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Offline AlienGrey

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1305 on: December 13, 2018, 11:28:45 AM »
"So, where do we go from here?" asked Nickz.

Well, first of all, we sort out the claims for miracle devices as quickly as possible.
1) Either the technical information is provided in detail, and then we can analyze it, possibly duplicate it, and estimate whether we should keep it or not,
2) Or the technical information is not provided, and then there are other means than technical, but nevertheless rational, to assess credibility (very low from the beginning since the inventor wants to prevent us from building his device). These other means can also help in case 1.

Examples:
TED
A vague technical information of principle: would work on the principle of flux switching, which has proven, in countless forms, that it does not work.  No proof of concept. No mathematical theoretical proof. No detailed technical information allowing to try anything.
Non-technical information: call for investors.
Conclusion: most probably a scam, no need to waste our time without further technical information, we throw it away.

VIZIZ
A vague technical information of principle: would work thanks to Zenneck's waves. No proof of concept. No mathematical theoretical proof, on the contrary, math tells us that Zenneck's waves attenuate even on perfect surfaces (energy is conserved but spread), and in addition here, it is the earth surface, so a lot of extra losses.
Conclusion: There is no need to waste our time without further technical information, these people are probably deluding themselves about their technology. We throw it away.

Kapanadze: the technical information is provided, it is a patent. So we look at the patent and then, nasty surprise, we realize that the patent was designed so that it could not be reproduced. There are black boxes called "frequency stabilizer", "frequency adjuster" and "filter", which are not described at all. It is amazing that this kind of patent is accepted by the patent office, when it is contrary to the spirit of patenting. So against all appearances, we end up falling in case two. The inventor does not want to reveal his invention but has made a lot of buzz around with videos, useless videos since in none of them have we seen measurements of the current passing through the ground wire, which is the first point to see to rule out a scam! Today, 10 years after the patent (2 or 3 would have been enough), it is clear that there is nothing technically studyable, let's throw it away.


I will be told that we risk throwing something away prematurely. Even if it is, this risk is less than the assurance of wasting a lot of time, while there are so many avenues to explore, including for everyone, his own ideas. All the sterile discussions around Kapanadze over the past 10 years, including this one again, all these thousands of posts, are taking place at the expense of brain time and human energy that would be more useful elsewhere.
The priority, in my opinion, is to make a drastic sorting in our subjects and to stop indulging in endless idle discussions about idle pseudo-inventions.
Yeah but what your saying is the very same thing your burbling on about! so stop logging in simple problem solved for you  8) 8)!

The FACT is ET (despite the American (CABAL, MAJESTIC, jUNTA CALL IT WHAT YOU WILL)grip on reality) GETS HERE 'EARTH' you need the energy to get here it comes from the so-called emptiness of space and that's full of energy otherwise it would COLAPS, FULL STOP!  ;D ;D ;D ;D oH HAPPY DAYS  !

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1305 on: December 13, 2018, 11:28:45 AM »

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1306 on: December 13, 2018, 12:25:48 PM »
   

   By who, Hoppy?
   This is not the first of these types of exterminations. Nor possibly the last. Imagine, what's next...
   https://youtu.be/UkVdrTMZMEY
   As you can see in that video, homes and cars are melted to nothing, but the trees are not. Wild camp fire???   A dog sits patiently waiting for his owners to come home,  10 days after the fires... on another video.   There are several other videos showing what did cause these fires.  I won't go into that, at this time.

    AG may be pointing in the right direction. This planet is being turned upside down, while we just watch, and say "by who".
   I know that you are an informed guy, Hoppy. So...
   watch:   https://youtu.be/eMrXS9uiQCo
Nick,
Thanks for the links which I had not seen. The truth is buried in the crap and its alarming!

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1307 on: December 13, 2018, 01:20:07 PM »
If it worked, after 10 years, every body here would have one.
End of the Kapanadze's fairy tale... until proof of the contrary.

Let's think rationally:

If you had made a replica of Kapanadze, would you have come here and written how to do it?
Don't write "yes" because you don't know what you would do then.

If you knew the lotto numbers for tomorrow you would tell everyone to have ? Well, that's it.


All those who have understood and confirmed it are like those who would have stolen the image of Mona Lisa. Who would buy it, because they want to get a fortune right away. Unfortunately, nobody who has a bag of money without a bottom will not spend 1/2$ for various reasons.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1308 on: December 13, 2018, 03:27:18 PM »
There's no need to shout, Aliengrey.
I'm talking about method. Do you really believe that by doing anything, you can achieve our goal? What is your point of view on the method? Is it to repeat acts of faith by chanting "energy comes from emptiness" or "be blessed Mr. kapanadze"?
This is what I have been hearing for 15 years with Bearden and all other useless people, and their concrete results are much emptier than the quantum vacuum. If you do not take into account the general failure we face, you are condemned to remain there forever, repeating the mistakes of the past.
Err can you point me to your 'EXPERIMENTS'on here please or are you just a scribe?  ;D ;D  or point me to anything you know of that grabs
energy from the ground we can test?

PS If Mr TK wants to bless us he just needs to give the world FE know how, sorry i think my spell checker has just corrected all your bad hand writers  :D :D :D :D :D :D

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1309 on: December 13, 2018, 04:04:17 PM »
@aliengrey    @r2fpl

I started my experiments with a setup inspired by Naudin's Kapagen and Kapanadze's patent (see photo).
I tried to complete the assembly with a possible "frequency stabilizer" and "filter" (LC circuit, cap?...) but as Kapanadze lies by omission in his patent, my chance to succeed by experimenting at random was almost nil, as for everyone else. The rest proved it.

If some have succeeded and do not want to show us their solutions, it would be completely stupid since they do not hold the patent anyway, and so the idea that this situation would be real is just as stupid as a conspiracy theory.

Now, you two aliengrey and r2fpl, I would be happy if you would present us with your own setups and what you retain as experimental signs of OU.


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1310 on: December 13, 2018, 05:36:34 PM »
Not trying to find fault but an undergraduate guy I now made what you show it looked lethal  :D 8) but it only had about 1.5 kv
thats not 3.5 kv and it needs to be a fast tunable spark a dump of energy if you read Morays notes.

The only device I have seen that appeared to work is this device by Don Smith it involves a series of capacitors with bleeders that charge
up to about 3.5 to 4kv fed by a LOPT and a string of 1kv 1amp diodes (12) feeding a 3.5 inch 6 turn coil made from car brake fluid tube
It appears to produce heavy current sparks that appear to dissipate more energy going in than out oops.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1311 on: December 13, 2018, 06:17:58 PM »
If it worked, after 10 years, every body here would have one.
End of the Kapanadze's fairy tale... until proof of the contrary.

Hi F6FLT. I disagree with that. Kapanadze has not (not publicly anyway) revealed the details of
how his device is supposed to produce OU. So, many people trying to figure it out over many years
and failing of course does not necessarily mean that Kapanadze's device(s) is/are necessarily fake. It could
just mean that these people have been missing something important that Kapanadze has hidden well.

From what I have seen of Kapanadze's demo videos, and I have watched many of them very closely,
they do hold up pretty well to scrutiny. People can speculate about how he faked them all they want,
but the demos hold up quite well from what I have seen, in my own opinion anyway. It doesn't mean they
are necessarily not using some trick, but taken as a whole they hold up pretty well, I think.

Yes, Kapanadze's patent applications are completely useless due to their extreme vagueness, and those
patent applications were rejected, and do not protect Kapanadze in any way. If someone were able to
replicate Kapanadze's device and get it working, they would be free to produce it and sell it and Kapanadze
could do nothing about it. They might not be able to patent the device, although many would no doubt try,
and I have seen a few patent applications in the last years where it appears some people have tried to
patent similar device arrangements and have not referenced Kapanadze in their patent applications.

Also, as I have mentioned before, I strongly doubt that Kapanadze is the 'inventor' of his devices. If they
really work, then Kapanadze in all probability got the info for them from somewhere else.




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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1312 on: December 13, 2018, 06:44:34 PM »
A whole lot of pointless discussion could be nipped in the bud here in forums like this
if people stuck to the basic common sense protocol that if someone is going to claim
that they know how to produce an OU effect, that they should be able to show a
reasonable and clear demonstration of that in a video demo. That doesn't rule out tricks,
but it does at least show that there could at least possibly be really something there. If someone hasn't
actually built a test setup that reasonably demonstrates what they are claiming to know, then
they really only have speculation at that point. :) Build it and demo it, or it will be assumed that
a person is only blindly speculating.  ;-D


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1313 on: December 13, 2018, 06:53:05 PM »
A whole lot of pointless discussion could be nipped in the bud here in forums like this
if people stick to the basic common sense protocol that if someone is going to claim
that they know how to produce an OU effect, that they should be able to show a
reasonable and clear demonstration of that in a video demo. That doesn't rule out tricks,
but it does at least show that there could at least possibly be really something there. If someone hasn't actually built a test setup that reasonably demonstrates what they are claiming to know, then they really only have speculation at that point. :) Build it and demo it, or it will be assumed that a person is only blindly speculating.  ;-D
there is a problem with this attitude approach where the writer might be looking for legal redress or
responsibility in law, this is not that kind of a site and won't be for obvious reasons. as what works for some
might not work for other then where will we be.

Have you looked on youtube for the 'cloud' ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfMtQYYkZto

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1314 on: December 13, 2018, 06:54:01 PM »

From what I have seen of Kapanadze's demo videos, and I have watched many of them very closely,
they do hold up pretty well to scrutiny.
Like you, I have watched his videos and also thought they stood up fairly well to scrutiny, until I glimpsed this clip from the green box garden video. The suspect cable / wire coming into sight behind the guy operating the green box is going towards the bearded guy who holds the coil of ground cable throughout the video. That was part of the 'trick' in my opinion.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1315 on: December 13, 2018, 07:01:13 PM »
Hi Hoppy. I have watched it closely in the past and do not see anything that
stands out as suspicious in regards to an 'extra wire'. I suspect you are just mis-identifying
something that is not out of place, but I will take another close look at what you have pointed out
when I get a chance. :)


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1315 on: December 13, 2018, 07:01:13 PM »
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1316 on: December 13, 2018, 07:06:16 PM »
there is a problem with this attitude approach where the writer might be looking for legal redress or
responsibility in law, this is not that kind of a site and won't be for obvious reasons. as what works for some
might not work for other then where will we be.
Have you looked on youtube for the 'cloud' ?

Hi AG. I am not following you mate. :)
I am not saying don't speculate at all. I am saying that unless someone can demo what they
are proposing, it should really be assumed to be unproven speculation, along with the mountain
of unproven speculation that we already have here.

I see too much speculating and not enough actual testing going on to try to back it up. Just my opinion.
Build it and show it and they will come. Don't build it and show it, and it probably won't get much traction at all,
or at least it probably shouldn't in a sane world. ;D


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1317 on: December 13, 2018, 07:25:51 PM »
Hi Wesley!
If you have capacitor 10uF 12V full, that is not a lot.How can you raise energy of that cap?You simply put in series that cap with output of HV Tesla coil.If the Tesla coil has output of 1000V, than on your 10uF cap will be 1000+12V.And 10uF 1012 V is a lot of energy. First try with smaller capacity of 1uF. It is lethal.
Fill the cap with low voltage high Amp and put it in series with HV output of Tesla coil, flyback?? (unidirectional pulse, watch the polarity so the output is in series with cap) to raise the voltage of that line.  After cap put in series spark gap so the cap do not bleed before you hit it with HV.
After the spark gap put in series step down transformer. Now you have HV spark of 10uF. A very big spark.!

Load the bullet, fire the bullet!
It is Bootstrap method. How to raise the voltage on cap to drive the mosfet?  With Bootstrap method you can raise Bootstrap cap of 100uF 12V to 100uF 500V easily.  Anyone think of that??

It is also voltage doubler circuit but with spark gap and modified. One phase fill the cap from low voltage source. Second phase hit it serial with HV so the 10uF can jump across the spark gap! Easy! A little bit of practice and you will do it!
It is too simple so nobody can see it.
Picture is from Kapanadze patent. He made mistake and draw it!That's why he made second patent to hide the mistake!

It is serial connection of the coil and capacitor. (Power line and already full capacitor). Voltages are adding on capacitor.
Nothing is violated, it depends on law of serial connection. But not two capacitors. Capacitor and coil. A little bit different.

Remember a Steven Mark story of two currents. One 5V and 5A and second HV. In serial they produce kick.
Kapanadze and Steven Mark are all the same principle. All of them are.
« Last Edit: December 13, 2018, 11:19:26 PM by v8karlo »

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1319 on: December 13, 2018, 08:19:03 PM »
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