Kapanadze and other FE discussion

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Dear Wesley.

The design resembles the Brayton ( closed ) cycle from the 1870’s era. His cycle is now much more commonly seen as the open or Jet engine principle. George B. Brayton, an American inventor is now almost forgotten but, at the time had invented a far superior IC engine design than the more well known Otto atmospheric engines.

I don’t see how your rotor is supposed to rotate within the housing? Effectively you’re just filling a space with an expanding gas. You would need to have the chamber alter in volume to get any work from the expansion via the rotor. Effectively the Wankel engine.

I have been very slowly building a 1/3rd scale model of a Brayton Ready-Motor that was presented at the Paris exhibition.

Cheers Graham.

Wow thank you . thank you thank you for being here long time  ...
comment more please, I just  woke up.
You right  this engine needs  hand cranking a  first  like typical gasoline  engine  of your youth or w/cranking motor.
The energy  accumulates in  flying wheel , and  only after that  the motor  is ready  for work.
 
I didn't check yet a Brayton Ready-Motor  I just got my morning coffee.
Wesley

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stelzer_engine#/media/File%3ASt-ani1-mittel.gif
Thank you very much lancaIV for  your. contribution .
Wesley

[Grumage]

Dear Wesley.

No amount of flywheel will make the rotor turn with the present rendition, You’re just pressurising a chamber. You need to have the rotor able to move within a space that allows for expansion.

https://media.giphy.com/media/8QwLCDBTXAyxa/giphy.gif

Cheers Graham.

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Wesley
As mentioned in Off forum discussions I had never seen such a combustion chamber
(Also was having a hard time imagining flow in the quadrants of drive section)
  I did ask Grumage about floating piston ,since he is an aficionado of internal combustion history
And has many pieces on display in museums!
 He mentioned one which predated Otto cycle ( his contribution here .
As you know I have similar concerns with engine …( I acknowledge it is an evolving principle)
  However your German find here ]https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:St-ani1-mittel.gif#
Is interesting, perhaps kator may have ability to comment if it was ever produced
Or ?
I can find no parts or engineer drawings, and seems springs or cushioning is happening in connecting rod ?
Again I acknowledge your design here is something you are evolving in spare time !
Respectfully
Chet K

[Grumage]

Don’t stop musing….

There’s many an idea that can evolve from a simple thought.

I’m currently developing an emissionless IC engine, totally sealed process. We’re at the “ getting stuff together “ stage and waiting for the weather to improve before setting out into my workshop. You’ll be pleased to know it also involves Hydrogen…. 

Historically the first “ true “ commercially available IC engine was invented by Ettiene Lenoir closely followed by NA Otto. Both these engines used atmospheric pressure acting upon the piston to make the power. George B. Brayton was the first to use a volatile mixture of air and gas, under pressure to act upon the piston and under combustion the expansion made the power. Sadly, short lived as Otto went on to invent the now well known 4 cycle/stroke with even greater power and thermal efficiency.

Cheers Graham.

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Dear Wesley.

No amount of flywheel will make the rotor turn with the present rendition, You’re just pressurising a chamber. You need to have the rotor able to move within a space that allows for expansion.

https://media.giphy.com/media/8QwLCDBTXAyxa/giphy.gif

Cheers Graham.

There is hole in the bottom of  engine chamber that is periodically closed by the moving rotor, than retention tank is blocked from it.
At that very moment  pressure from  retention tank is pumping combustion chamber from the left side causing piston to move to the right.
Air is compressible, and  we need the volume in  retention tank.
Than spark comes and ignites fuel vapor.
Because of flywheel inertial  momentum  the cross moves and opens the hole in the  engine compartment delivering another portion of  air to  retention tank
and process starts all over.
But the motor will  need to  be cranked  prior to  start, if not it will not move.
I'm still working on the design it may take some time.
Wesley

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We have three parts that are separate  but working together.
 -The external combustion chamber .
- The retention tank
- The engine
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We allow the mechanism  design of the motor  to be any, just any  convenient.
so it doesn't have to be  any particular one but we say that we don't want to change  the design of combustion chamber.
That engine is able to use air to push back the piston  to the right  so it is ready  for next ignition .

_{- linear to rotary motion conversion having  linear piston "actuator" in combustion chamber, while rotary motion can be supplied
by either a vane type air motor, piston air motor, air turbine or gear type motor or any combination of it.}

In  physics The motor( concept) is not important - important is solving a problem when you  are pushed to the corner. 


Wesley

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1. - in regular  engine we need 15 parts of air and 1 part of  gasoline.
2. - in hydrogen engine we need 180 parts of air  and 1 part hydrogen

reg 1 link:
https://carbiketech.com/air-fuel-ratio-principle-theory/
reg 2 link:
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1123676_the-8-differences-between-gasoline-and-hydrogen-engines
but when we compare  not  air to  hydrogen ratio but oxygen to hydrogen ratio it comes to  2:1
here is a link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen#:
 
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reg 1 comment:
In regular  engine.
The carburetor’s main function is to mix the fuel with air in a perfect ratio.
So we can prepare any mixture we need  or we can  introduce fuel injection there.
The same story is  with Hydrogen  engine.
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for hydrogen it takes up far more space in a combustion chamber (30% to 1-2%), which reduces its power output compared to the more power-dense gasoline

so what?  Let's  make combustion chamber bigger . The engine  will still be much smaller than the  traditional one.

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After power stroke  gases from the combustion chamber must be removed :
The needed mechanism  was added  and shown on the picture.







Wesley

[Grumage]

Dear Wesley.

I was not privy to the thread that you’ve referred to recently but I guess this is your original submission?

https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg574213/#msg574213

The rotor being concentric to the housing will not rotate. The admission of the expanding gasses will act on all faces simultaneously, basically locking up the rotor.

You have lost me completely with your subsequent renditions. It appears over complicated to the now rather simple IC engines and gas turbines that we have around us today.

Perhaps these attached images will pique your curiosity of an engine that “ never was “ one whose fuel efficiency was better than anything of its time ( 1905 ) and if in use today would also drastically reduce NOX emissions too.

Here in the UK a household name, JCB, for excavation equipment are pioneering the use of Hydrogen fuel for their machines.

https://www.jcb.com/en-gb/campaigns/hydrogen

Cheers Graham.

[stivep]

Dear Wesley.
I was not privy to the thread that you’ve referred to recently but I guess this is your original submission?
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg574213/#msg574213
The rotor being concentric to the housing will not rotate. The admission of the expanding gasses will act on all faces simultaneously, basically locking up the rotor.
You have lost me completely with your subsequent renditions. It appears over complicated to the now rather simple IC engines and gas turbines that we have around us today.
Perhaps these attached images will pique your curiosity of an engine that “ never was “ one whose fuel efficiency was better than anything of its time ( 1905 ) and if in use today would also drastically reduce NOX emissions too.
Here in the UK a household name, JCB, for excavation equipment are pioneering the use of Hydrogen fuel for their machines.
https://www.jcb.com/en-gb/campaigns/hydrogen

Cheers Graham.

I stated in original first comment  that

So now by me the structure was  changed.
I went to  concentric design.

So  it is  absolutely different design.
Mechanism of motor part  from Engine  chamber, was improperly presented on the picture  for example:
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/dlattach/attach/189760/
It came from the fact that I was gradually  adding elements of it in new comments and that what made it looks like wrong design.
Simply to say I didn't use (forgot) my 3D program for some time confusing  the audience  and today I made some clean up

However it was not motor mechanism that  was important  to me.
But piston driven portion  of entire structure .
So  please  leave on the side  the part  talking  about motor mechanism siting in Engine  Chamber in your analysis  for now. 
 
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Motor mechanism in  Engine  Chamber  was stated by me  it can  be any - any convenient that changes  linear to rotary  motion.
The structure can be analyzed  without motor mechanism and that what I discussed with Chet correcting design accordingly.
At the present time:
-  Piston function was explained
-  Combustion gas removal addition was presented.
 After  all issues in regards to the design ( if there are any)  are solved I may have time  to  come back to  engine mechanism in the  engine chamber.
 However  at the very moment  I don't see any additional problems  (if we exclude  the motor mechanism from Engine Chamber)
 I will  fallow the mentioned  with  corresponding pictures explaining elements of the design
 I do appreciate your critical  approach Grumage and please  comment it  more.




Wesley

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Wesley
As mentioned I am still unsure of how you manage this part of design ?
“Combustion chamber — system management “
 Is good you ask for more input , for clarity I refer to your quote below.


Wesley
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The structure can be analyzed  without motor mechanism and that what I discussed with Chet correcting design accordingly.At the present time:-  Piston function was explained   Combustion gas removal addition was presented. After  all issues in regards to the design ( if there are any)  are solved I may have time  to  come back to  engine mechanism in the  engine chamber.However  at the very moment  I don't see any additional problems  (if we exclude  the motor mechanism from Engine Chamber)
End quote
Respectfully
Chet K
Ps please feel free to manage my text/posting as it all goes screwy when I press send !

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Wesley

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part A
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Part B
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_{Part C  was explained here: picture: for Chet 1.jpg
 Re: Wesley's  Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum « Reply #3956 on: February 20, 2023, 11:37:45 PM »}
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Steps of process.
Wesley