Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum

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Wesley,
"The drag may be utilized for the acceleration of electrons in a vacuum discharge tube to result in a new form of linear accelerator.Or it may be utilized for establishing a unidirectional current or voltage in a circuit comprising a relatively fixed longitudinal conductor or semi-conductor. In this case the exciting alternating current energy and a rectifying device results which yields a uniform or modulated output dependent on the exciting or input energy".


Quote: "you can't accelerate electrons in conductor".
Indeed. That is why I want to kick them out of conductor, by HV pulse . Now they can be accelerated by progressive magnetic field of traveling wave at the moments they jumped out of conductor 


Regards,
Pix

[stivep]

Analysis of the patent:
 https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg561071/#msg561071

Wesley,
"The drag may be utilized for the acceleration of electrons in a vacuum discharge tube to result in a new form of linear accelerator.
Or it may be utilized for establishing a unidirectional current or voltage in a circuit comprising a relatively fixed longitudinal conductor or semi-conductor. In this case the exciting alternating current energy and a rectifying device results which yields a uniform or modulated output dependent on the exciting or input energy".

True but  there is no word about proposed by you tube with conductor inside..
In order TO KICK electrons out of the conductor it must be representing a cathode but not the  conductive path from  one side of the tube  to another.
Please read my comment about  acceleration from above.
So how do you propose your own device ...BASED ON ALL SAID ABOVE.
Wesley

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Wesley,
My proposal:
Central conductor in form of ring, may be inserted in vacuum glass tube ( to ease exit of electrons when kicked by HV pulses), outside are located coils for creating progressive magnetic field of travelling wave.
Process:
1. create travelling wave  by loaded transmission line or multiphase driven coils upon central conductor ring located inside
2. kick central conductor with HV pulses
3. when electrons are kicked outside central conductor by HV pulse they experience acceleration by travelling wave and they drops back to central conductor. Jumps and acceleration of electrons repeat every HV pulse. That is creating current flow and potential difference in central conductor.  Additionally, accelerated electrons when they fall back to central conductor may collide with electrons inside conductor and give them energy necessary to leave conductor. This process may multiply current.


Please see attached. But of course arrangements may vary. We may not use vacuum glass tube but dielectric around central conductor, the important is to kick electrons out of conductor.


Regards,
Pix

[stivep]

Analysis of the patent:
 https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg561071/#msg561071


if the red  circle inside if the vacuum tube is your closed coil acting as electron emitter, how do you apply high voltage
to it?
What is the  path of the electrons emitted  from the conductor?
where are  the potential difference points (like in normal accelerator  anode  cathode)?
what is the gain  (an increase in the value of power)   you getting from any of your proposed configuration?

Wesley

[pix]

Wesley,
To kick central conductor by HV we need to introduce another electrode.
It may be another conductor located outside vacuum glass tube. Glass serves isolator. On top of it we locate driving coils or traveling wave armature coils.


Regards,
Pix

[stivep]

Analysis of the patent:
 https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg561071/#msg561071


In picture from above named Question.jpg
 - redacted by you there is presence of:
1. HV inner coil acting upon another inner coil that is inside of glass envelope making 1:1 "air" transformer.
    Because HV impulse is AC (leading edge falling edge) it will induce  HV in open loop inside of the  glass envelope.
2. Because HV impulse is AC (leading edge falling edge) it will induce  HV in  accelerating set of coils - its LC components.
    for accelerating of electrons there is a need of  anode and cathode or  cathode and  target ending point for accelerated particles.
    You don't have this structure inside the glass envelope.
e. the direction of electrons  is perpendicular to the direction of acceleration now.
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 You didn't respond to the questions:

where are  the potential difference points (like in normal accelerator  anode  cathode)?
what is the gain  (an increase in the value of power)   you getting from any of your proposed configuration?

Wesley

[AlienGrey]

Wesley here is a not so simple question and it's not what we are always told
How fast does an electron travel through a wire or should I say - a magnetically charged electron
or is it the other way round, what ever!

I ask this as if it traveled at a constant speed
then how could any thing possibly work ?
Regards Sil

[stivep]

How fast does an electron travel through a wire
I ask this as if it traveled at a constant speed
then how could any thing possibly work ?

An electron in the copper wire travels at a speed of about 1 cm/sec. This is about as fast as an ant scurries on the ground.
The speed of an electron in a wire really has virtually nothing to do with the speed of a signal.
https://www.informit.com/articles/article.
Wesley

[lukaszkwiatkowskii]

Nie kapuje poco mu drut w środku, przecież im większa gęstość zjonizowanych atomów gazu tym większa przewodność, a poza tym nie trzeba ani MHz, ani kW i niekoniecznie muszą być też impulsy HV żeby zjonizować gaz, np.: lampy wzbudzane indukcją magnetyczną https://cdn.fulham.com/PDFs/Fulham_HighHorseInduction.pdf .

[r2fpl]

To jakie jest minimum dla jonizacji gazu ? Najpierw następuje przebicie, a potem podtrzymanie. Przebicie to HV, a podtrzymanie już nie koniecznie. np.Lampy rtęciowe.

[lukaszkwiatkowskii]

Niema konkretnej stałej na tak ogólne pytanie, gdyż to jest problem złożony obliczeniowo, np.: symulacja lampy bez-elektrodowej
https://www.comsol.com/model/electrodeless-lamp-10062
https://www.comsol.com/model/download/789421/models.plasma.electrodeless_lamp.pdf

[stivep]

What is this, an analog computer?
To simulate the Schrödinger equation in real time?

can you give me link to the article or book I can find on the net?
Wesley

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Wesley,
Quote:

"where are  the potential difference points (like in normal accelerator  anode  cathode)?
what is the gain (an increase in the value of power)   you getting from any of your proposed configuration?

Reply:
In my proposal there is no need for anode and cathode, because central conductor is acting both.
Emitting electrons during HV pulse- free electrons outside conductor being accelerated by progressive magnetic field of traveling wave,
and they fall back to conductor, eventually kicking off more electrons.  It might act like dynode  electrons multiplication ,
an "extra" process for electrons drag inside conductor.

To be clear- all above proposals for HV "kicking" of central conductor are just my guess,
I didn't tested them in practice. It is just a thinking how we could improve process of electrons drag inside conductor by traveling wave,
by giving them an extra energy and possibly Dynode-like multiplication effect by accelerating them when they jumped outside conductor.


But let's put aside all my proposals and guessing.
Let's come back to original text of Thonemann patent, it is clearly mentioned :
Progressive magnetic field of traveling wave could be used to drive current in longitudinal conductor or semiconductor.
Unfortunately,in his patent he presented examples to drive current in vacuum tubes with anode and cathode, 
he didn't presented example with solid conductor.

I assume Thonemann didn't lie in his patent and  it is true statement that current in solid conductor could be driven this way.
Driving current in solid conductor by his invention- "PER SE" it is very interesting,
because we will not have Lenz action like in normal electromagnetic induction ( transformers, generators).
And effect ( current  flowing in conductor) is ENHANCING the cause (progressive magnetic field of traveling wave).
Not acting AGAINST the cause. This is a beautiful effect itself which is worth exploration.

Regards,
Pix

[kolbacict]

Unfortunately, I don’t know where it came from.
Found in my folder with pictures.
I was interested in the three-dimensional picture at the bottom.
Does this mean that we can model four-dimensional and more things in our three-dimensional world?
If there are four or more branches in the nodes of the circuit?
And why are analog computers undeservedly forgotten in our digital age?

[kolbacict]

https://www.skif.biz/index.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=717705#717705
I've already seen it somewhere ...