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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2235 on: February 15, 2019, 10:21:23 PM »
Wesley
Do you have a small Cryogenic Dewar we could borrow for some superconductor experiments at one of the open source Labs in USA  also we still have some iron wire to test for "NMR excess energy testing"at several open source labs.please remove if inappropriate

respectfully
Chet K

Yes I  have whole cryogenic lab.
I have chamber to test  electronic elements  in temperature  4K. ( four degrees of Kelvin)
And Yes You can have Dewar  I should have few of them.
Just tell me when.

Wesley.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2236 on: February 16, 2019, 10:35:36 AM »

Surface waves and Schumann's frequencies have absolutely nothing to do with Kapanadze,
wavelengths far too large (> 5000Km) to be compatible with such a small radiant device.
And at these frequencies the losses are so huge that only a slight increase in background noise is detected.

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Answer  by Wesley to F6FLT:
Your opinion is not credible nor educating. You are negating
Please provide :
1. energy origin of Kapanadze device in one post.
2. explain how to make Kapanadze step by step.
3. start to respect  unified form of mutual interaction.
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2237 on: February 16, 2019, 03:16:34 PM »
Dear Reader:
Not  trying to show you who you are,and what is your perception level,  would be polite, as you may have  other values
and I myself  may be at no  capacity to process these  values. Diversity makes  value  of us - The humanity
But here we are having no choice.
You can  start to understand all of that, what  others know better, or pay your bills as usual.

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PART 2.

Major difference but till now the only difference  between  researchers was  method of analysis:
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Lack of answer  about Kapanadze and its clones energy origin  was so inconvenient that most of the forums simply accepted it  as unexplained yet.
That opened areas  of human imagination to scrutiny of all others, the opportunity seekers all around.
Since 2004 ( Kapanadze presentation) and now in 2019 general knowledge  of typical crowd  in area , on and all around Kapanadze  clones is  is pretty deep.
Scientists  although puzzled by Kapanadze   rumor had, too little to stand at, and gain from, and yet,do not lose reputation.

https://teslaresearch.jimdo.com/wardenclyffe-lab-1901-1906/connection-to-earth/proposed-methods-for-terrestrial-resonance/
In 1988, PhD James Corum, (one of two brothers) focused interest of the public,  on to his own private  research of Tesla.
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Some harmonic of the fundamental earth resonant frequency—up to approximately 25 – 35 kHz—is used for the oscillator frequency.
In this frequency range the around-the-world propagation efficiency is in the general area between 93 to 87%.

As the frequency is increased above this point, efficiency further decreases.

At 160 kHz the efficiency falls below 10%. [Corum, K. L. and J. F. Corum,
“Nikola Tesla, Lightning Observations and Stationary Waves,"
Proceedings of the 1994 Colorado Springs Tesla Symposium, 1994, Appendix II, "The Zenneck Surface Wave"]
The oscillatory transformer provides the high voltage alternating current needed to periodically charge the transmitter’s elevated terminal.
A monochromatic subcarrier signal is then added.
This is in the form of an abrupt lower frequency electrical impulse applied at a rate approaching the fundamental earth resonance frequency.
Higher frequency impulses, above the oscillator frequency are also added at every harmonic of the low frequency subcarrier impulse,
be it the fundamental earth resonance frequency or some lower harmonic of same.
[Corum & Corum] While the following quote refers to the use of an RF alternator in conjunction with a resonance transformer to produce continuous waves,
it appears to be applicable to the excitation of earth resonance modes as well.
Number of inventors added small building  blocks:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US3278937A/en
till scientific crowd  around  was ready for
WAVEGUIDE  and TEM, TE, TM  modes.
https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a197278.pdf
This PDF explains all possible science  in this area till  year:1966
and is easy to  understand for these who wants to build Kapanadze today.

(Example: http://www.nuenergy.org/uploads/tesla/US645576.pdf
this patent has a lot  to do with that article.)




Simple summary:
1.Kapanadze coil  represents electrically shortened  HV part of Tesla coil transformer.
2.Everything that you do with HV part of regular Tesla   Coil you can  do  with Kapanadze coil.
3.The only difference is that with regular  Tesla coil you need much much more space  all around.
4. TEM  and TE, TM  modes  of transmission / receiving and taping into "reservoir of" energy are  always the same for all of them.
5. Everything including us - we are walking at that interface earth/air ( think and look only at that sticky area.)
a. This area is also   the wall of Schumann waveguide.
b. This area is also   used by Surface Waves.
6. No matter if you sending  energy from A to B using surface wave, or extracting  energy from  Schumann waveguide you always use surface wave for it.

7. Waveguide has finite geometrical dimensions. It can be:
a  piece of pipe,
b  rectangle,
c  dielectric slab
e  HV car wire
f  electrical wire with  insulation

g  Earth/ air/ionosphere XYZ coordinates  are fixed.
    by that: Locally present surface  wave at the interface has finite parameters  to be exactly
    at this place and  at that frequency.

   Advantage of Kapanadze coil is  quick  dirty method to  tune  piece of wire  to tuned tank.
   the same can be  done by use of Corum Brothers  Tower, calculate angle of incident from   four fundamental  Maxwell  equations, elevating top capacitor and playing  with its capacitance.

   But  Kapanadze went much  more  advanced than  that.
   Instead of using passive antenna he created active interacting antenna to  stimulate the phenomena of.... of the same as would be achievable  with other methods.
  https://youtu.be/zE4GjB1cWLQ?t=606


     
Wesley
« Last Edit: February 20, 2019, 04:29:51 AM by stivep »

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2237 on: February 16, 2019, 03:16:34 PM »
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2238 on: February 16, 2019, 05:04:02 PM »
PART 2a

Example:
https://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg474393/#msg474393
When you look at picture below look at conditions required to lunch or receive or tune into surface wave.

1- phase
2- angle of incident
3. polarization

each twist allows you to  tune whole assembly to parameters of interest using  very short electrically piece of wire.
and using active instead of passive structure.

However  ground must be present and some stability  of that circuitry  as well.
Spark gap is only one of many ways to create voltage potential.
That could be enough at the right length to catch energy, but lack of stability did not make it to last long, except  for SR193,
and few others.

Summary:
1.At no point  it is important  how strong is Schumann resonance
Energy fluctuation inside waveguide is seen  only at interface.And only in form of surface wave.
and there is plenty of energy there.
However  Electromagnetic waves  in space can not see each other and can not interact .
Photons have no idea about  other photons.

2.special condition of interface  has unlimited number of users using surface  wave  at the same time.
That means that you can  tune to  nature or someone e.g Zenneck  Wave.
 But to do that the  few more parameters  need to  match.
 Corum Brothers created polyphase ( multi-phase) signal to make it harder to intercept.

3. All of these  individual surface waves do not see each other, and do not know if there is any  presence of any other  energy in the interface.

4. Tariel Kapanadze  Coil is much more advanced than any Corum Brothers  structure

Wesley
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2239 on: February 17, 2019, 10:01:56 AM »
Surface waves and Schumann's frequencies have absolutely nothing to do with Kapanadze,
wavelengths far too large (> 5000Km) to be compatible with such a small radiant device.
And at these frequencies the losses are so huge that only a slight increase in background noise is detected.


It's not an opinion, it's physics.

Your digression on surface waves and Schumann frequencies is harmful to free energy, no extra energy can come from these conventional physics concepts, by definition. You mix anything with anything, misleading everyone.

Kapanadze device is not proven to work, since it has never been duplicated. Explanations on how what is not proven works make no sense.

Please provide:
1) an operational and working proof of concept that every one can duplicate
2) the experimental protocol and the data from the measurements of your own device


« Last Edit: February 21, 2019, 12:56:17 AM by stivep »

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2240 on: February 17, 2019, 02:10:36 PM »
Resonance alone is not enough to sustain the process. This is just a required element. The source must come from passing through another medium.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2241 on: February 17, 2019, 04:31:35 PM »

This post is actually very well written. It deserves a more intellectual discussion. Yes, I believe you are right. Tesla's longitudinal wave is indeed the TM modes but the power of this T component is usually relatively small.   About the Tesla's comment, the electromagnetic wave he referred to was actually the space wave suggested by Hertz. Hertz tried to prove that energy can propagate without movement of charges but Tesla disagreed.


(P.S. I cannot understand why the comments from the trolls can attract more attention than the intellectual posts like this one. )



Hi Wesley,
Reading backwards I just read you were Ill, I am very sorry.  If you one handle the raw garlic cloves this is amazing for heal all things like cancer but in the case of lung issues this is another arena as some are sensitive to the fumes.  Raw vegetables and pure water seem to cure everything. Even if not ones thing the raw vegetable diet can be done for a few weeks to bring everything back. Meat has too much energy and toxins if not burned up by extreme physical activity or a child's high metabolism and is not good for getting over things except in broth.  One on a healing regimen should stay away from fried oily food and sugars, these block the healing capacities of ones body.  As you are a very sharp guy this is likely old news.

I wish you well!


In response to to something you said a few posts back to the effect as there being no such thing as longitudinal waves:  The longitudinal wave is a bit of a misnomer as it is better defined a mode but comes from the opposing pressure component of modulation and polarity bias.  One could say for FM as example  induced stress in the opposite vector of the AM transverse so is longitudinal.  Vectors generally react in 90 degree offset to one another. Push the ends of a beer can and the center pops out...  Similarly we have the electric and magnetic at 90 degrees so depending on which direction one is observing stress from, one is transverse and the other longitudinal.  One can be shielded by a Faraday cage and the other cannot even by lead. 

And how many Tesla's of flux would you like with your order today...

". . . the apparatus which I devised was an apparatus enabling one to produce tremendous differences of potential and currents in an antenna circuit. These requirements must be fulfilled, whether you transmit by currents of conduction, or whether you transmit by electromagnetic waves.  You want high potential currents, you want a great amount of vibratory energy; but you can graduate this vibratory energy.  By proper design and choice of wave lengths, you can arrange it so that you get, for instance, 5 percent in these electromagnetic waves and 95 percent in the current that goes through the earth.  That is what I am doing.  Or, you can get, as these radio men, 95 percent in the energy of electromagnetic waves and only 5 percent in the energy of the current.  The apparatus is suitable for one or the other method.  I am not producing radiation in my system; I am suppressing electromagnetic waves.  But, on the other hand, my apparatus can be used effectively with electromagnetic waves.  The apparatus has nothing to do with this new method except that it is the only means to practice it.  So that in my system, you should free yourself of the idea that there is radiation, that energy is radiated.  It is not radiated; it is conserved." Nikola Tesla

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2242 on: February 17, 2019, 06:07:08 PM »
PART 3.



Resonance alone is not enough to sustain the process. This is just a required element. The source must come from passing through another medium.

If we consider that we want to start with Schumann resonance, for example 26.4Hz for the first resonator and for the coil 1/4 = 105.6Hz, and this frequency is considered our second resonator we already have 422,4 Hz on the second coil. Assuming that we can do this many times, we get many repetitions.
Unfortunately the  answer is not that easy.
The few ways :
One is to calculate all variables starting from four fundamental Maxwell  equations, with surface wave in mind.
calculate each section place two of them together, and check against the sample.
However  parameters of  polarization, phase and frequency can be known to us if we transmit from A to B. at first, and than use
our experience to move lower in frequency. So playing   at first with  Tx/Rx  pair is your mandatory experience  before you move to Schumann  waveguide surface wave components.
The same antenna of our Tx  or Rx (pair)  = our receiving antenna for our surface wave in Schumann  Waveguide.


At best we can say :
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I'm looking at  20-40kHz region because some PhD James Corum brother said it in  1988 when  he was young and believing is humanity rather than  hard cash.
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg531532/#msg531532



Wesley
link to picture below:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US4751515A/en

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2243 on: February 17, 2019, 06:22:23 PM »
To F6FLT:
Your answer is  in form of Negation 
...
That's just your point of view, which is not scientific.
The burden of proof is only on your side. You claim that the Kapanadze machine is overunity, so give the proof,



After this lie  the rest of F6FLT comment was truncated by  ( Wesley)


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« Reply #2244 on: February 17, 2019, 06:36:00 PM »
That's just your point of view, which is not scientific.

The burden of proof is only on your side. You claim that the Kapanadze machine is overunity, so give the proof,


Wesley's  response:
I have never said  in my life that overunity exists.
I have never said that Kapanadze is overunity
This is last time  that you F6FLT had a chance to  put your own lies into my mouth
 
Wesley
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« Reply #2245 on: February 17, 2019, 08:37:48 PM »
Simple answer: this is the principle Kapanadze devices !

The standing wave is a reflection from the ground with the help of TT. This is the main rule! Spark gap is just an interlude for the TT inductor as in Tesla.
You can search for reflection by measuring V-SWR for antennas.


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2246 on: February 17, 2019, 10:59:51 PM »
PART4
Yes  the mechanism you explained is one of mechanisms, behind Kapanadze/clones.




Other mechanisms:


1. Think about vertically polarized standing wave.
It is bouncing  back and  forth in Cartesian XYZ space
(You can also imagine Euclidean geometrical  space)

At certain point, after  e.g 55 bounces velocity of envelope ( rybka)( the fishes) https://youtu.be/7pE83oajjoo?t=517 upper right corner
can be  50 times slower than free space speed.
Let's call it group  velocity.
And now you are able to take this signal and without losses feed it into
 another (resonating at 1/100 of  lambda   CCW) , part of the coil.
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/dlattach/attach/171961/

But this part of the coil  has its own Slow Wave factor caused by thick dielectric
of HV wire.
Now this section is coupled to resonance by pricking  insulation  of that  wire in right  position of
waveform,  traveling in that  covered with dielectric wire.
https://youtu.be/KLAPRNWuAn4?t=600  ( watch for another minute)

And yet  the two sections:
- the one before and one now,  are in perfect resonance  in its
fraction of  lambda.
However both together now work much better  at 1000th of  a lambda.


For better understanding let's take an example:
You have  two or more  1/4 lambda antennas,
It is not important if any of antennas is 20 cubic yards big or it is at the  size  of your  cigarette lighter.

Both of the antennas  must  RESONATE at first!!!!
Both of the antennas will do excellent job.
However efficiency of each one of the  antennas is a trade.


link to antenna should be  only for reference of (How to phase)
https://www.hamradio.me/antennas/improving-the-super-j.html


link to  coils in motors
http://www.davidsonsales.com/docs_pdf/CoilPitch.pdf


 
For these
lost in action:
Think about two children:
-one going  in corridor from point A entry  to point B exit.
- second  going to labyrinth of corridors at point A and exiting at point B

For us it is important to slow that child as much as we can but since  both are in resonance there are no losses.
Than we look at how slow is phase  velocity  for total distance from A to B. ( when you looking at  envelope)
The ultimate goal is to  actively match with our Kapanadze  clone coil exactly to the condition of surface wave at this particular point of interface ( air/ earth)

If we use active antenna instead of passive antenna than  our active signal can be  compared  with that very particular point  having geometrical  XYZ  on that interface.
This signal can be than  discriminated/ compared/ mixed/ demodulated  for our benefit.
And that is your Free Energy


Schumann waveguide has fixed XYZ diameters  and like every  waveguide its wall ( the interface can accept immersed probe like in the slotted line)

Slotted Line: https://www.daenotes.com/electronics/communication-system/slotted-line


For Summary look at PART 4a


Wesley
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« Reply #2247 on: February 18, 2019, 12:22:39 AM »
PART 4a
explanation:
man made surface wave is exactly the same as
nature made surface wave
but has different  polarization, phase angle , frequency
It has also different impedance than loved by us standard 50 Ohm.


Summary:
Surface Wave  known also  as Zenneck Wave is our focus media despite  the fact if we  plan to  transmit from A to B
or we trying  to extract energy .
We will be always looking at  interface and right match to  man made or nature made surface wave.

You do not care  about efficiency of any of sub-sections of Kapanadze/clone HV coil.
Efficiency is only important, when  you deal  with bits and pieces of energy to be preserved.

Our general assumption is that in the interface we have plenty enough energy in surface wave to deal with.
But at first  we must tune into it.

By method used by Corum brothers  it will be  big humongous   Tesla Tower. Even at 18kHz
By method used by Tariel Kapanadze  it will be  very unstable but small Kapanadze active coil assembly.

Both of methods must have proper ground.


Wesley

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« Reply #2248 on: February 18, 2019, 11:21:47 AM »
I agree about Q factor and no-Radio type Kapanadze device.
Only created in place HiVoltage can make something usefull (if it is real) with Ground connected
device which "suck electrons" or create something unknown or make something like mC2 punch=> contra punch. Something like Second + Third Newton's law of motion. Only difference is we do that with Electric "hammers". We create Force in colision between mases and create contercforce on it.  Like when we magnetise and demagnetise material which than is captured with Coils.
I see only thease explanations.

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« Reply #2249 on: February 18, 2019, 05:59:11 PM »
a movie here from Geographic society ,mentions Zenneck waves at 6 min mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=368&v=wFiW2lqdnlM
from topic about thermionic tech and pending public release [ambient harvesting with energy densities to industrial use levels with daisy chaining , mentioned around 23.40  min mark
 http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/21105-nano-boxx-24-7-electric-power-using-only-ambient-heat.html

please remove if inappropriate or already mentioned [so much info got buried here]
respectfully Chet K

 

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