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Author Topic: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum  (Read 443425 times)

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1785 on: January 04, 2019, 07:07:51 PM »
Hi Belfior.
It sounds like you are having a frustrating search finding the G. Kron article. ;)
If you can't find a copy of the article online, you can try going to
a library and see if they can find the article for you. They can check if any libraries
out there have a copy, and can possibly get a copy of the article for you if they can find the
particular publication at a library out there. A university library may be able to help you find it
if a public library can't help you. Give them the following info:
G. Kron, The frustrating search for a geometrical model of electro-dynamic networks.
Tensor (new series), 13, 111 - 128 (1963).

However, Gabriel Kron was by all indications a complete and total propeller head.
Unless you are comfortable with advanced math as applied to complex engineering topics
you may not understand much about what he wrote about in that article, but you never know.
There might be a few interesting tidbits in there that aren't expressed in complex mathematical equations.


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1785 on: January 04, 2019, 07:07:51 PM »

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1786 on: January 04, 2019, 08:20:24 PM »
Wesley,
Where is the surface wave receiving antenna in Kapanadze green box video?

One of  the best question  asked .
The surface wave is in the interface.
the interface is between  earth/air
The receiving antenna is  Kapanadze coil.
The reason for  its strange shape is to provide  phase match by means of winding that shortens overall length
of the wire  needed  in traditional Tesla coil to match the wavelength of surface wave that is linking it to Schumann waveguide boundary.
That boundary is the same  Earth air interface used by  surface wave.
Efficiency of such antenna is lower  but who cares.
In the device presented to me 
Tariel used  sharp end of HV wire to prick /punch the insulation of the wire in coil in different places, and by method of errors  and trials get to 90 degrees phase shift.

https://youtu.be/KLAPRNWuAn4?t=620 watch it for another  two minutes.
The phase match is created  by use of two generators, but you can use one generator with phase shift.
The initial phase relation is created by  9V battery powering  generators.
Than the energy  from one of polyphase components is interacting  (matching  phase shift) with surface wave.
Part of that energy is used to  keep the generators working.

We need to understand that  we do not deal with transmitted energy  but with  receiver. Rx
Receiver is more forgiving than  Tx
Wesley
« Last Edit: January 04, 2019, 11:27:44 PM by stivep »


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1787 on: January 04, 2019, 08:41:28 PM »
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1788 on: January 04, 2019, 08:59:07 PM »
To get an idea about possibilities:
  https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=US&NR=5590031A&KC=A&FT=D#

Hi lancaIV. That is an interesting patent. They claim their device will convert 'high frequency zero point
electromagnetic radiation energy to electrical energy', and their patent was granted (US5590031A).
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/37/c6/ba/566c00e9b0f513/US5590031.pdf
They use two dielectric spheres.

"Abstract
A system is disclosed for converting high frequency zero point electromagnetic radiation energy to electrical energy.
The system includes a pair of dielectric structures which are positioned proximal to each other and which receive incident
zero point electromagnetic radiation. The volumetric sizes of the structures are selected so that they resonate at a frequency
of the incident radiation. The volumetric sizes of the structures are also slightly different so that the secondary radiation emitted
there from at resonance interfere with each other producing a beat frequency radiation which is at a much lower frequency than
that of the incident radiation and which is amenable to conversion to electrical energy. An antenna receives the beat frequency radiation.
The beat frequency radiation from the antenna is transmitted to a converter via a conductor or waveguide and converted to electrical energy
having a desired voltage and waveform."

It is interesting, but Mr. Kapanadze does not seem to use two dielectric spheres or other such dielectric structures.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1789 on: January 04, 2019, 09:18:51 PM »
Void,  Kapanadze: Impedance matching network here
 Mead, Nachamkin: beat frequency circuit and transformer
It is to compare and to search and find the easiest way to get "common" DC or AC current.



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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1790 on: January 04, 2019, 09:29:24 PM »
Void,  Kapanadze: Impedance matching network here
 Mead, Nachamkin: beat frequency circuit and transformer
It is to compare and to search and find the easiest way to get "common" DC or AC current.

Hi lancaIV. An impedance matching network serves the purpose of converting from
one input impedance to a different output impedance, typically used for the purpose of
achieving maximum power transfer.

The two spheres in the Mead and Nachamkin patent appear to serve the purpose of being
receivers of very high frequency 'zero point' EM radiation, which are located close together
and which are slightly different sizes so as to create the beat frequency between them
on their secondary radiation. This beat frequency approach is used to convert the very high frequency
down to a much lower usable frequency.

An impedance matching network and the use of the spheres as described have two quite different functions.
Did I miss your point?


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« Reply #1791 on: January 04, 2019, 09:59:58 PM »
https://books.google.pt/books?id=v_K6jmnGTS4C&pg=PA43&lpg=PA43&dq=zpe+mead&source=bl&ots=pwEFF0FmhC&sig=F2_H4wwEajK1bzoM_tGW-yl6G2Q&hl=de&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiO_5qz5dTfAhWLMhQKHe6tD-AQ6AEIGzAG#v=onepage&q=zpe%20mead&f=false
Let us see all this devices as nanorectifiers, what is the perfect match which gives ready to use AC or DC current ! When we know the ready "all inclusive" concept then we can calculate the KWh-price and valuate the idea !
I am very interested in " nice price" solutions like :
 https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=11&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19860304&CC=US&NR=4574161A&KC=A#
1984  Calculation with inflation rate and machine costs decrease :  2019 10$/sqm selling price
1984: 1 US$ production and 10 US$ selling  project; 2019 open source = -70% typical and common price drop
Okay, 1 year lifetime " foil"- cells !
1,5 US$cents per KWh ( 1400 KWh radiation per annum and 75%x 0,75% = 56,25% Tandem-cell eff.)

and when needed
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=12&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19880119&CC=US&NR=4720642A&KC=A#
What happens therein?  seychelles offer :  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dihQuwrf9yQ  Resonator

The Femto-Diode , from 1988, in re-/search and since then newer devices and methods applying :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments?CC=US&NR=4720642A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19880119&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP
"dielectric" material differs from Piezo-/Pyro-/Petraelectric material by which eV,dB,nm ? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biefeld%E2%80%93Brown_effect

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1792 on: January 04, 2019, 10:52:05 PM »
Thanks Wesley. The Kapanadze green box device lamp load is connected between the ground wire (running through the centre of the antenna / grenade) and one end of the antenna winding - see attached clip. This does not make sense to me in relation to the schematics you posted in your reply to me. Can you explain this please?

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« Reply #1793 on: January 05, 2019, 12:05:13 AM »
Thanks Wesley. The Kapanadze green box device lamp load is connected between the ground wire (running through the centre of the antenna / grenade) and one end of the antenna winding - see attached clip. This does not make sense to me in relation to the schematics you posted in your reply to me. Can you explain this please?
I'll  try.
There are  many ways to receive  surface wave.
Viziv page shows three different concepts.
Tariel Kapanadze used  at least 5 different concepts.
The common factor for all of that from Viziv and Tariel together  is the means  of tuning.
Note: I have seen  green box only  on video.

Note: second picture is  related only to that  particular concept
Word rotation means  change of angle only.
Note: original patent application  of Corum Brothers says:
about CW/CCW winding !!!!! read it you'll see it.

They knew about it.

Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1793 on: January 05, 2019, 12:05:13 AM »
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1794 on: January 05, 2019, 12:24:47 AM »
I'll  try.
There are  many ways to receive  surface wave.
Viziv page shows three different concepts.
Tariel Kapanadze used  at least 5 different concepts.
The common factor for all of that from Viziv and Tariel together  is the means  of tuning.
Note: I have seen  green box only  on video.


Wesley
Thanks Wesley. However, the kapanadze load is misplaced in respect to your crossed representation because the load is in series connection with the one leg of the antenna and the ground wire.

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« Reply #1795 on: January 05, 2019, 12:34:57 AM »
Thanks Wesley. However, the kapanadze load is misplaced in respect to your crossed representation because the load is in series connection with the one leg of the antenna and the ground wire.
look at  picture 12a you have series  connection.
just cut out impedance matching box as if it  did not exist.You use it only if you need it.
You can do  the same with 12b
There you go
You may still call it parallel but  it is series with respect to ground
You may say there is no ground.
Than think about counterpoise.
Kapanadze concept was much more advanced but it was very unstable and highly reactive.
Kapanadze was trying to move his device only in vertical axis Y. Walking with it would ruin his show.
I did the same here with placing dielectric on the top of another.
https://youtu.be/KLAPRNWuAn4?t=1174
and not to much.

Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1796 on: January 05, 2019, 01:36:10 AM »
I decided to  make comment ,
 

https://patents.google.com/patent/US4751515A/en

contra-wound
combined
= CCW/ CW = Kapanadze coil
                     =  Akula  coil
                     = SR193  coil
                     = Vasmus coil
                     = Ruslan   coil 
 = all of them....
show me just one... just show me one who does not...

notice:  wording talking about Vertical Polarization.
And the best of all this patent  expired .It is free.. Free To all of us.

So F6FLT with his comment was likely trying to drive your attention out of it , possibly in hope that
you are uneducated  enough  to see what he is doing.
But  there is  always  an option that he is simply very nice guy from the "old school".
This is  his original post with my comments on it.
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg529462/#msg529462
as you  see  F6FLT size of an antenna does not matter much.
the golden rule is: First resonate than radiate.

I wish you the best in 2019 dear F6FLT
Wesley
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1797 on: January 05, 2019, 02:38:34 AM »
contra-wound
combined
= CCW/ CW = Kapanadze coil
                     =  Akula  coil
                     = SR193  coil
                     = Vasmus coil
                     = Ruslan   coil 
 = all of them....
show me just one... just show me one who does not...


Hi Wesley. From what I recall Daly did not use counter windings, but he demonstrated a self runner.
Daly showed all the details of his coil windings in pictures on his blog when he disassembled
his coil assembly. From what I recall, his coil did not have counter windings. All windings were wound just
as normal windings on his cardboard form. I will have to go back and look at my saved Daly files to confirm,
but that is what I recall. I am not trying to be contrary here at all. You asked about any that did not use
counter windings. :) How do you know for certain that SR193 and Vasmus used counter windings?
Did they reveal the details of their coil windings somewhere?


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1798 on: January 05, 2019, 02:41:32 AM »
Hi Wesley. From what I recall Daly did not use counter windings, but he demonstrated a self runner.
Daly showed all the details of his coil windings in pictures on his blog when he disassembled
his coil assembly. From what I recall, his coil did not have counter windings. All windings were wound just
as normal windings on his cardboard form. I will have to go back and look at my saved Daly files to confirm,
but that is what I recall. I am not trying to be contrary here at all. You asked about any that did not use
counter windings. :)
Yes please do it.
We may  assign his coil to one of concepts of Corum brothers.
Thank you.
By the way I did not list Daly
Look also at word: combined.
from text above.
Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1799 on: January 05, 2019, 02:52:08 AM »
#2074 James Corum 1980 priority year patent to citing documents
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments?CC=US&NR=4751515A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=&date=19880614&DB=&locale=
with newest 2018 entry from CPG Technologies ( not to promote only to compare 1980 knowledge with 2018 technical standart)

 

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