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Offline AlienGrey

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #210 on: July 02, 2018, 09:26:43 PM »
OK lets consider a Tesla coil, it probably has a L1 Primary of 800 turns, perhaps a 1Mhry inductance, but lets look at the L2 coil 2 or 3 Turns
perhaps .4uh inductance where we pulse it has any one made any experioments trying to tune the thing for optimum performance,
had any results ?

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #211 on: July 02, 2018, 09:54:57 PM »
Void, Hoppy and Wesley,

You may hit the nail on his head.
If it is indeed a convential engineered setup ... probably many many related types of setups would be working for many years already.
The big secret is far from conventional electronics.... just think about Tesla's or Prentice background knowledge before they start discovering and testing.
There was no conventional knowledge as we have now.......
Difficulty is not to think in modern electronics ....on the other hand people without electronic background these days won' t start testing with these kind of setups.
So all stays uncovered.....(are we not all being trolled..... from the start we went to high school?)

We all think in resonance ....LC..... but never in earth_resonance....Tesla did...and Prentice also.
Maybe we only need to focuss on the phenomenom as Tesla did and what he or Prentice drove forward to there discovery?

Unfortunatel i did not finished my electric engineering....but maybe this will not constrain me thinking in different area.
But nevertheless we still need electronics... so you guys are still needed here.... its only the way we configure... hook_up and tune our devices have to be different.

Question...where they able to work into the Mhz region those days in 1920?
Is it for that they used longer wires because the frequency was the bottleneck?

Greetings

Hi apecore. Yes, it does seem it may well have something to do with resonating with the surrounding ground
by making use of at least one earth ground connection, but the strange thing here is Kapanadze has apparently claimed
that his setup can still work without an earth ground connection, but probably with poorer performance I would guess, and
Prentice also said he could connect a metal wire between the two ends of his long wire bypassing the ground hop, but it reduced
the performance, and Akula demonstrated in one of his earlier demonstration videos that his setup would still seemingly self run with
the earth ground wire not connected, but apparently with less power output capacity. This is where the mind starts to boggle if any or all
of this is legitimate. It seems to throw more conventional notions of making use of earth currents to get  a COP > 1 out the window.
Something a little more unusual than that appears to be at play if the claims about bypassing or not using any earth ground
connections at all by these people and still seeing a COP > 1 are accurate.

Yes, it is possible higher frequencies in the higher MHz range could still work, since we don't know as yet what really might make these things
produce a COP > 1. People who are thinking about these setups should consider that these setups can still apparently self run without an
earth ground connection. Akula demonstrated this specifically in one of his earlier video demonstrations, if you accept that his setups might be legit.
For whatever reason, these setups apparently work a lot better when connected to a good earth ground. That would seem to be a clue
of some sort. :)


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #212 on: July 02, 2018, 10:04:19 PM »

........ but the strange thing here is Kapanadze has apparently claimed
that his setup can still work without an earth ground connection, but probably with poorer performance I would guess, and
Prentice also said he could connect a metal wire between the two ends of his long wire bypassing the ground hop, but it reduced
the performance, and Akula demonstrated in one of his earlier demonstration videos that his setup would still seemingly self run with
the earth ground wire not connected, but apparently with less power output capacity.


Don t forget,...  wire laying on the ground or metal parts near the ground do have ground connection due it has capacitance......which could explains why the performance is less.
The air is electrostatic...  so a conductor.
Again.... always a closed loop with earth,...  we only set things in motion....  vibrating ...  creating waves as Tesla said :)


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #213 on: July 02, 2018, 10:14:34 PM »
Don t forget,...  wire laying on the ground or metal parts near the ground do have ground connection due it has capacitance......which could explains why the performance is less.
The air is electrostatic...  so a conductor.
Again.... always a closed loop with earth,...  we only set things in motion....  vibrating ...  creating waves as Tesla said :)
greetings

Hi apecore. Yes, this is true, but realistically the capacitance to ground of an electronic circuit
like Kapandze and Akula have used, sitting on a chair or a table is relatively small (maybe 1000pF or less as
a rough guess). We are talking about circuit setups that need to produce say at least 50 to 100 Watts to be able to self
loop and keep running. Try an experiment where you must rapidly pulse charge a capacitor of say 1000pF or less
and try to draw at least 50 Watts average power off that capacitor. I think you would need a very, very high pulse frequency to achieve
that by conventional means, if you follow me.
 

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #214 on: July 02, 2018, 10:26:08 PM »
Hi apecore. Yes, this is true, but realistically the capacitance to ground of an electronic circuit
like Kapandze and Akula have used, sitting on a chair or a table is relatively small (maybe 1000pF or less as
a rough guess). We are talking about circuit setups that need to produce say at least 50 to 100 Watts to be able to self
loop and keep running. Try an experiment where you must rapidly pulse charge a capacitor of say 1000pF or less
and try to draw at least 50 Watts average power off that capacitor. I think you would need a very, very high pulse frequency to achieve
that by conventional means, if you follow me.

Or a high voltage and less puls frequenty.

P = 0.5 x C x V^2 x f



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Offline Void

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #215 on: July 02, 2018, 10:58:25 PM »
Here is something else to consider.
Kapanadze's 2004 demo video showed what appeared to be a very simple setup.
220V AC in connected to a power transformer and what looked like a diode full wave bridge rectifier.
A couple of devices on black heat sinks, which were probably transistors, his simple coil assembly, and 
a small tobacco can with some wires running into it from the various external components. I think maybe there was
possibly another external cap visible near the diode bridge if I remember correctly. Besides an external ground wire connection,
that was the extent of his 2004 setup.

if you look at the way the sparkgap glowed in that 2004 video demonstration, it was clear that the
sparkgap was conducting relatively low current, and it was probably running at a least a kHz and very
possibly a bit higher in the kHz range to appear the way it appears in that video. This leads me to think that the
two devices on the two black heat sinks were probably transistors used in a push pull arrangement to
drive something like a small flyback transformer inside the tobacco can. The type of glow on the
sparkgap looks very much like the glow you will see from a flyback transformer discharging through a sparkgap and
running roughly in the frequency range of about 15 to 20 kHz or thereabouts.

In some later Kapanadze demonstrations he showed a sparkgap that seem to discharge at a lot lower
frequency and it glowed white like it was conducting a lot larger current. This could possibly have been done
in these later demonstrations to try to throw people off. The 2004 demo seems more interesting to me
because Kapanadze didn't seem to be trying to hide things too much except for what was in the tobacco can.
Maybe Kapanadze does make some sort of home-made capacitor or other component which he kept hidden
in the tobacco can.

What I am trying to point out here is the sparkgap seen in the 2004 demonstration was definitely
discharging at a low current (the soft violet glow color) and looks very similar to a sparkgap driven
by a simple flyback driver in the range of 15kHz to 25 kHz or so. In other words, the sparkgap looks like it
was probably driven by a typical flyback driver or some other very similar type of HV transformer driver.

Simple circuit setup.
220V at 50 Hz in.
Probably a flyback driver or very similar driving the sparkgap at low current. The flyback transofrmer may have been in the tobacco can (it would fit with no problem).
Maybe something else hidden in the tobacco can. Maybe a homemade capacitor as some people have speculated, or some other mystery component.
An earth ground connection.

That's all there was to it. There wasn't a whole lot of room in the tobacco can for much else.
Again I understand why many think it must be fake. There just wasn't a whole lot there.
However, if it is not fake, then it boggles the mind.
Such a simple setup with the sparkgap only conducting very low current, yet it apparently self ran
and could apparently power five 1 kW light bulbs at least fairly brightly while self running.
This is why I say that if it really works it may well be working on a principle that is as yet not understood. :)


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #216 on: July 02, 2018, 11:00:22 PM »
Or a high voltage and less puls frequenty.

P = 0.5 x C x V^2 x f

The voltage would have to be very high. Also, we are not likely really talking about 1000pF,
as only certain wires or coils had high voltage on them, The capacitance to earth from
high voltage wires or coils was probably a fair bit less I would think. :) Akula showed in that
demo I mentioned that he could light some bulbs as well as self run without an earth ground wire connected. 
If it was legit, at any rate it seems something way out of the ordinary was occurring, whatever it may be. :)
I think we should be able to at least agree on that.

Prentice seems to have taken a bit different approach back in 1923, but given the general similarities to Kapanadze's setup
it may possibly work on the same mysterious principle (if they really work).


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #217 on: July 02, 2018, 11:48:51 PM »
In Teslas system he concentrated on the B field for his wireless.  If one will notice his later systems are always inductively matched to the ground then antenna wise  a top load to capacitively couple to the air with a spherical cap.  Modern RF we have abandoned the idea of ground match coupling beyond a mismatched wire, well aside from sub communication.  Purturbing the scalar earth magnetic field and taking advantage of this on the receiving end works wonders.

Look at the Magnifying Transmitter patent and one can determine Dr Tesla was using 1/4 wave resonator for about 1mhz although the calculations are not quite accurate as the earth has a diff speed of propogation to free air.

Modulating RF as PM or FM produces the longitudinal factor which with dual sideband can deliver about 16/1 info over carrier freq. as with 4g

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #218 on: July 03, 2018, 12:51:47 AM »
The voltage would have to be very high. Also, we are not likely really talking about 1000pF,
as only certain wires or coils had high voltage on them, The capacitance to earth from
high voltage wires or coils was probably a fair bit less I would think. :) Akula showed in that
demo I mentioned that he could light some bulbs as well as self run without an earth ground wire connected. 
If it was legit, at any rate it seems something way out of the ordinary was occurring, whatever it may be. :)
I think we should be able to at least agree on that.

Prentice seems to have taken a bit different approach back in 1923, but given the general similarities to Kapanadze's setup
it may possibly work on the same mysterious principle (if they really work).
Sure the Earth makes a big difference but what about the wingdings and resonance 1/4 wave or less what do we know
about the wingdings ?
( the program keeps altering my spelling sorry about that)

AG

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #219 on: July 03, 2018, 03:26:38 AM »
Sure the Earth makes a big difference but what about the wingdings and resonance 1/4 wave or less what do we know
about the wingdings ?
( the program keeps altering my spelling sorry about that)
AG

I personally don't know what exactly Kapanadze was doing with his special coil.
His coil assembly used in his 2004 demo was similar to the one used in his green box demo,
or it was the same one, but I don't know what is known about how it was wound, beyond people guessing at it.

Jean-Louis Naudin thought he had figured it out with his 'kapagen' experiments, but when he eventually measured the
input and output power with a suitable method it had a COP < 1. It seems whatever info Naudin got about that
setup was either wrong in one or more ways, or he was still missing something else very important from the setup.
Kapandze's 2004 setup used less than 100 Watts at the input. Naudin's Kapagen used a lot higher input power
and had COP < 1.

Something related to consider.
A quarter wave resonant antenna or quarter wave resonant tesla coil requires a ground to
to work to its max efficiency, but a half wave resonant antenna does not require a ground or ground radials.
A quarter wave antenna has much less losses if you use many radials laid on or near the ground for the ground return
because the actual ground is typically quite *lossy* to radio frequencies. If the ground is lossy (has a significant resistance 
at radio frequencies) then why did Prentice and Kapanadze get COP > 1 results when connecting to an earth ground point?
Again, for me it points to very possibly something else going on than what we typically see with radio antennas,
and what we might expect with conventional analysis. The ground is supposed to be lossy at radio frequencies, and at
lower frequencies and to DC as well. 

If half wave antennas do not require an earth ground or ground radials to work to max efficiency,
then if Kapanadze wound a half wave resonant coil would he no longer need a ground connection?
I don't know, and I don't expect anyone to actually have an answer to that except maybe Kapanadze himself. :D

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #220 on: July 03, 2018, 05:10:35 AM »
Wireless Power Transmission one wire and Negative Resistance   http://www.mdpi.com/1996-1073/11/3/532/pdf

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #221 on: July 03, 2018, 10:40:36 AM »
We need to keep in mind the tragic situation that people in Georgia were suffering with power grid problems and inflated prices that few could afford on their meagre salaries. See attached It is estimated that around 40% of the people were bypassing their electricity meters. It is with this background that its quite possible that Kapanadze found a way of 'tapping' a differential low voltage between the grid service head serving his house and the earth ground rod / buried radiator in the garden. This voltage could then have been transformed up by his box devices to run, albeit rather poorly, the lamp loads in the demos. In other words, could Kapanadze have been at the forefront of ingenuity in finding a cost effective and ingenious solution to the dire electricity problems being experienced by residents in Georgia.

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« Reply #222 on: July 03, 2018, 01:32:20 PM »
Well perhaps that's a negative view, it's better to be optimistic.
If you look on youtube Don L Smith has 8 or 9 video's, he tells you how the thing works.
I does not help too much when some people ignore techniques, miss them out but expect
it all to work, but then don't go over it all to find what they did wrong of forgot to do, and
then move on to something else.

On the grim side, ever watch Midsommer murders or Morse, the pathologist works out the time of death
by the 'ambient' any idea what that means ? an electronic fridge works on the same idea!
No difference in ambient no energy to use. Create your own difference was Smiths trick
if you can call it that.
 
It won't be one technique he is using  8) I bet every move he made was exploited !

AG

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #223 on: July 03, 2018, 05:33:26 PM »
We need to keep in mind the tragic situation that people in Georgia were suffering with power grid problems and inflated prices that few could afford on their meagre salaries. See attached It is estimated that around 40% of the people were bypassing their electricity meters. It is with this background that its quite possible that Kapanadze found a way of 'tapping' a differential low voltage between the grid service head serving his house and the earth ground rod / buried radiator in the garden. This voltage could then have been transformed up by his box devices to run, albeit rather poorly, the lamp loads in the demos. In other words, could Kapanadze have been at the forefront of ingenuity in finding a cost effective and ingenious solution to the dire electricity problems being experienced by residents in Georgia.

Hi Hoppy. There was the demo in Turkey and the demo on the island as well.
If Kapanadze is a fake, he is a very good one. :)

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #224 on: July 03, 2018, 10:21:23 PM »
This lot should keep you busy !

Don L Smith
Video 1 1994:
https://youtu.be/U9sy8gPxj3k
Video 2 1995:
https://youtu.be/6Vnxdc1EGFY
Video 3 1996:
https://youtu.be/Ak8Vyqjoz1M
Video 4 1998: https://youtu.be/AmVe92YauZA
Video 5 2001:
https://youtu.be/Xgwg82ZVaDA
Audio 1 2003:
https://tinyurl.com/y7sdmse3
Video 6 2005:
https://youtu.be/_nG_Y7pTljQ
Video 7 2005:
https://youtu.be/cAOG8GzjaLE
Video 8:
https://youtu.be/xBF8VPYGl-g

 

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