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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #180 on: June 30, 2018, 04:44:29 AM »
Void and  Hoppy . Thank you for your comments.
I must agree with void in something.
Digging in, researching, experimenting  is better than doing nothing.
And if you still in the same place than what?
Did you lose  something but time?
The time is gona go  anyhow so what?
Did you lose some money?
I'm not so that sure,
Everything I bought and did not need any longer, I have  sold  for more than I paid for it.
Some time  a lot... to many times more than a lot .
So it all depends  - where you buying it from and  who do you sale it to.
Hoppy my friend, you are one of few very much important people here.
Please understand I  do not have frustration  at all.
I'm just incredibly happy  from being able to be with you guys and do what I love to do, despite any financial gain One might  have in mind .
Could not care less.
I could always  decide to do the same what Genepax and Lutec and EBM did...
I do not intend to do it.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #181 on: June 30, 2018, 09:58:44 AM »

My thought is why the sparkgap at the end of the long wire? Could it be doing something similar to what Kapanadze is using one for?
The problem for experimenters is sparkgaps generate a lot of HV electrical 'noise' (wideband radiation) and it often makes
digital equipment go on the blink or sometimes blows circuits. Not so easy to work with if you want to try to do careful measurements. :)
Hi Void,

Interesting thought about the Prentice long line spark-gap. If the Prentice patent bears a resemblance to Kapanadze's devices, then it might explain the apparently low tech and rather crudely contructed devices in his demos. The grenade might be acting as a HV step-down transformer. As you say, its a difficult platform for experimentation.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #182 on: June 30, 2018, 01:09:25 PM »


It is good to have ideas, but I think most people would agree that at some point you have to put
those ideas to the test on the bench to see if they might 'hold water' or not. My approach over the years has been to take
various ideas found in forums like this and my own ideas as well and try to distill them down to the simplest test setups
I can come up with to put those ideas to actual bench tests.



Hoppy, Void, Wesley,..

I agree with Void's statement,.... when will we start making some practical propsels for the bench?
As i think the last comments from Hoppy and Void about the number of ground connections etc. is being discussed long enough now.

Somebody any idea how to discover some aspects by proposing a bench / garden testsetup.

I would start by using a Microwave transformer ( for the following numbers in the scheamtic of Prentice)  1 to 7) in order to feed the primairy  912) of a tesla coil ( with spark gap) in order to get as close as possible to the 100kV.
Next can we use a 40 meter wire?.... and tune it approx @ 1.8- 2 Mhz?

Greetings


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« Reply #182 on: June 30, 2018, 01:09:25 PM »
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #183 on: June 30, 2018, 03:11:56 PM »
.... that the earth ground was not essential and that the device could work without it, albeit at reduced performance.ple deliberate faking, then maybe Kapanadze discovered some clever method of extracting energy using an elevated long horizontal aerial??
Ground wire was explained  in previous paragraph.
The only addition  to the ground section is capacitive coupling / inductive coupling
I did not go with that yet. (  paragraph  - impedance)

The main statement is.
EVERY CIRCUIT with flowing current must be closed circuit
 or other wording :

A circuit must be  presenting closed conducting path in order for a current to flow
Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #184 on: June 30, 2018, 05:17:30 PM »
Hoppy, Void, Wesley,..

when will we start making some practical propsels for the bench?
Somebody any idea how to discover some aspects by proposing a bench / garden testsetup.

I would start by using a Microwave transformer ( for the following numbers in the scheamtic of Prentice)  1 to 7) in order to feed the primairy  912) of a tesla coil ( with spark gap) in order to get as close as possible to the 100kV.
Next can we use a 40 meter wire?.... and tune it approx @ 1.8- 2 Mhz?

Greetings
The first tests  I suggested to make  I have  explained here:
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg522948/#msg522948
According to your expectations
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bench / garden testsetup.

Maybe you had in mind factor of expectations
- means what we are looking for.
We are looking for electric /electrostatic/ magnetic/ electromagnetic circuit response  :
-that includes but is not limited to HV impulses   "pumped" to  one of the two grounds
-HV electrostatic  potential in uninterrupted stage and its stability
-HV  impulses   "pumped" to  one of the two grounds losses gains, "arteffects" read at another ground in presence of Telluric current / or without .

After that   is done
we go to another set of tests including capacitors and Tesla coil
 
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #185 on: June 30, 2018, 05:31:55 PM »
The first tests  I suggested to make  I have  explained here:
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg522948/#msg522948
According to your expectations

Wesley

Wesley,
Thats the post from Void i guess?

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #186 on: June 30, 2018, 06:02:38 PM »
Apercore  Thank You.
It is general suggestion to these who wants to experiment.

 For all others waiting  for some action
I'm repeating my note from the  very first post of mine   in here.
Think of it as  My Diary
1.You can be a part of it.

2.It does not matter how much  or how little of profit or benefit you going to have being here as voluntary participants.
Everything is allowed to post that might be helpful.

However Russian Trools, Tzar Rats or any other nuisances are not allowed here. 

For these who do not understand it , especially coming from foreign language :
nuisance - is a person, thing, or circumstance causing inconvenience or annoyance.
======================================================
I'm filled with or showing great emotion to better of everyone of you.

That includes the Trolls and rats of  hostile regimes.
I think that  presenting to them much better alternative, or  making their  present activity  on verge of collapse 
due to  technological advance , stops   oppression systems supporting them.
Killers and criminals will not change , the  will just be unemployed .
Mostly they  are good just in what  they did in the past.

Please also note that in my personal opinion  present Russian System  can accept only radical methods of elimination.
Such as FE device

As much as I'm confident in  FE  I have worries  as well . I explained  it  so many times.
I want earth to be better place for humanity but not  to the point of mass devastation of  earth resources by  human kind  that " from now" is just
heaving good and easy life and multiply by numbers  till they have not much left all around to support them.
Wesley


 

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #187 on: June 30, 2018, 06:22:10 PM »
Apercore  Thank You.
It is general suggestion to these who wants experiment.

 For all others waiting  for some action
I'm repeating my note from the  very first post of mine   in here.
Think of it as  My Diary
1.You can be a part of it.

2.It does not matter how much  or how little of profit or benefit you going to have being here as voluntary participants.
Everything is allowed to post that might be helpful.

However Russian Trools, Tzar Rats or any other nuisances are not allowed here. 

For these who do not understand it , especially coming from foreign language :
nuisance - is a person, thing, or circumstance causing inconvenience or annoyance.
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I'm filled with or showing great emotion to better of everyone of you.

That includes the Trolls and rats of  hostile regimes.
I think that  presenting to them much better alternative, or  making their  present activity  on verge of collapse 
due to  technological advance , stops   oppression systems supporting them.
Killers and criminals will not change , the  will just be unemployed .
Mostly they  are good just in what  they did in the past.

Please also note that in my personal opinion  present Russian System  can accept only radical methods of elimination.
Such as FE device

As much as I'm confident in  FE  I have worries  as well . I explained  it  so many times.
I want earth to be better place for humanity but not  to the point of mass devastation of  earth resources by  human kind  that " from now" is just
heaving good and easy life and multiply by numbers  till they have not much left all around to support them.
Wesley

Wesley,
 i was only suggesting/ asking about doing some test work in order to make some practical steps forward, regarding the statement Void made in this.


Al the opinions about who and whoem are trolls or other kinds of people here i don 't give a dXmm...
I do understand you had and probally have some hard time with so called trolls etc.
But again..  i m only here for testing and learning even if it is a troll who is supporting me or us.

I hope you do understand me,...  its not personal ment ..  but only a reflection of who i am as a person.


Greetings

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #188 on: June 30, 2018, 06:29:35 PM »
Hi Apecore. Unfortunately I think no one can say for certain what might work and what might not.
My suggestion is for anyone interested to look at the basic components of circuits by
people like Daly, Akula, and Prentice, and try some different setups and see what kind of results you get.
If anyone gets any interesting results, they can post those results here if they like.

You are right that it is better to just ignore trolls and that sort of thing and focus energy on
positive things like exchanging ideas and trying experiments based on those ideas to look for any
interesting results. There will always be trolls and naysayers. No one can likely stop that so giving them
attention is probably just a waste of time and energy. :)

P.S.
General Warning/Disclaimer: High Voltage can be very dangerous. People should make sure they are fully aware of how to work with high voltage
safely before experimenting with it. Microwave oven transformers have high power capability and can easily kill a person.
Anyone experimenting with this kind of stuff experiments at their own risk. :)

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #189 on: June 30, 2018, 06:43:27 PM »
I think the following attached drawing is the general idea of how these setups might be 'over unity' (COP > 1).
The drawing is not at all meant to be a working OU circuit, but just shows the general idea of how these setups
might possibly achieve COP > 1. When we include interaction with the surrounding environment in a setup, we may
no longer have an entirely 'closed loop system', and the potential is there at least for seeing a COP > 1 by drawing in
energy from the environment somehow. Exactly how it might work, such as capturing cosmic or solar radiations / high energetic particles
or ions or other charged particles, or by resonating with telluric currents, or drawing in 'energy from the vacuum', etc. is still anyone's
guess I think, unless someone wants to spill the beans here. :) 

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« Reply #190 on: June 30, 2018, 07:10:19 PM »
I think the following attached drawing is the general idea of how these setups might be 'over unity' (COP > 1).
The drawing is not at all meant to be a working OU circuit, but just shows the general idea of how these setups
might possibly achieve COP > 1. When we include interaction with the surrounding environment in a setup, we may
no longer have an entirely 'closed loop system', and the potential is there at least for seeing a COP > 1 by drawing in
'energy' from the environment somehow. Exactly how it works, such as capturing cosmic radiations / high energetic particles
or ions or other charged particles, or by resonating with telluric currents, or drawing in 'energy from the vacuum', etc. is still anyone's
guess I think, unless someone wants to spill the beans here. :)
Apercore thank you for suggestions  I appreciate it very much.
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Void
1. There is no overunity  in any form, but there is something that looks  and presents itselves to our receptors  like overunity
 So I would agree to  such scenario:
a. the device is connected to the ground but must still be seen as closed circuit by any means.
b. the device  has resistive load
c. the device powers this load and load dissipates energy delivered .
d. the device might not be evidently  allowing us to understand its closed loop  structure.
e. there must be energy source that  than is converted by the device and delivered to the load.
f. it can be in form   of electron flow to the device by means of use  force based mechanism
    f1. force based mechanism  might be  electrostatic potential, but than we need  mechanism  supporting sustainability of such potential for the process to be  continuous at given time frame.
    f2. force mechanism  might be electric field, magnetic  component  of  electromagnetic field as long as it is not static from the stand point of  the FE device.
    f3. it must be presence of motion, - by means of classical or quantum physics.

In  simple words
-something must give  up  energy
- something else must convert that energy
- something else must store this energy
- something else must dissipate that energy

It was done many times in the past by use of wind solar  river flow  gravity and so on.


 Void what program do you use to draw your schematics?


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #191 on: June 30, 2018, 07:12:03 PM »
Hi Apecore. Unfortunately I think no one can say for certain what might work and what might not.
My suggestion is for anyone interested to look at the basic components of circuits by
people like Daly, Akula, and Prentice, and try some different setups and see what kind of results you get.
If anyone gets any interesting results, they can post those results here if they like.


Void,
Thanks again for your response.
I do agree we do not know what might work...  but we do have the oppertunity to disclose  f.e.  Wyatt's system step by step,...  by doing tests and see whats happening,....  important is the explanation why it will or won't do what was expected.

I like your simple approach in your last post....  i do agree we have to "cut "the elefant in pieces...  else we won t get in "standing up and walk"

I d like to combine the next step..    the resonance of the wire(19) in to your simple schematic.
In my opinion a  wave wil to fit into wire (19)...  The patent is suggesting that 0.8Km  compares with 0.5Mhz....  when tuned..  its close to the ( 300/ 800 = 0.375Mhz)...
In this case probably a full wave between secondary (13) and SG (21)...
When we use shorter wire length ratio's the frequenty will increase.... 

I did some measurements on a 40meter wire in my garden... placing it in a big circle in order to have the both ends close together for measuring the inductance.
This 40meter wire has a inductance of approx 55uH.
If we want to start from the convetional way...  (Coil>> Cap>> resonance) ..  the HV caps connected to earth will be very small.
As comparing to the Wyatt setup..  the frequenty at a 40Meter wire would be 20 times higher....  about 10Mhz..

Unless this all makes it proabably much difficult i do think we need to stay as much as possible to the original Wyatt patent configuration.
I hope you agree with this approach.

Greetings




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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #192 on: June 30, 2018, 07:42:14 PM »
...
 Void what program do you use to draw your schematics?
Wesley

Hi Wesley.
I think we are saying pretty much the same thing, as you have reiterated some of the same concepts as what I said. :)
When we 'open a system' to the environment in some way, the system is potentially at least no longer a fully closed system.
I used the term 'OU', because it is in common usage, but the more acceptable way to say it I think is COP > 1.
A heat pump is an  example of a setup which draws in energy from the environment and which can have a COP > 1.

I personally would not get hung up on the idea of it must be electrons or ions or whatever specifically being drawn in,
as it appears it is still a mystery at this point. How it actually works might possibly be something that is still
not understood at all.

Wesley I used DigiKey's free online schematic drawing application at this link:
https://www.digikey.com/schemeit
You just need to create a user account with DigiKey I think to use it for free.
It can do basic schematic drawings.
When I was done I just did a screen capture of the drawing to save it to a picture file.


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #193 on: June 30, 2018, 07:49:03 PM »
Apecore, it sounds like a good experiment approach to me.
I have conducted a number of experiments along this line already in the past,
so I am now taking a bit of time to review some of the basic setups by Kapanadze, Prentice, Daly, Akula again
and thinking about it all some more. As soon as I get some time I will continue with more experiments.
I am still reviewing info and thinking more about it all right at the moment. Trying to think
of some different approaches to take based on what I have already tried in my previous experiments. :)





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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #194 on: June 30, 2018, 08:05:34 PM »
Apecore, it sounds like a good experiment approach to me.
I have conducted a number of experiments along this line already in the past,
so I am now taking a bit of time to review some of the basic setups by Kapanadze, Prentice, Daly, Akula again
and thinking about it all some more. As soon as I get some time I will continue with more experiments.
I am still reviewing info and thinking more about it all right at the moment. Trying to think
of some different approaches to take based on what I have already tried in my previous experiments. :)

Ok i m fine with that.

I will see if i can make a setup running on either a sub harmonic (primairy side)..  in order to tune the secundairy at the approx. 10Mhz.
Getting it running and stable...   should be the first goal.

And of coarse frequenty adjustable in order to tune the secundairy frequenty in most efficient way

Greetings

 

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