but if you can't demonstrate it on the bench it is only ideas.
Many seeming 'good ideas' and 'explanations' can quickly fall to pieces when put to a proper bench test.
I can testify to that. :)
the green box do'dar'dit is just a copy of the don smith device !    simple !  and so obvious!

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #280 on: July 09, 2018, 02:15:44 AM »
the green box do'dar'dit is just a copy of the don smith device !    simple !  and so obvious!

Hi AG. There definitely seems to be close similarities.
I have pointed this out before as well. :)
Whether it is coincidence or not, who can say for sure?


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #280 on: July 09, 2018, 02:15:44 AM »
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #281 on: July 09, 2018, 02:52:38 AM »
A side note:
You will often hear people in FE forums saying things like 'science is BS',
or 'science is all a big lie'. They say this at the same time that they use super sophisticated
computers and the internet, and radio and TV, and cell phones with very sophisticated electro-chemical batteries, etc.
Very clearly and obviously science is not 'all BS' and it is not 'all a big lie'.  Most of us use computers
and radio and TV and cell phones and microwave ovens, etc., etc., on a regular basis, so obviously 'science' actually
has a lot of things right, and technology makes very practical use of that understanding.

On the other side of the coin there is an arrogance in people assuming that science (as some sort of body)
'has it all figured out' or that everything that is currently believed and 'understood' by scientists is 'completely accurate'
and a 'complete picture'.

My view is that the state of 'scientific knowledge' as it is today is impressive, given where we were
only a few hundred years ago in our understanding, but I think it is unwise for people to blindly
hold to the notion that current scientific views and beliefs and understanding represent a complete and totally
accurate picture of how things may really be. Much of what is understood seems to be quite correct within a certain
framework or within certain limitations at least, but some things may not be entirely correct from a different
framework or outside of certain limitations.

It is human nature for people to take their current views and beliefs and understanding as absolute fact, and
anything outside of that 'sphere' is assumed to be false. However, realistically speaking, the chances are that
there are still many wonders to discover in the future, and certain things that may be taken as 'fact' and 'laws'
now may be modified to some extent or other in the future as our understanding continues to advance.
Much of what we understand in science should be considered as 'models' of reality. Some of those 'models' of
understanding may need to be modified or added onto once in a while as our understanding progresses.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

Leaving the door open to new understandings not previously imagined or considered seems wise,
but still, when it comes to FE, if you can't prove it on the bench then it is not of much practical use,
whether some new concept may be valid to some extent or other or not... :)



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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #282 on: July 09, 2018, 09:48:57 AM »
Many seeming 'good ideas' and 'explanations' can quickly fall to pieces when put to a proper bench test.
I can testify to that. :)
Yes, indeed! However, the environmental conditions, geology and infrastructure in the vicinity of the bench may be of utmost importance for success.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #283 on: July 09, 2018, 03:10:46 PM »
Yes, indeed! However, the environmental conditions, geology and infrastructure in the vicinity of the bench may be of utmost importance for success.

Hi Hoppy. Aye, that does seem to be a real possibility to consider with these setups.


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #284 on: July 09, 2018, 04:06:12 PM »
Hi Hoppy. Aye, that does seem to be a real possibility to consider with these setups.
Drilling down into this, Kapanadze mentioned that he was worried about demonstrating the Aqua 2 device during a thunderstorm. Thunderstorms are apparently quite common during the Summer months in Georgia. In an electrified and muggy atmosphere, a long aeriel wire might well produce a reasonably good charge to storage caps, which in turn could deliver a fairly steady arc across a carefully adjusted spark gap. It has been suggested that the spark gap is just eye candy but maybe the spark is an essential requirement and important clue to the operation of all Kapanadze's devices.

 

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