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stivep

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2160 on: December 22, 2021, 01:51:59 PM »
important  to understand  is that  Zenneck wave doesn't radiate in air. Communication is NOT DONE IN AIR. THIS WAVE DOESN'T EXIST IN AIR.
At Near field  from UP/Down tuned Top capacitor    wave enters INTERFACE  at Complex Brewster Angle and exists only  in that interface from now.
 in TM mode .

It needs to be understood that winding the particular Tesla Coil according to posted by  me (first picture of my post from above.)
1. 2200m = 136,24 khz takes 30 minutes. (using lathe) or 3 hours  if  pivoted  and  all winding information is  in the picture.
                                                               pivoted manual winding : at best takes 2 people
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg562296/#msg562296
2. this coil is good for short distance testing of A to B energy transfer as mandatory learning curve experience  before  EEfSW.
3. the minimum equipment that is needed for that is:
a-  for Tx 3 pieces  or  just 1 generator,  look at second picture  from previous  post and Tesla Coil.
b-  for Rx exactly the same way winded Tesla coil and the load look at second picture  from previous post.
Person walking the distance of 200m between  Tx and Rx  with LED testing probe in his hand starting his walk
from the Tx can see light on LED in Near Field than LED quickly light dims  in Freshnel zone and disappears.
At the Tesla coil  Rx (receiver site)  it doesn't work that way.  The power is seen only at the connected to it load.
At both  the Tx and Rx  impedance match and complex Brewster Angle  tuning is a must!!! It will not work without it.
tuning  was explained here and in two of my dedicated  to it topics.start to read from here :
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg546325/#msg546325
practical schematic of Tx at 2200m= 136,24 khz is here:
https://overunity.com/18335/wireless-energy-transfer-experiments-builders-board/msg547756/#msg547756
in Russian: https://overunity.com/18913/in-russian-ekspierimienty-po-biesprovodnoi-pieriedachie-enierghii-doska-stroitieliei/msg559483/#msg559483
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2161 on: December 22, 2021, 02:13:28 PM »
to 3614 :
do You understand the FE spectrum from the Tesla Tower/rec/antenna device as
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionizing_radiation FeV and FeA alpha,beta,delta,...... gain potential ?

Sincerely
OCWL


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2162 on: December 22, 2021, 06:46:26 PM »
to 3614 :
do You understand the FE spectrum from the Tesla Tower/rec/antenna device as
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionizing_radiation FeV and FeA alpha,beta,delta,...... gain potential ?
  Streamers and sparks are not allowed in the test. Ionization is at its minimum.
I share information only and it is no way I talk someone to perform the Tests. It is at your own  responsibility.
The frequency of testing is  20kHz or below it for EEfSW and  presented winding coil in instruction is for 131kHz.
-good only for  short range of energy transfer  from point A to point B.
Wesley 

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2163 on: December 22, 2021, 10:28:16 PM »
• How come surface Wave known as Zenneck wave fallows the curvature of the earth?
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1901 Guglielmo Marconi the broadcast took place across the Atlantic at a frequency of 30 kHz
. we may assume that it was Zenneck wave that made it happened.
1901 Гульельмо Марконирадиопередача проходила через Атлантику на частоте 30 кГц.
мы можем предположить, что это была волна Зеннека, которая заставила это произойти. https://www.rroij.com/open-access/surface-electromagnetic-waves.php?aid=87345
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Zenneck wave is the fact that (aside from the exponential decay factors) its field is inversely proportional to the square root of r, rather than to r itself as would be true for usual free space propagation with a source of finite extent. Again, this is not unexpected; it is simply due to the approximate two-dimensional nature of the propagation problem
http://web.mit.edu/redingtn/www/netadv/zenneck.html This is article of MIT
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Janice Turner and colleagues at Roke Manor Research of Romsey, U.K., have developed a Zenneck wave demo unit. This can transmit high-definition video over a length of conductor covered with dielectric with a bandwidth of up to 1.5 gigabits per second.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/a8778/skimming-the-surface-the-return-of-teslas-surface-waves-15322250/
Excitation and use of guided surface wave modes on lossy media
https://patents.google.com/patent/US10998604B2/en

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2164 on: December 23, 2021, 10:19:02 AM »
Fala Zennecka niczego nie sprawia, a tym bardziej tego jak się rozchodzi, jest jedynie reakcją na akcję źródła.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2165 on: December 23, 2021, 12:48:17 PM »
Fala Zennecka niczego nie sprawia, a tym bardziej tego jak się rozchodzi, jest jedynie reakcją na akcję źródła.
Zenneck wave is as form of  electromagnetic energy  has its origin, rules of interaction with  presented to it our own matching load.
You need to understand at first  than  speculate  how to benefit and progress.
Example: https://overunity.com/18992/ionosphere-oscillation-ever-attempted/msg562397/#msg562397
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2166 on: December 23, 2021, 08:57:05 PM »
I have a question. Assuming there is an artificial  source of Zenneck wave somewhere on Earth how to find a place where this wave cannot be detected ? I think it's important to prove all those FE devices are not powered by manmade source

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2167 on: December 24, 2021, 10:00:32 AM »

Energii wokół nas jest ogrom tylko nie umiemy jej konwertować do tej na którą się uparliśmy czyli prąd.
Nadal mamy problem ze zamianą ciepła w prąd efektywnie. Lepiej nam wychodzi konwersja pola magnetycznego ale to też nie to jest najważniejsze.
Mamy od dawna panele PV i stawiamy na to. Owszem z teorii fal ze słońca obliczono że 1m2 da kilka kWh z tym że teraz odzyskujemy kilka %.
Szum EM wydaje się być ogromem fal które wystarczy odebrać, przekształcić i wykorzystać. Są projekty takich urządzeń już na poważnie realizowane.
Zastosowanie w telefonach wiecznych. Po części ta technologia już działa w trybie impulsowym dla lokalizacji telefonu nawet jak nie ma baterii ! To jak rfid czy znane PING lub inne określenie lokalizacji.
Wystarczy przecież odbiór kilku../nastu/set/... fal i fazowanie ich aby dostać moc z rozproszonego widma. Jednak czy tu były by kW !? No zakresów jest dużo więc i kW się znajdą ale czy dla każdego ?
Czy 100 osób po 10kW to problem ? nie ale już 100.000.000 po 10kW to chyba tak aby taka technologia zadziałała w tym sensie. Może się mylę.
W końcu Viziv ma to robić tak ?
Technologia dążąca do tego to : Energy Harvesting.   VIZIV coś pisali o kryptografi energii a czy to nie było by podobne.

Zatem gdzie są źródła energii? no wszędzie ale to drażniące już bo jesteśmy jak ślepcy którzy co chwila się dowiadują że wystarczy otworzyć oczy.... ale oni nie mogą.


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Niedawno pewien facio Chikumbutso zrobił to łącząc fale w jedną poprzez jak to określił skupienie ich. Nie mylić z łączeniem fal !!!




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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2171 on: December 25, 2021, 10:05:12 AM »
Piszesz o smogu EM wywołanym przez sztuczne nadajniki, a temat i moje pytanie dotyczyło fal z interfejsu Schumanna.

Dla jednych szum jeśli nie widzisz w tym sensu. Jeśli nie umiesz "zdekodować" sygnału to wszystko jest tylko szumem.  Amplituda coś wnosi jeśli uznamy, że szum to jakaś wartość odniesienia.
wyjaśnię dokładniej: chodziło o całe tło EM.
Fale Schumanna to echo burz.

Przy okazji: nie ograniczaj się bo nie musisz.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2172 on: December 25, 2021, 04:51:23 PM »
types of surface waves
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2173 on: December 25, 2021, 06:30:09 PM »
Zenneck Wave can work at any frequency  it will have different name  and little different  technique of excitation.
In regards to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIIABIU3tRw&t=487s
pointed by me  in my comment  from above.
Group of surface waves  includes Zenneck Wave along with other types of "the same"  listed.
All of them  use INTERFACE  but we decided to  find by ourselves  how Electromagnetic Wave in the Interface
(the Zenneck Wave having now different name )
behaves. We test it with tool below at optical  frequency  range.
https://accusrc.com/uploads/datasheets/5153_OSA-155.pdf
This is a field-ready optical spectrum analyzer offering measurements of wavelength, power, and optical SNR on the different carriers of multiwavelength signals
in the range 1450 to 1650 nm. Internal wavelength reference for high wavelength measurement accuracy. Fast and complete DWDM system analysis .
Easy and intuitive touchscreen operation. Can be powered by AC line, external DC, or internal battery.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2174 on: December 27, 2021, 01:46:04 PM »
@Wesley.
Pełna zgoda.