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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2250 on: February 18, 2019, 06:05:31 PM »
a movie here from Geographic society ,mentions Zenneck waves at 6 min mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=368&v=wFiW2lqdnlM
from topic about thermionic tech and pending public release [ambient harvesting with energy densities to industrial use levels with daisy chaining , mentioned around 23.40  min mark
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/21105-nano-boxx-24-7-electric-power-using-only-ambient-heat.html

respectfully Chet K

Thank you for the link Chet  K
let me know when you  need  the cryogenic flask.

Wesley
« Last Edit: February 19, 2019, 11:12:55 PM by stivep »

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2251 on: February 20, 2019, 12:43:48 PM »
I do apologize Dear F6FLT, but I  set my position clear.
If I find anything valuable in your posts  worth  to make it public, it  will likely be published.
Wesley

I'm just motivated by the scientific truth. 
excellent paper from an ukrainian-japanese team .
About the above link, this is really the most comprehensive study I have seen on the subject, with many experimental results.


« Last Edit: February 20, 2019, 05:03:57 PM by stivep »

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2252 on: February 20, 2019, 05:05:40 PM »
New technical information  can be approved and  be appreciated.
Please avoid other information and opinions.
Please  do not formulate  demands and requests.
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« Reply #2252 on: February 20, 2019, 05:05:40 PM »
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2253 on: February 20, 2019, 05:15:07 PM »
New technical information  can be approved and  be appreciated.
Wesley


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About the above link, this is really the most comprehensive study I have seen on the subject, with many experimental results.
We see that attenuations at Schumann frequencies are considerable, e. g. more than 140 to 150 dB over distances of the order of 16,000 to 18,000 Km, although the attenuation per Mm is low (about 1 dB): indeed they are essentially standing waves, not progressive, so the attenuation is global when we establish them.
There are some causes of attenuation that I hadn't thought of, such as the resistivity of the air, which increases it even more, or the 11-year cycle of solar activity.
A simple way to find out is to test the mains frequencies of 50 and 60 Hz. In Europe, where t he frequency is 50 Hz, the 60 Hz signal from America, generated by thousands of amperes travelling in thousands of kilometers of high-voltage lines powered by hundreds of KV, is barely above the background noise!
The idea that standing waves of an amplitude compatible with energy transmission can exist around the earth as in a copper waveguide with high Q factor, is simply ridiculous, and supported by no facts.

Another point not yet mentioned is that these waves are ordinary radio waves whose electric field is vertically polarized. It is known that a waveguide cannot pass signals whose half wavelength is longer than the size of its opening . The ionized layers at the highest point culminate at 800 km, but Schumann's wavelengths are more than 5000 km! Unlike science fiction, what Schumann's resonances can transmit in the "tunnel" between the earth's surface and the ionized layers is therefore only an evanescent wave, which explains its weakness.
We can think that part of the electric field escapes above 800 km of the ionized layers because they are not perfect reflectors, but then these layers constituting a conductive medium will weaken them. There are also induced currents in the ground, which is not a perfect reflector either, so that in the end the attenuation is enormous. Add to that the impossibility of radiating these waves efficiently because it would require antennas more than 1000 Km high. With the highest we could do, say 300 m, it would be like trying to transmit AM radio with a 25 cm antenna! And now we're only talking about radio signals. For energy over 18000 Km, 99.9999999999999% would be lost en route (1 40-150 dB). It is understandable why there has never been any practical application
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2254 on: February 20, 2019, 05:51:29 PM »
   It seams that there is more to this wireless transfer of electricity than we may be aware of. 
   Tesla did mention that it was the way to power cars, planes, ships, and aircraft. And he may have known more about this subject than what our current scientists have been able to come up with and prove, up to now.   Look at how many towers are shown at minute 1, in the video below.
   These towers may be amplifier/repeaters, especially in Texas, so that an original weak wireless signal can be used, with an increased area of coverage. Not necessary for the main tower to transmit all around the world. Yet, they want to transmit to satelites that will further re-transmit electricity to Japan, and other places. What are the negative effects of all this, is unknown, or unreleased to the public as yet.

   https://youtu.be/yTHV_Wk8tao
   

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« Reply #2255 on: February 20, 2019, 06:18:22 PM »
   It seams that there is more to this wireless transfer of electricity than we may be aware of. 
   Tesla did mention that it was the way to power cars, planes, ships, and aircraft.
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We know that. We know also that he failed, as well as all those who have tried for a century.

The idea is not wrong in principle, but its implementation is only possible in the near field, so less than a wavelength.
So we think that by lowering the frequency, we'll be able to transmit far, but no! Because the size of the radiating elements must also be of the order of the wavelength (at least a quarter, otherwise they are completely inefficient). So we can't make them work at Schumann's frequencies.
The device works at short distance, for example to recharge a smartphone. And even over short distances there are many losses (40 to 80%), incompatible with high energies.

Tesla had in mind a longitudinal wave in which case one might think that the attenuation would not be the same. Unfortunately, no experiment has ever proven their existence. Everything I have seen on the subject (Van Vlaenderen, Zhakatayev, Meyl, Monstein) shows either wild interpretations of phenomena that can be explained very well by classical electromagnetism, or trivial experimental biases. My own experiments with a 2 KHz signal transmission over 50 m only, has verified Maxwell electromagnetism and only a classical capacitive coupling.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2256 on: February 20, 2019, 07:09:07 PM »
   Well, it may be that Tesla was not needing to use a field such as the Schumann wave guide, at all.
As we don't know just at what frequency he was working with, it may be that the proper frequency and wave type match may have nothing to do with this Earth resonant frequency. Which is now changing all the time. He did mention concerning the energy found everywhere as the "Cosmic Soup", as the primary source of energy. Not limited to this planet, but found though out all space, as well. Some might call it dark energy, etz...

   I agree that normal small scale wireless tests have resulted in a very limited distance of operation, of just a couple of meters or so. But, there may be things we don't yet know about all this.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2258 on: February 20, 2019, 09:05:43 PM »
F6FLT  voiced his opinion and I must disagree with his point of view.
In my personal expertise, he has wrong approach to this particular phenomena and energy transfer.
Zenneck surface wave does not radiate.!!! that's major point.
In:
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-...498/#msg531498
 https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-...532/#msg531532
 https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-...541/#msg531541
 https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-...589/#msg531589
 https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-...608/#msg531608
 https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-...609/#msg531609

I have explained nature of surface wave , and in particular Zenneck wave.
I see F6FLT as contradicting my own experience in this area .
American investment   of  1/2 billion dollars  in Viziv and billions in total  in capital as well as participation of
Chevron oil company looking to exit oil business before everyone  collapses  is based on hard data of scientists, checked by other American and European scientists.
FCC issued license, influenced by DOE and this all is big.
How big it is?
It is more than total sale or Russian oil for the past 10 years in projection , for the 1 month of system operation.
It is end of pipelines, as to expensive and nonprofitable.And we are talking now only about  A to B energy transfer.
We did not touch yet aspect of  interface and surface wave / natural origin energy fluctuation, and induced response of waveguide due to  immersed active probe.

I have heard an opinion three and a half hours ago, from one of known to me ,very valuable researchers:
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How nice is to have feeling that  I need only  to open my mouth and whole world financial scheme is crumbling down?

You know Wesley?
No ,it does not really make me feel good.

The only question  I have to myself is,
-is it worth to do it,  after all?
 

Wesley
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2259 on: February 21, 2019, 09:16:38 AM »
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2260 on: February 21, 2019, 11:56:50 AM »
F6FLT  voiced his opinion and I must disagree with his point of view.
In my personal expertise, he has wrong approach to this particular phenomena and energy transfer.
Zenneck surface wave does not radiate.!!! that's major point.
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It's not my opinion, it's science.

As surface and Zenneck waves are defined by scientists, here are the scientist's definitions:

   "In physics, a surface wave is a 90 degree wave that propagates along the interface between differing media."

   In physics, "The Zenneck wave propagates parallel to the interface"

   "In physics, radiation is the emission or transmission of energy in the form of waves or particles through space or through a material medium."

Therefore: a wave that propagates, for example a Zenneck wave, being an "emission or transmission of energy in the form of waves through space" is "radiation".


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
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« Reply #2261 on: February 21, 2019, 12:44:41 PM »
   Well, it may be that Tesla was not needing to use a field such as the Schumann wave guide, at all.
As we don't know just at what frequency he was working with, it may be that the proper frequency and wave type match may have nothing to do with this Earth resonant frequency.
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I agree!

There is a large urban legend around Tesla's energy transmission. That's why we have to read Tesla directly. A few years ago, I gathered all his patents here, they are text searchable.

In his patent "US000649621 - Apparatus for transmission of electrical energy - 1900.pdf", Tesla specifies the frequency: 925 Hz.
It is a higher frequency than Schumann's resonances, but with a wavelength of 325 km, any idea of an efficient radiating device at this frequency should be still ruled out until we can make a tower at least 80 km high.   :(

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2262 on: February 21, 2019, 01:25:23 PM »
Dear F6FLT  please do not repeat over and over again the same sentences  every  few posts with no significant value of information fallowing it.
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg531552/#msg531552
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It's not an opinion, it's physics.
Your digression on surface waves and Schumann frequencies is harmful to free energy,
I have  answered  it ,but  you keep ignoring  it my dear F6FLT
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg531575/#msg531575
Wesley responded: You are  protesting against me   providing harm to non specified  "Free Energy"   
Read more in the post.
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Zenneck wave, or surface Wave  works in my lab.
Scientific literature  exists  for each period and here is  summary for 1960 to 1987.
That  includes everything that was known to Naval Weapon Center about  it.
https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a197278.pdf

F6FLT since the beginning takes negating position to every possible  aspect of surface Wave and its science
including any other aspects of energy extraction mentioned  in Wesley's  Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum.
But  he has the rights to do that till he  did not start to put lies into my mouth.

https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg531591/#msg531591
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The burden of proof is only on your side.
You claim that the Kapanadze machine is overunity, so give the proof,
Wesley's  response:
I have never said  in my life that overunity exists.
I have never said that Kapanadze is overunity
This is last time  that you F6FLT had a chance to  put your own lies into my mouth
You have reached your limit.


By that F6FLT was clearly told  my position to the value of  Wesley's  Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum.
It took me  a decade and plenty of my time to earn your attention my dear friends.
In percentage the  majority  of my negative feedback , for the whole period is created by the two barely active accounts SolarLab  and F6FLT
(conformed by my friends licensed operators,  that  for them :
F6FLT  from this forum is not the same, real licensed F6FLT,
Their advice was that anyone of you can check it  easily  by yourself by going to QRZ.com if you wish.
I was told that It takes  few minutes to contact real F6FLT. But for that you need to be licensed operators.
 

It cost me also plenty of my time and money to provide experiments, support labs, travel,make videos and translations mostly from Russian into English.
Value of some experiments involved hundreds of thousands  of  dollars in value of the equipment, and that  was my voluntary contribution to this forum and general knowledge  of the crowd.
example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izzujmKROWI
Value: ( over 200k in microimager and 94k in Ortec., ~20 hours of  preparations and tests, ~33  hours for editing, cutting, redacting, adding sound and publishing)
1 bottle of  compressed gas of scientific grade of Argon and 1 bottle of Triethanolamine.
My gain  = zero dollars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdlkeI0bXy4 (94k value  of equipment.)
I have ~177 Videos  almost  all of them Creative Commons, that means   free to copy and reuse.
surface wave does not radiate:
This  term is used specifically in contexts of specific  properties of surface wave in particular  in Far Field.
If any additional explanation will be requested it will be provided.

But  lack of understanding of that phenomena  leads to targetly stimulated  negation of F6FLT and based on it set of wrongly addressed
discussions.
My impression is that distraction of an attention of the crowd  may be possible goal  of individuals negating  anything and everything.


There till today I have  not seen any positive or supporting posts of F6FLT.
Everything is negation  and/or side-kicking of the main
purpose of my work here for you.

It makes me  to repeat myself and explain that what was already explained over and over again.
Dear F6FLT if you disagree with what is posted here than  please use  other forum topics  to express your opinion   over and over again.

For the good of this community I was  ask many times to moderate  your posts.
I  was told by my Ham friends
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all do respect No fake  impersonated callsigns that belongs to someone else Wesley please.
So by that I understand from these guys that they are deeply offended by the fact that  this
F6FLT  from here - for them is likely fake  that may be impersonating or using as a credit  of trust - real respected  identity  licensed by French Government.

You may  also call it coincidental  as well.
So for these who are interested, you  may recheck  these information for correctness and interpret it adequately.

Please  remember that only technical information is expected to be posted here.
My post was informational and for clarification - means  of verification  of information  posted above are provided.

Wesley
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2263 on: February 21, 2019, 01:46:13 PM »
''WITHOUT PREJUDICE''

https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg531591/#msg531591
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The burden of proof is only on your side.
You claim that the Kapanadze machine is overunity, so give the proof,
Wesley's  response:

I have never said in my life that overunity exists.
No, but does this video you produced prove it does?
end of quote.
((Tariel kapanadze HV generating circuit SHGS)))
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no ofence but can we just kick all this tyersome stuff down the loo  8) 8) and flush it please do!
Well, it looks like a video showing a working device for me!
Also did anyone notice >>>  THE FULL MOON? (depicts the end of hostilities) <<<
Date                   Time                   Native American
February 19   10:53 A.M.   SNOW Full Moon
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« Reply #2264 on: February 21, 2019, 01:55:28 PM »
No it does not.
It is documentation of real event only.
That event is not the prove of me  making any statement that I should be  ashamed of.
I do not feel embarrassed or guilty because of  documenting  actions, characteristics, or associations.
Wesley

 

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