Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum

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Hi Wesley,
1.Then how  Tesla Magnifier works? In primary circuit capacitor is charged to spark gap break voltage and then oscillations starts.
All those oscillations are accumulated in secondary ( with losses).
But it is evident that system energy is raising because of those oscillations (they are "free").
Additionally if resonant frequency of Tesla Magnifier is exact as some natural backround earthly EMF fields,
then this open circuit is harnessing extra energy from enviroment ( earth-ionosphere wave gude space).
Kapanadze always talks about enviroment. Correct me if I am wrong.
2.Ordinary heat pump has COP of 2-3. Extra energy is taken from enviroment in the form of heat. 1kW of electrical energy
consumed by work of compressor and fan gives 2-3kW
of energy in the form of heat extracted from ambient air.
3.Ferromagnetism. Ferromagnetic material amplifies external magnetic field hundreds and thousands of times.
4.Avalanche. Photomultiplier, electrons multiplier, even ordinary spark gap . Process multiplies number of electrons (current).
It is like a chain reaction.
I don't like playing the words what is OU or what is "free". It is obvious there is no "free", but always converted from some other
source that we are not paying for- like sun rays converted in PV panel.


Please see attached the closest patent in my opinion to TPU.
Kind Regards,
Pix

[stivep]

Hi Wesley,
1.Then how  Tesla Magnifier works?
Kapanadze always talks about enviroment.

2.Ordinary heat pump has COP of 2-3.

3.Ferromagnetism. Ferromagnetic material amplifies external magnetic field hundreds and thousands of times.

4.Avalanche. Photomultiplier, electrons multiplier, even ordinary spark gap . Process multiplies number of electrons (current).
It is like a chain reaction.

Add 1Here you have link to  what looks like reputable electrical engineering site.
https://electrical-engineering-portal.com/magnifying-transmitter-nikola-tesla
This is exactly the text  you would agree with.

Here you have much better explanation by Serbian scientist Dr Jovan Cvetić.
https://pennedout.com/things/aetheric_physics/teslas_magnifying_transmitter_principles.pdf



 Add 2
 

Ordinary heat pump  has COP of 2-3.

https://www.sfu.ca/~mbahrami/ENSC%20388/Notes/Second%20Law%20of%20Thermodynamics.pdf

Add 3

A magnetic field of about 1 T can be produced in annealed iron with an external
field of about 0.0002 T, a multiplication of the external field by a factor of 5000!

the explanation is here:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Solids/ferro.html

Add 4 this is not like  chain reaction. 
An electron multiplier consisting of several electrodes (dynodes) is covered with a layer of secondary emissive material,
but multiplication is given   at  the expense of energy delivered to each one of dynodes.
https://psec.uchicago.edu/library/photomultipliers/Photonis_PMT_basics.pdf
Wesley

[kolbacict]

Vladimir Atsyukovsky also believes that Tesla's transformer is over-unity.
Due to the energy of the ether. 

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Hi Wesley.
Thanks for links to articles.

1. Quote :
"Summary:Tesla magnifying Transmitter is only making HV and low current easier."


High voltage is on the top terminal of Tesla secondary, high amperage is at the grounded part. Tesla was stating that idea is to create a
huge oscillations of reactive power and convert part of that reactive power to to real power. Still, energy accumulation and gain in
Tesla Magnifier is coming mainly from primary circuit oscillations. Stepanov patents are also based on creation a lot of reactive
power by resonant circuit and converting that back to active power.


2. Heat pump and ferromagnetism are examples  that we can get something extra from enviroment and nobody is calling this OU or free energy.
3.What is your opinion about Thonemann patent I attached in my previous post.
TPU looks like is based on the principle of non indictive current drive by travelling wave. Principle used to create heating current in plasmas.


Cheers,
Pix

[lukaszkwiatkowskii]

Witam,
co do tesla magnifier'a to zawsze można przetestować w mikroskali na przykład na symulatorze, niżej przedstawiony
zmodyfikowany schemat poglądowy dla symulatora (pewnie w rzeczywistości może i by działał, ale trzeba sprawdzić),
oczywiście elementy dobrane "na oko", ale jest jeden fakt nie zmienia fazy napięcie w punktach kolejno między cewkami od L2 do L5.

[kolbacict]

Wesley, what do you think about Atsukovsky's opinion about the Tesla transformer?

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So many BS on this forum.
I gave TPU patent on the silver plate and nobody bothers 

[stivep]

So many BS on this forum.
I gave TPU patent on the silver plate and nobody bothers 

Please specify.

I'm not on  O.U.R.
https://overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=302.375although

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https://overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=302.375
https://patents.google.com/patent/US3085189A/endirect download link :
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/99/e8/3c/26db34923fe819/US3085189.pdf
I must say you are the one ...worth my time.
You may try to catch me on something I said...if you  can...
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Driving frequency modulation system and method for plasma accelerator
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Some literature  to share:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soCfpyu2q3A Making Tube Amplifiers from TVs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-DlgOoz978 Traveling Wave Tube Amplifier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyO0Laz6aLA Traveling Wave Tube Amplifier Teardown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-DlgOoz978 Travelling Wave Tube Amplifier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HGdQ0C7CYg  Teardown of a Microwave Amplifier and a Traveling Wave Tube

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About inventor :
Peter Thonemann
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Thonemann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enVux_Dhjr8

In 1947, Cousins and Ware began experiments using pinch in toroidal tubes.
Thonemann was able to arrange a small amount of funding, and in 1948 began basic experiments with electrical discharges in a linear tube containing mercury gas to study the pinch effect.
By the next year he had moved to a larger copper torus and was able to demonstrate the pinch to Frederick Lindemann and John Cockcroft.
_{Thonemann became the Atomic Energy Research Establishment (AERE) Head of Research on Controlled Thermonuclear Reactions in 1949, a position he held until 1960.[1]}

pinch effect
plasma_physics Cylindrical%20pinch
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-details-of-the-pinch-effect-and-magnetic-fields-in-plasma-physics
https://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Pinch+Effect

At Harwell, Cockcroft had successfully argued for the construction of a much larger machine, ZETA.^[1] By 1957, early indications were that ZETA had successfully produced tiny amounts of fusion, and the story began to leak to the press.
This led to considerable coverage about Thonemann's role in the Australian press.^[2]
In January it was announced that ZETA had succeeded.
After further work, it became clear that the signals of fusion were false, and the story had to be withdrawn, causing great embarrassment.^[1]

https://youtu.be/L0KuAx1COEk?t=1829
Wesley

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Hi Wesley,
I stated that OU site is full of BS. It is hard to find a valuable information because it is immediately covered by tons of BS.
Your topic about Zenneck surface wave is very informative.
But it deals with "transmission of energy".
I am more concerned about creating/converting/getting some energy.
Thonemann patent could be found on internet US3085189. It is used to drive current in tokamak plasma for heating it. The same effect is happening if instead plasma we insert conductor.
Similiarities with Steven Marks words:
1.Patent is owned by US Atomic Energy Commision.
2.Electrons drift  in gas or central conductor caused by travelling wave is enchancing that travelling wave. That gives feedback effect which is feeding that process. "Furnace that is feeding itself"
3.DC in central conductor.


PS.
In fact I pointed this patent to overunityforum a while ago 


Cheers,
Pix

[stivep]

I gave TPU patent on the silver plate and nobody bothers 

Analysis of the patent
_{no final conclusions  are made in this  post yet}:

so :
1.   we can place any tube inside of helix ( coil).2.   That tube will have   two electrodes from both  ends.
3.   one of electrodes will act as cathode and another as anode.
<sub>3a. anode "may not be" needed if we plan to shot the particle out ...
      -that can be compared to:
      CRT of TV where  screen doesn't have phosphor screen and  anode grid.. the particle is accelerated and just shot out.
      however traditional CRT mechanism of accelerating is much better for that.

4.</sub> While particle in circular tube  the wave makes  full 360 degrees, the wave in the circuit LC  is "dying"( please read in the text of  the patent)
   _{this point 4 will be corrected in next comment as it is not accurate.}

5.   It is  an electro-magnetic induction device for the conversion of radio frequency electrical energy into direct current electrical energy,
      we delivering :
_{RF at 1MHz
of power ~2-3kW
and in result we  have at the ends of the vacuum tube:
 4-5V 
of DC power ~2-3kW}
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However  we can also  make reverse action.
_{where we delivering  DC to the tube and we getting in result the  ~1MHz...2-3kW}

Yet another  scenario is that when we
 _{"modulate" DC( with voice) varying its amplitude
or  we do reverse action means  we take 1MHz and modulate it with  AM Voice than   the other  part of the device  acts as demodulator..}

So it is a sort of  very clever  transforming device....a "transformer"
 however  coil 20 ( figure 1) has yet another application

Wesley

[stivep]

to get full text of the patent 
https://patents.google.com/patent/US3085189A/en
and than  on the right hand side  click
Download PDF

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Acceleration mechanism:
From the perspective of transmission line:
 made of C and L the impedance matching  doesn't care about individual
12 winds sections  of the coil spaced by every  next C capacitor .
The shorted  end is not seen as  shorted transmission line but as the last 12winds ending the LC section .

Note:
 50 Ohm  impedance   output/input is the widely  used standard for all of the devices
in the world such as  generators , analyzers, amplifiers and so on.

From view  of the 50 Ohm generator output:
_{-the entire section of all L and C connected to the generator , must represent  by itself the impedance of 50 Ohm to reach SWR 1:1
So  at resonance  for generator the entire coil/capacitors assembly acts as the load.}
-Well not .... only the resistive R load is the pure  load converting energy into  heat.   
The LC "loads" don't dissipate  energy

reactive loads such as inductors and capacitors dissipate zero power,
yet the fact that they drop voltage and draw current gives the deceptive impression
that they actually do dissipate power. This “phantom power” is called reactive power,
and it is measured in a unit called Volt-Amps-Reactive (VAR), rather than watts.

https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-11/true-reactive-and-apparent-power/

<sub>but to understand  why we say that any LC antenna is the load  to the transmitter even if LC  doesn't dissipate energy
there is a need for deeper  explanation .. so I  just stop here  for now...
think of it as:
-LC circuit doesn't dissipate energy because Wesley said so and he gave link to this explanation .
- any antenna  is a... LC circuit and  we often  call it a load as   it acts as a load but..from another hand the LC circuit 
   can't dissipate reactive power..</sub>


 it is not important how many LC sections is there.. it must be  50 Ohm... that's all.
In reality I don't believe  that 50 Ohm standard applies there.
-the output of the generator can be made to match to whatever is the  impedance of the  LC assembly.
 When you make experiment , you care less about the international standards as long as it works for you..
... it is just easier for you, to make generator  with impedance  matching that of  coil capacitor assembly winded on the glass tube - accelerator 

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 Form particle in vacuum tube perspective: nothing is important 
the particle  is affected by drag made by first section of 12  winds  and  accelerated by second section and so on...



Wesley

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Hi Wesley,
Imagine process:
-central conductor is "kicked" by HV source to free electrons from metal lattice while at the same time travelling wave process described in the patent goes on.
Electrons drift is done much easier then, without ohmic loss caused by metal lattice collisions.
To visualise it better- electrons jumps out of the conductor during HV potential "kick" and then are dragged alongside conductor by travelling wave, falling back to central conductor. Net current and voltage difference occurs at the ends of central conductor.
Maybe that is a key to SM words about "kicks" and a "catalyst"?


Regards,
Pix

[kolbacict]

What is this, an analog computer?
To simulate the Schrödinger equation in real time?

[stivep]

Analysis of the patent:
 https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg561071/#msg561071


You confused me:

Hi Wesley,
Imagine process:
-central conductor is "kicked" by HV source

we have traveling wave in the coil around the tube  but not inside of the glass tube...
in the glass tube we have DC electron drift. from cathode to anode... if we have anode.. as this can be just  a fist stage of an  electron gun..
the cathode is not heated - it is cold cathode.
the tube has  vacuum inside :- it means no grid.. no anode under  HV..
<sub>the different story is when patent is talking about propelling "jet " engine application..

here is the quote from the patent:</sub>

The invention is based on the phenomenon that the progressive magnetic field of a traveling Wave (for example the traveling
wave produced in a loaded transmission line or by spaced coils excited in different phases) exerts a unidirectional drag upon electrons in the field and that conversely
a unidirectional notion of electrons tends to produce or enhance a traveling wave.

 
_{Meaning of Traveling wave  may be confusing as explaining   formula not always relates to
the origin of the wave and the type of the wave. So longitudinal waves are excluded from quantum  worlds and belongs entirely  into classical mechanics.
So when  you look at  wave phenomena you must !! always remember  that you are reading the right explanation for right  type of wave.
To make it more confusing..
classical physics  called classical mechanics is  an observable world - something we can see or sense without special equipment..
-some wave behavior in both  words the classical physic and quantum physics can be very similar so often we use  longitudinal wave behavior to 
explain electromagnetic waves that belongs to quantum world.
example: the statement}

_{Traveling wave  is a wave in which the medium moves in the direction of propagation.}

_{applies to  longitudinal mechanical wave  that belongs to  classical mechanic section of the physics
here is yet another  explanation of Traveling  wave:
 https://byjus.com/physics/travelling-wave/#:~:text=A%20wave%20can%20be%20described%20as%20a%20disturbance,the%20medium%20is%20known%20as%20a%20travelling%20wave.}

Wesley

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Hi Wesley,
Thanks for your time analysing patent.


In the first section of patent (claims) it describes that  unidirectional current could be driven by progressive magnetic field of travelling wave  if there is fixed longitudal metallic conductor in the centre :
"The drag may be utilised for the acceleration of elec
trons in a vacuum discharge tube to resuit in a new form
of linear accelerator.
Or it may be utilised for establishing a unidirectional
current or voltage in a circuit comprising a relatively
fixed longitudinal conductor or semi-conductor. In this
case the exciting alternating current energy and a recti
fying device results which yields a uniform or modulated
output dependent on the exciting or input energy".


We know that in metals  flow of current is experiencing resistance due to collisions with atoms in metal lattice.
This is my proposal to overcome or reduce ohmic losses for  electrons drift in central conductor, caused by progressive magnetic field of travelling wave.
By kicking them out of central conductor by HV pulses at the same time.
Thermionic emission may also take place and enhance the process once central conductor gets heated by current flowing.
As SM stated for his TPU, he had a "DC current with some hasch".
Very interesting  thing for Thonemann energy converter is that :
" progressive magnetic field of a travelling Wave (for ex
ample the travelling wave produced in a loaded transmis
sion line or by spaced coils excited in different phases)
exerts a unidirectional drag upon eiectrons in the field
and that conversely a unidirectional notion of electrons
tends to produce or enhance a travelling wave. "


So we have self supporting action.


This is a beauty:
Progressive magnetic field could be easily created by loaded transmission line or by multiphase winding. So, for coils drive we can use even 3 phase current from wall socket.


Kind Regards,
Pix