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« Reply #165 on: June 27, 2018, 05:16:39 AM »
Hi guys.

Sorry that the schematic image is a bit wide. I am in a hurry.
I will just post the schematic and patent doc I was referring to. Don't have time to comment much right now.

In around 1923, an American electrical engineer named Frank Wyatt Prentice was doing research work for the railroad
in the area of wireless power transfer/wireless power control, and says he discovered that sending
a HV HF waveform (at resonance) from a long wire a little above the ground in the freq. area of about 500 kHz
to a receiving loop antenna was giving him a power gain (COP) of about 6.
For now I will just attach the schematic with some explanatory notes I added and the Canadian patent application
document which was approved in 1925. Not sure why he patented it in Canada, but maybe he was working in Canada
at the time, but that is just a guess. Maybe there was some other reason.

He hypothesized that when the long wire transmitting antenna was at resonance at around 500 kHz that it was resonating with
the earth currents and this caused the mysterious power gain (COP of about 6). He used a sparkgap in the long
wire antenna and tuned the wire for exact resonance, and had two earth ground connections at each end of the long transmitting wire.

He used a small tuned loop antenna to receive the power. He stated about 500 W input and about 3 kW output,
powering 50 x 60W carbon filament light bulbs to 'full candle power'. See the attached schematic and patent doc.
Although I am pretty sure he was just guessing about his antenna resonating at the same frequency as earth ground currents
which caused the power gain, he does make some interesting observations about how small height and frequency changes
affected the output power. What really made it work (assuming he wasn't making a major measurement error) is anyone's guess.

Replace the resonant long wire transmitting antenna with a resonant tesla coil and the small loop receiving antenna with a receiving coil
and you would essentially have a very compact version of the setup seemingly similar to Kapanadze. He said you could replace the
earth ground hop with a metal wire, but it reduced the performance. Maybe Kapanadze just figured out how to make this sort of setup 
work with a single earth ground connection and much more compact arrangement...

P.S. I forgot to label #21 on the drawing. It is of course a sparkgap.
Frank Prentice may possibly have been a Canadian, as the patent ownership was listed as:
THE PRENTICE ELECTRIC POWER APPLIANCE COMPANY OF CANADA LIMITED
However, for some reason Frank Prentice put his location on the patent drawing as Meadville, Penn'a (Pennsylvania).
At any rate, what I am drawing attention to is the similarities of the setup in his patent doc to Kapanadze/DalyAkula devices. :)
« Last Edit: June 27, 2018, 03:30:06 PM by Void »

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« Reply #166 on: June 27, 2018, 05:21:56 AM »
Void and others  thank you for your input .
I will get closer to it
Wesley 

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« Reply #167 on: June 27, 2018, 06:25:23 PM »
An interesting side note on 'Frank Wyatt Prentice'.
I found an entry on the ancestry.ca website for a 'Frank Wyatt Prentice'.
The info listed seems to match reasonably well with the Frank Wyatt Prentice who filed the Canadian patent:

Frank Wyatt Prentice (1868 - 1937)
Born in Garrettsville, Ohio, USA on 1868.
Frank Wyatt Prentice married Adelia Roberts and had 6 children.
He passed away on 7 Nov 1937 in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
https://www.ancestry.ca/genealogy/records/frank-wyatt-prentice_69000255

So, if this is referring to the same 'Frank Wyatt Prentice', it seems he was
born in the USA but later moved to Canada. This would seem to explain why
this guy seemed to be associated with both the USA and Canada, and filed his
patent application in Canada. If it is the same guy, it appears some of his children
might still be alive, although they would be pretty old.
The wonders of the internet... :)


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« Reply #168 on: June 27, 2018, 07:35:42 PM »
Hi Wesley, guys,

I have been away for quite a while. Very busy with work.
Wesley thanks for posting your ideas on Kapanadze's devices.

A few comments:

It is good to have ideas, but I think most people would agree that at some point you have to put
those ideas to the test on the bench to see if they might 'hold water' or not. My approach over the years has been to take
various ideas found in forums like this and my own ideas as well and try to distill them down to the simplest test setups
I can come up with to put those ideas to actual bench tests.



Hi Wesley, guys, 
Regarding some of the ideas you have been mentioning here:
Electrostatic charging of capacitors:
I have experimented with using a high voltage electrostatic voltage applied to one
plate of a HV pulse capacitor (low ESR) with the other plate of the capacitor connected to earth ground, and I
was only able to get a weak charging effect. The capacitor was 'charged' using HV discharge pulses
through a sparkgap and through a HV, high speed diode to rectify the pulses to DC, so the cap could charge.
I tried the HV diode in both orientations (cathode to ground, anode to ground) with the same very poor results.
Results: Very weak charging on the capacitor. Output power would be very tiny compared to input
power to drive the HV flyback transformer.

PART1 of  how to prepare and verify Kapagen , Kapanadze, Akula ground  role  using two grounds
 I will post soon, second part covering CAPACITORS and ELECTROSTATICS.

The point of reference is important.
1.Try two grounds grounds wire #1 and ground wire #2
2.step the distance between them  5m, 10m, 15m 50m, starting from the smallest one first.
   Note: is some cases changing geographical orientation  e.g N/S( North to South)  S/E can help  but this is not critical.
3. Use gauge 0 or  gauge 1 wire to connect to the ground.
4. ground rods: copper  2.5cm or thicker. at 1.5m in the ground  at best./ can be as well cold water pipe inlet from the    street.
5. connect  oscilloscope in such a way that :
TEST#1
your oscilloscope is floating (that means - powered by isolation transformer 1:1 ) or from battery 12V directly.
connect your oscilloscope to both of the grounds and see if there  is any presence of AC or DC offset.
look at presence of any   waveforms   or DC offset. on your screen
Note: Now you have tested your grounds for presence of Telluric current. The depth  of your ground rods was never explained( or I did not find it)  in old books but the deeper the better.
============================================================
TEST#2
a.your signal generator  BNC or N connector  ( depends from what generator you use - the hot wire central pin) is connected  to your ground #1 wire.
a1.your signal generator is floating  means it is powered using isolating transformer or  directly from 12V battery and  inverter 12V to 110V (or 220V)
Option: your signal generator  can be just PCB board directly powered from 12V battery
Note: the typical battery used in old telegraph in 19th century  was 34-38V so there might be  helpful to step up with voltage transformer.
Please remember that Voltage Transformer
- distort the waveform  unless it is winded like glen Transformer  some pictures will be posted if requested
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b. the ground wire  of your generator ( shield of BNC or N connector is connected to ground wire of your oscilloscope.
b1.Your oscilloscope is also floating ( floating- is explained  right above)
Your hot wire of your probe  of your  oscilloscope is connected to ground wire #2
You have now  assembly to test   current and  voltage flow using ground instead of wire.
c.   check  if you have any AC signals shown on your oscilloscope.
c1. when you have signals than find amplitude   and amplitude loss of these signals.
c2. be aware that  such  connection may  act as resonance circuit and as such requires to play  with different frequencies delivered   from your  signal  generator , to establish  resonances.
You have now  tested your ground for  impedance components and response based on frequency
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TEST #3.
d.
Take 12V battery  and small load and connect between two grounds with load in series. (   resistive load  such as  small light-bulb 12v.. can be smaller as well.)
e.  if your lightbulb is  working than place V meter  across the light bulb.
f.   if your lightbulb is  working than place  Ammeter  in series with  lightbulb.
Note  if it is not working  than  place your V meter or oscilloscope  between two grounds  and look for DC offset and compare it wit Voltage delivered from battery.
 you have now  checked  your grounds for conductivity and resistance
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Now we are ready to play witch capacitors and the ground
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For some other methods  of measuring ground please go videos below.
Note: that  this measurement explained  in  videos  does not prvide us with information  described in 
TEST#1
TEST#2
TEST#3
videos explaining commercial methods but only for earth resistance
1. https://youtu.be/x8B1tjiOkvU?t=155
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9CjydiUkAI this one is good
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiXR-Lcx_Vw
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGLCipXtfTU
5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rTLKXt8HzQ well this one  view as last video

 
 
Wesley
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« Reply #169 on: June 28, 2018, 07:32:43 PM »


It is good to have ideas, but I think most people would agree that at some point you have to put
those ideas to the test on the bench to see if they might 'hold water' or not. My approach over the years has been to take
various ideas found in forums like this and my own ideas as well and try to distill them down to the simplest test setups
I can come up with to put those ideas to actual bench tests.


At any rate, what I am drawing attention to is the similarities of the setup in his patent doc to Kapanadze/DalyAkula devices. :)

Hi Void,

I appreciate your review based on your analyses and your years of experiences on this forum.
What makes it interesting is that you are pointing in the bench direction...

I posted two qoutes from your last posts........ 

I d like to add ... to your last post is that the drawing is more less typical the Tesla transformer setup instead a dally or kapanadze sort of application.
There is no continues second "static"wave as made by the inductor loop ...


But never the less.....  at the end of the day...  the process of charging the "output" coil trough the air is significant for most all of this types of related setups.
As Also Nelson posted lately on of his first Youtube vids ..  showing similar mode of operations.
To bad Nelson is not sharing more details about the coils configs etc.


So referring to your first quote... lets define the aspects shown in the drawing..... as i must admit..  i cannot place a 800 meter wire nearby my bench.
There must be some way in between the Tesla transformer layout and this long transmission line setup what could be tested on the bench.
All of course being explained after analysing the initial components and its function.

So i m in for joining some testing in this... as i think it will help to come further in the Ruslan type of setup also.
 

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« Reply #170 on: June 28, 2018, 08:46:56 PM »
Thank you guys for posting interesting material.
I'm traveling.
I'm making stops  in my trips  and that allowed me to  post  some comments.

I regards to  grounding rod so I can  go along with the discussion there are  some  helpful articles and one of them  is here
http://www.esgroundingsolutions.com/different-types-of-grounding-electrodes/

in regards to my last picture   about  screw  grounding rod
I found one here  https://swaindistribution.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=TETGR
However  $135 is plenty of money  spend by most of you and you need   two of them.
unless you already one have ground  wire somewhere  in your house and you need  just another one in your backyard
Make sure that  ground wire  is gauge #0 or #1 and is  in insulation!! Not bare wire!!
 

Wesley

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« Reply #171 on: June 28, 2018, 11:58:17 PM »
Hi Void,

I appreciate your review based on your analyses and your years of experiences on this forum.
What makes it interesting is that you are pointing in the bench direction...

I posted two qoutes from your last posts........ 

I d like to add ... to your last post is that the drawing is more less typical the Tesla transformer setup instead a dally or kapanadze sort of application.
There is no continues second "static"wave as made by the inductor loop ...


But never the less.....  at the end of the day...  the process of charging the "output" coil trough the air is significant for most all of this types of related setups.
As Also Nelson posted lately on of his first Youtube vids ..  showing similar mode of operations.
To bad Nelson is not sharing more details about the coils configs etc.


So referring to your first quote... lets define the aspects shown in the drawing..... as i must admit..  i cannot place a 800 meter wire nearby my bench.
There must be some way in between the Tesla transformer layout and this long transmission line setup what could be tested on the bench.
All of course being explained after analysing the initial components and its function.

So i m in for joining some testing in this... as i think it will help to come further in the Ruslan type of setup also.
Hmm I seam to remember you were building a  Ruslan Akula Sergey cross device well how are you getting on with that
Hardware ? If we cast our minds back a while T1000 was stating some disappointing fact the late Adrian may he RIP poor chap
used a secondary transmitter tuned to the kacher frequency if we look at the Don Smith device i see a similarity developing here.
Err has it with you ? re the recent development in the release of many unseen video's

AG

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« Reply #172 on: June 29, 2018, 06:14:30 AM »
Hi Void,

I appreciate your review based on your analyses and your years of experiences on this forum.
What makes it interesting is that you are pointing in the bench direction...

I posted two qoutes from your last posts........ 

I d like to add ... to your last post is that the drawing is more less typical the Tesla transformer setup instead a dally or kapanadze sort of application.
There is no continues second "static"wave as made by the inductor loop ...


But never the less.....  at the end of the day...  the process of charging the "output" coil trough the air is significant for most all of this types of related setups.
As Also Nelson posted lately on of his first Youtube vids ..  showing similar mode of operations.
To bad Nelson is not sharing more details about the coils configs etc.


So referring to your first quote... lets define the aspects shown in the drawing..... as i must admit..  i cannot place a 800 meter wire nearby my bench.
There must be some way in between the Tesla transformer layout and this long transmission line setup what could be tested on the bench.
All of course being explained after analysing the initial components and its function.

So i m in for joining some testing in this... as i think it will help to come further in the Ruslan type of setup also.

Hi apecore. Yes, you are right. The Prentice setup seems to be more similar to Kapandze's bare bones
setups shown in his early demonstrations, than to Daly and Akula setups. However, they
all appear to rely on a good earth ground as an important component in the setup.

I think Prentice's setup can potentially be made much more compact by using coils of
wire (like Kapanadze appears to use) rather than using large long wire and loop antennas. If Kapanadze's
device is legit, then it seems coils of wire should work.

Here is some of what I take away from Prentice's patent comments as being noteworthy:
The frequency you tune to may well be quite critical, and you may have to experiment tuning through a wide range of frequencies
to see what might work in your specific location and with your specific setup. I think this would not be so easy to do at all with
a tesla coil which resonates at a specific frequency. If you are not tuned for the right frequency range for you area, you may see no effect at all.
If this is correct, this means we may need to put on our thinking caps to think how we might test to find the right frequency range for the area any particular person lives in.
Anything which effects circuit tuning would need to be well controlled.
However, Kapanadze's early bare bones setup didn't look to me like it was too critically tuned, so I still wonder about
how critical frequency and tuning really are for Kapanadze's devices anyway. It is possible Kapanadze is doing
something quite a bit different than in Prentice's setup however, or it may be that Kapanadze's devices are
carefully tuned for a certain critical frequency.
The transmitting antenna/coil/loop it seems may need to have a sparkgap to ground at one end. (Except maybe if you are doing it the Daly/Akula way instead with no sparkgap).
These are just some ideas based on what Prentice outlined in his patent doc. Experimenting will be required to see if any of it proves useful.

Hi Wesley:
One problem with using a scope to view waveforms from earth ground connections is if you have AM broadcast band (medium wave band) radio stations in your area,
those radio signals can appear on ground connections and they are in the frequency range of about 530 kHz to 1.6 Mhz or so,
depending what country you are in. I have seen this happen in some of my testing.
That's interesting about the screw in ground rod. That might be very handy to have. :)




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« Reply #173 on: June 29, 2018, 07:02:07 AM »
hm.. 500khz .. that's a wavelength of lambda 1= 600m

how ever one could use lambda1/4 as a coil ore box antenna without ending up having what's called a magnetic antenna as long as you use a relateivly  long groundwire  (say 20m for a first test) .
look at the videos of some of the guyes, some of em mad a lot of effort to get the best earth ground they can get .. and at the same time they use a sh..ty wire to connect to the device! an allways relatively long sooo?

just how i look at it :)

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« Reply #174 on: June 29, 2018, 08:22:07 AM »


Here is some of what I take away from Prentice's patent comments as being noteworthy:
The frequency you tune to may well be quite critical, and you may have to experiment tuning through a wide range of frequencies
to see what might work in your specific location and with your specific setup. I think this would not be so easy to do at all with
a tesla coil which resonates at a specific frequency.

Hi Void,

Yes it could be a important parameter the location and its specific frequenty to tune.
This would not make it easyer due we would need to stick on the long wire principle........   Using the wire as a coil it would effect its inductance and therefore the needed caps to tune it in the right specific resonance (earth).
This all together probably the first step to think about is resulting in a lot of "mayor" changes...regarding the patent setup.

1- if specific frequenty is approx 500khz.... and the setup needs in that order a specific reactance from the capacitor this needs to be related to the wire inductance (coil part), so changing the wire into a coil would have a mayor effect on this relationship.

2- If the frequenty is not depending on the location .... and more related to the COP factor it would be possible to use shorter wire (same physical configuration),..  but using a higher frequenty.

This last statement is in fact also a kapanadze/ dally approach due the wire lengths are shorter and also the inductance ( now it is getting tricky,...  800 mter wire what would its inductance be?...  would it approx. the same as the bifilar kapanadze coil?  ( 100- 300uH)

Lets formulte some objectives before starting drilling groundrods..

a) Wire or coil in relation to capacitance / inductance reactance ........is a specific capacitance reactance needed?
b) Is wirelength a power factor or related to the needed eart(location) frequenty?

Just some out of the box suggestions.


Greetings



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« Reply #175 on: June 29, 2018, 03:20:02 PM »
<blockquote>Question was addressed to me by some fresh guy in PM. I  funded it interesting enough for some other guys who explore photon interaction with  that particular compound of Colman.
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Wesley,
Could you please tell me where to get the amp you call the "Israeli one"?
I looked up the number from your video and could find it nowhere and I am very good at fidning things online.

Thanks,
Mick
</blockquote>Wesley's response:

The amplifier does not have to be  exactly the same as the one, I have used in Colman Experiment.
It can be any amplifier (100W at best) .
Look for frequency range.wideband

It is good to have set of them  wide frequency range amplifiers  (e.g tunable from 1MHZ to 50MHZ or more. I did  not test Colman device at this range.)
Search on line for 100MHz to 500MHz amplifier and so on.
Hams they have plenty of them but not so wide-band, however that is not  so much of a problem.
Ham gears are cheap and easy to modify. 
It is like manufacturer  (Kenwood Yesu) have made it  at the design  to be wideband and than implemented -FCC licensee Ham limiter circuit. 
Most of these  transceivers  can be easily modified and there is plenty of  instructions how to do it.

Place I got my original  Israeli Amplifier XRF-694  100- 500MHz is no longer available.
The simplest way to test Colman is as weird as it sounds: to  press manually as fast as you can switch( or button on your transceiver microphone)
The signal send can be  unmodulated carrier or modulated carrier  it does  not matter.
I have  noticed that impulses as long as 4 seconds at full amplitude and right frequency have made the trick

So if you use Ham gear at 70cm Ham band  (or 440 MHz - frequency  of regular transceiver) is  the range of frequencies from 420 to 450 MHz without  modification,
becomes  unlimited in most of cases opening "all restricted" 

Used gears can be purchased for few .
Be sure that power  output is not less than 100W
Be sure that  if you play with Colman based on  chemical formula  You do not send long impulses  as your antenna is just piece of wire and your impedance mismatch ( high SWR) may damage   the high end of transmitter.
I used matching box  transmatch or  antenna tunner , but it is not needed.
As unbelievable as it sounds - Be sure that you have neutron detector.


 
Now here is  what is happening in Colman but first you need to know/refresh some  of  (learned  college/university)   theory.
A free neutron is one that is not bound in a nucleus.
The half-life of a free neutron is about 10.2 minutes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_neutron_decay

If you are science student   or professor do not lough from that just look at my videos
Colman Compound turned to be unstable and  from Neutron analyzer stand point it  acted as "neutron gun."

At that point in time ,my lab was not so  advanced in analysis of  particle  physics subject - ( alpha, beta,  gamma, X-ray).
So the claim I have made than -  might  allow  now at 2018   to look at it as possible presence  of  another  mechanism to explain results of  experiment.

Wesley's quote from 2004
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...or if not than any other mechanism must of  be present causing neutron analyzer to go crazy while gamma was at insignificant level.
false Ionization of  detector due to RF is excluded.  Neutron activity was dangerously high
However  when we have "neutron gun" we can do so many  incredible things.
And it is big money , real big money . Typical commercial Neutron sources cost  often more than 100 000 dollars .

And there is nothing in it !!!
nothing that  cost more  than few bucks.
You usually  are paying Just for name of manufacturer, application and  form of it.
The simplest neutron  source is Californium but it is expensive.
However any  neutron source/ gun can be made/ replicated   for  literary   average Joe  weekly salary.
This thing is real and  it works.


Statement : I do not encourage anyone to play with it. I'm not responsible for your action guys.
Well the statement must be made as there are plenty  of small time  "rats" out there.- and the big one too.
 
At some point in our lives, we have got to conclusion that can be phrased as:
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from now, we need to know what to say  and with  whom it is safe to interact.
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« Reply #176 on: June 29, 2018, 06:36:26 PM »

Remember Kapanadze was apparently not trained at all in electronics and also apparently didn't even have
an oscilloscope, so if his devices really work then the principle behind it would seem not to be very complicated.
From what I have seen, many people seem to try to over complicate things, even though they are aware that
Kapanadze was using only a very simple setup and apparently only had simple measurement tools such as
a voltmeter/multimeter and clamp ammeters.
We appear to again be wandering off onto esoteric operating theories that really in my opinion do not relate to what we witness as in Kapanadze's various demos. Kapanadze stated to a.king21's team during the Aqua2 demo, along the lines, that the earth ground was not essential and that the device could work without it, albeit at reduced performance. Also, Kapanadze was wary of operataing the device during stormy weather conditions. This information, if accurate, does not suggest to me that the source of energy was from the ground. The Aqua 2 device apparently had just one ground wire, so could not have operated using the two ground rod principle shown by Wesley. The clues here rather suggest an aeriel source of energy that is returned to ground via the device. Those that have carefully studied the 'green box' series of videos will have seen an aeriel wire from the perimeter fence adjacent the roadway, to the tree in the garden. Although its not possible to conclude that this wire was carrying energy to the device, nonetheless, in my opinion, its far more unlikely that the source of energy was contained within the device box itself. Ruling out simple deliberate faking, then maybe Kapanadze discovered some clever method of extracting energy using an elevated long horizontal aerial??

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #177 on: June 29, 2018, 08:22:39 PM »

PARAGRAPH 1.
dedicated to Capacitors.

In my previous posts  I was talking about :
1 basic  structure of Tariel Kapanadze device standing that in all of his devices he used the same mechanism.
2. ground and grounding systems
3. telluric current
4. it will be from now:
a.  capacitors
b. ways to store energy
c.ways to store  or  temporary storage of charge


Note : I will not be easy nor interesting for some of you:
You have choice to
- ignore it
- be lazy on it
- or get deep into it
some of  you looking for easy money or easy manual  it  might  be disappointing, however you never know,
I might  just go with more than I intended to go with.
I got post  under video of  Iranian Canadian Guy  I have  criticized, that was full of hate  and I may assume wrote  by Russian Troll.    The rat of  Russian Tzar.
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So now it is the time to go to capacitors:

1. ''A capacitor is a passive two-terminal electrical component that stores potential energy in an electric field.
The effect of a capacitor is known as capacitance. Any capacitor is two or more  "plates" separated by a dielectric or insulator.
While some capacitance exists between any two electrical conductors in proximity in a circuit, a capacitor is a component designed to add capacitance to a circuit.
The capacitor was originally known as a condenser or condensator or kondensator.''

2. Capacitor behavior:

a.  For DC , A capacitor opposes a change in voltage,
Electrons will "pile up" on one of the plates of the capacitor.
As electrons are "piling up" on one plate, their presence there will create an electric field across the dielectric to the other plate.
The capacitor is charging, and the voltage source will, for the first instant of time, think that things are "fine" and current will flow.
But as the capacitor charges, current flow drops off, and it eventually stops when the voltage across the plates equals the source voltage.
The voltage developing across the plates of the capacitor opposes the battery voltage. Eventually the capacitor is charged and all current flow has stopped.
When implementing  pulse that has DC on he top of its maximum  amplitude  and AC component the rising and falling  edge  to the charged or non charged  capacitor ,
we are creating fluctuation in the capacitor  and current flow , voltage change till it saturates again.
Capacitors might switch places to charge and discharges

b.
  For AC  we have different forms of capacitors and capacitive reactions .
Statement: any conductor connected  or not connected  has  capacitance despite its form.
by that piece of wire has its own capacitance even it it physically represents one single piece of conductor.
b1. Current through a capacitor is proportional to the rate of change of voltage across it.
But in the case of dc supply, the rate of change of voltage is zero.
Hence the capacitor current is also zero.
   "Capacitive reactance -- the "resistance" of a capacitor to current flow -- is found by 1/(2*pi*f*C).
For high frequencies, this "resistance" is low, allowing current flow. The lower the frequency, the higher this "resistance" is.
DC or direct current is consider "zero" Hertz frequency and the capacitive reactance ("resistance") at this point is infinite, allowing no current flow at all.
So, the higher the frequency, the easier it is for the signal to pass through the capacitor; the lower the frequency, the more difficult it is for current to pass and impossible for DC.       "
b2. Use of capacitors that are "made as capacitors" does not differ in its behavior from any other  form of capacitance in any conductor.
Although it might be limited and not totally correct  answer, lets stay with that for now.
b3.  applications of capacitors:
The most common use for capacitors is energy storage. Additional uses include power conditioning, signal coupling or decoupling, electronic noise filtering, and remote sensing.
for example:
-The rectifier create half or full wave, the capacitor smooth it into a constant DC
-  filter the noise
-as time delay functions, let say an amplifier have a mute function on a power amplifier IC.
-Then a resistor and capacitor is used to create a voltage ramp so that the voltage can slowly rise until it turns the outputs on quietly
-Capacitors can be used across relay contacts to absorb back emf from inductive loads when relay switch off.
-Capacitors in switch mode regulators to convert pulse width modulated signals into regulated dc power rails.
-In split-rail power supplies, split-rail voltage converters use the charge-pump voltage doubler or Switched-Capacitor concept to convert one supply rail into two supply rails for example it converts +9V to a +9v and -9V rail.
-Capacitors resonant circuit (filters chokes)

c. Testing any capacitor
can be done by simply shorting out the two terminals to discharge any existing 'charge' (start from scratch, aka zero basis),
then connecting an ohm-meter to it to determine if it's capable of developing maximum resistance (charge build-up).
Quote
http://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_behaviour_of_a_capacitor_to_AC_and_DC
 A discharged capacitor will have zero resistance (dead-short, zero ohms),
-- wow really?.... or it is possibly infinite resistance?
Explanation from internet:
Quote
http://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_behaviour_of_a_capacitor_to_AC_and_DC
It doesn't matter if it is AC or DC.    When you apply voltage (put the terminals from your ohm-meter to it) across the leads, it should quickly build up resistance.
If you have an analogue meter, it will read shorted, then should quickly sweep to infinity.   
With a digital meter, it's a bit more difficult as the meter will 'sample' every so-often, refresh the display, then show an infinity resistance... leading you to think wtf is it doing? This happens very fast, and most often what will happen is that within 1-4 seconds of connecting your digital ohm meter to a cap, it'll blank the display, and do nothing afterwards.... which means it's reached it's limits of impedance measurement.   
This a simple basic way to test a capacitor to see if it is 'capacitating'.
There are more involved methods which involve T/RC to determine the actual value, but should be covered in detail  if needed.
Resistance to what? 
Pretty lady at the corner?
So crowd ,Are you happy? ???
?? Now? ???
??Gush...
Wesley's comment: this  quote from above was not made by physics guy, it was made just for general public to be happy, by  one of the members of that crowd.
So please to be little more conservative when accepting such explanations. !!!!

c1.
Does capacitor  have resistance :
The capacitor holds the charge until there is a path to ground and the capacitor discharges.
Actually, the capacitor is an open circuit. It has infinite resistance. (I will assume a DC circuit.)

Look at picture 1: or here https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/165364/resistance-of-capacitors

Summary:
Electrical parameters of capacitors  should be viewed ONLY from impedance stand point (and its impedance components  for AC.)
And for DC at - when  there is only  DC , it acts as infinite open circuit  or charged  open circuit.
There is not such thing as "resistive" resistance  of capacitors in the same form as in resistors .

Wesley
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #178 on: June 30, 2018, 02:15:52 AM »
Off Topic ... NO?

1.Solar Lab thank you for video time good spend. - simply  excellent.
2.some other  links  of yours, are intentionally  infected with tracking  module.
 It might not be just  work of "some" Russians , but it may.
It is how you guys get my IP as it is going to show anyhow.
Little snack  to get my attention  and than  here you go.
Someone needs to know where I'm traveling right?
How is it show  USA right?
good.....
3.I assume you did not know about it?
 I have heard  about  great opportunity :   "Get paid to be a snitch!"


Real friendly advice Donald Trump  said once :
We can be friends .. if we can!
Wesley
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #179 on: June 30, 2018, 04:26:51 AM »
We appear to again be wandering off onto esoteric operating theories that really in my opinion do not relate to what we witness as in Kapanadze's various demos. Kapanadze stated to a.king21's team during the Aqua2 demo, along the lines, that the earth ground was not essential and that the device could work without it, albeit at reduced performance. Also, Kapanadze was wary of operataing the device during stormy weather conditions. This information, if accurate, does not suggest to me that the source of energy was from the ground. The Aqua 2 device apparently had just one ground wire, so could not have operated using the two ground rod principle shown by Wesley. The clues here rather suggest an aeriel source of energy that is returned to ground via the device. Those that have carefully studied the 'green box' series of videos will have seen an aeriel wire from the perimeter fence adjacent the roadway, to the tree in the garden. Although its not possible to conclude that this wire was carrying energy to the device, nonetheless, in my opinion, its far more unlikely that the source of energy was contained within the device box itself. Ruling out simple deliberate faking, then maybe Kapanadze discovered some clever method of extracting energy using an elevated long horizontal aerial??

Hi Hoppy. I personally make no definite assumptions about how these setups might actually work,
if any do really work. That could end up leading a person down the garden path if they make one or more wrong assumptions.
However, we do know all the basic components used by people like Prentice and maybe Daly
as well, so, for people who are interested, experimenting with similar setups without making
any assumptions where ever possible is probably not a bad approach to take.

If the story and video of Kapanadze's demo on the island is at all accurate, there wasn't likely
any chance of Kapanadze or his friends preparing anything at the unknown location in advance.

Regarding Prentice. In 1923 when 'energy shortages' were probably unheard of, there wasn't likely any large
and pressing monetary motivation for Prentice to 'make up' the claims he made in his patent application. He probably
just viewed it as an interesting anomaly that might potentially be made use of commercially some day, but there probably
wasn't any  pressing motivation at all back then for Prentice or others to spend too much time investigating it further.
This is why I find his patent document to be very interesting, and why I have posted the details here again.

My thought is why the sparkgap at the end of the long wire? Could it be doing something similar to what Kapanadze is using one for?
The problem for experimenters is sparkgaps generate a lot of HV electrical 'noise' (wideband radiation) and it often makes
digital equipment go on the blink or sometimes blows circuits. Not so easy to work with if you want to try to do careful measurements. :)


 

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