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Author Topic: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum  (Read 500086 times)

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1155 on: November 25, 2018, 04:55:58 PM »
I don't see any logical argument in the numerous related papers or previous posts that could lead us to think to wireless energy transmission at  distances longer than about one wavelength.
Because you  think in traditional TEM. criteria.
This technology is well supported and  well financed.
And well scientifically  backed.
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
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« Reply #1156 on: November 26, 2018, 06:28:26 AM »
What let you think that there are waves? Funny idea.
   Maybe this video might change your views,  or not.   https://youtu.be/5AUA7XS0TvA
   
   There's a lot more than just waves out there. It's the "Cosmic Soup" which Tesla and others have mentioned, repeatedly.

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« Reply #1157 on: November 26, 2018, 01:08:41 PM »
The result to us is simple.
Russians might push Tariel to give it for free to the world.
And not because the Russian government is so kind and nice, but because Russians will have no choice.
They rather let all world energy industry suffer instead of just Russians being punished by lack of sale of their gas and oil.

And that is why  word [/sub]"if" is important in science .

Wesley


yeh what if?  well if they do can they please do it before the EU which is probably a Vatican controlled gagging order to kill the internet with its evil article 11 the hyperlink and  13 other peoples CONTENT BOTH ARE USED IN OUR DAILY USE HERE!
and THUS plunges us back into the dark ages, and Russias idea of free energy is most probably a stick of radioactive material coated in a semiconductor material
with power cables running from it.  JOKE.  Yeah so bring it on! Mint the Burman cat gives a groaning agreement  ;D
But wait couldn't we find some way to use their evil laws against 'THEM'?


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1157 on: November 26, 2018, 01:08:41 PM »
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1158 on: November 26, 2018, 04:11:26 PM »
Wesly very interesting post thanks foir that one!
Can I get your opinion on this one (i'm OK on translation. but is it BS or fact without actually building it ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8q8CWTjpAY
I would appreciate any positive feedback on this post

NickZ in the PDF 'cold war secrets' it talks about sharp narrow pulse and a long recovery period a relay' if you look at Nelson's
old website on YouTube most of his stuff was started with a battery and a vibration sound he showed a modified relay coil
why not start there but I think you will need to experiment for the correct timing of the LC and on off ratio. Mind boggling!  8) 8)

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« Reply #1159 on: November 26, 2018, 04:38:24 PM »
     If you value my opinion, then don't discard the possibilities of the true self runners, not having any input from man made sources.     
    It does not matter how long it will take to know just how to replicate a true self powered device, but, it will happen, and has already happened. It's just not going to be shown on YouTube, anymore.  Or is it?  I have the faith that it will, and more.
   IF in fact the lights were dimmed at the hotel during the exact same time as the lake tests, then perhaps you need to also consider that the TK device while being grounded to the lake bed, may have been the actual cause of the dimming at the hotel? Instead of the other way around.
  When Tariel said that the energy come from the surrounding space or ambient, that is what he meant.
He was only repeating what Tesla has said concerning the Aether,  as the primary energy source, for his device to run on.
 And did not mean to confuse the issue of the device's actual energy input source, with that of any made sources.
That is just another speculation, again with no proof.
My dear Friend.
1.Self Runner must eat.
2.Self Runner must consume
3.Self Runner must convert energy to usable form
4.Self Runner must produce the effect.
Explanation:
-Atom with his  cloud of electron can be considered  Self Runner
-magnetic field of  permanent magnet  can be considered Self Runner
-river flow  can be considered Self Runner
-Radiation of some long half-life isotopes  can be considered  Self Runner

And  if you  make  electricity produced by that kind of forces/sources  than it would be your conversion device making use of mechanisms of nature.
But life of everything is finite.
Even gravitation must  have mass to exist.
 
So real Self Runner  has statues of limitation of his own... like life expectancy
Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1160 on: November 26, 2018, 05:05:34 PM »
Because you  think in traditional TEM. criteria.
This technology is well supported and  well financed.
And well scientifically  backed.
Wesley

Hi Wesley,
Have you seen anywhere where anyone associated with Zenneck wave research is claiming
that a COP > 1 can be achieved using Zenneck wave technology? Wireless Power transmission
on a large scale is cool if someone can make it work, but if it doesn't produce a COP > 1 then
it seems it is not all that significant.

« Last Edit: November 26, 2018, 07:53:13 PM by Void »

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« Reply #1161 on: November 26, 2018, 05:10:51 PM »
Hi Wesley,
Have you seen anywhere where anyone associated with Zenneck wave research is claiming
that a COP > 1 can be achieved using Zenneck wave technology? Wireless Power transmission
on a large scale is cool if someone can make it work, but if it if it doesn't produce a COP > 1 then
it seems it is not all that significant.
COP more than one is nothing new or uncommon.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-efficiency-and-COP

But as Nick Z said we do not know what kind of implication by means of interaction we can expect from Zenneck Wave and its consequences in physical world.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1162 on: November 26, 2018, 05:17:39 PM »
   AG:   Nelson will not totally disclose his secret, as well.   Why don't you start there, instead? Let us know how it goes.
because I'm working on other ideas and already stretched with lack resources and if we all work on different
things we might get somewhere if we help each other

What happened to the view that electron stress produced an excess of charged-energy pos and neg separation? back to the old hammer shrimp again?

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« Reply #1163 on: November 26, 2018, 07:13:44 PM »
Wesly very interesting post thanks foir that one!
Can I get your opinion on this one (i'm OK on translation. but is it BS or fact without actually building it ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8q8CWTjpAY
I would appreciate any positive feedback on this post

NickZ in the PDF 'cold war secrets' it talks about sharp narrow pulse and a long recovery period a relay' if you look at Nelson's
old website on YouTube most of his stuff was started with a battery and a vibration sound he showed a modified relay coil
why not start there but I think you will need to experiment for the correct timing of the LC and on off ratio. Mind boggling!  8) 8)
Power supply has limited current.
like weak person holding the pile of  wood  in more or less comfortable  position, so his summary vector of power dissipation
uses more or less energy for holding the same load with or without additional losses.
ratio between both primaries winding is 1:1
ratio between primary and secondary is 1:1.5
Power Supply is limited with current.  Control light-bub at PS indicates more or less comfortable to the PS dissipation of available power.
But Energy dissipated at the grid ( outlet) will show you no gain.
And the experimenter does not provide us with any measurement of power delivered to the PS.
There is nothing interesting here taking place.
Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1163 on: November 26, 2018, 07:13:44 PM »
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1164 on: November 26, 2018, 07:56:12 PM »
COP more than one is nothing new or uncommon.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-efficiency-and-COP

But as Nick Z said we do not know what kind of implication by means of interaction we can expect from Zenneck Wave and its consequences in physical world.

Wesley

Hi Wesley. Yes, I know what 'COP > 1' represents. :)
So, I take it from your response then that you are not aware of anyone associated
with Zenneck wave research claiming a COP > 1 is possible. The reason I was asking you
this is because Kapanadze has demonstrated an apparent COP of roughly around 60
(based on the the measured power input compared to the approximate power output to the
light bulb bank. There is no indication that I have seen that Kapanadze was using 'Zenneck waves'.
This idea can only be speculation without any indications at all that he was doing so.


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« Reply #1165 on: November 26, 2018, 08:35:14 PM »
Hi Wesley. Yes, I know what 'COP > 1' represents. :)
So, I take it from your response then that you are not aware of anyone associated
with Zenneck wave research claiming a COP > 1 is possible. The reason I was asking you
this is because Kapanadze has demonstrated an apparent COP of roughly around 60
(based on the the measured power input compared to the approximate power output to the
light bulb bank. There is no indication that I have seen that Kapanadze was using 'Zenneck waves'.
This idea can only be speculation without any indications at all that he was doing so.
That is interesting Void.
Power measured before interface with traditional equipment not prepared to see real power of Surface Wave should show  ZERO 0V
Tariel did show Self Runner but connected to the ground. By that relation of COP is 0V ratio  to value of  dissipated energy at the output, measured by the load in W.
I agree that :
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This idea can likely be a speculation without any indications at all that he was doing so.
However 
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I'm not aware of anyone associated
with Zenneck wave research claiming a COP > 1 is possible.
But what about the losses?
What  about the inverse square law?

By traditional understanding of laws of conservation of energy ( thermodynamics) there should be no gain unless some kind of interaction I'm not  aware of is present.
Also some statements in Zeneck papers about no losses in relation to the distance from transmitter to the receiver are difficult to  be accepted.
But I might be not enough educated in Zeneck Surface Wave science.
Just the fact that they mentioned it is not only risky  if presented  in front of patent office but courageous.
The origin of no losses can be  analyzed  as well. I do not want to look funny by claiming gain of unknown origin , equaling losses so net value is  zero.
That is why they did not say it in their patents, but in scientific paper   
In  this  case:
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,  if the  total  current  strength  in  every  source-segment  remains  invariable  the  field strength at any distance from the source also remains alike.
page 5 under the picture.
http://nedyn.com/Goubau_1951-X.pdf


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
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« Reply #1166 on: November 26, 2018, 09:18:58 PM »
   
   
   We need to know the cause of causes. Electricity, is an effect of a cause, as is light, heat, etz.
Electricity can not be a CAUSE, as it's an effect of a cause. The cause of causes is the vortexial power of the universal breathings, (not to get into any religious discussions). But, yet admit there is an unseen cause
Invisible to us. Yet, reachable to be tapped into as Aether streams, waves, cosmic currents, or what ever we want to call it.

Nick everyone can believe in whatever they want to.
I'm the guy of very conservative approach to science.
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vortexial power of the universal breathings,
sounds nice but I can do nothing with it, till it is prove otherwise .
Aether does not exist it is outdated concept.
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streams waves, cosmic currents,
are just  nice words but  useless, without application, like this big nail  on the street, till someone pick it up and put it to the wall but he must  at first go to the store
( time)  to buy  a hammer.(  lab  equipment)
Most of progress  is not done because we do not have a money and time to make  use of it.
Wesley

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« Reply #1167 on: November 27, 2018, 02:06:24 AM »
   That's unfortunate Wesley, that you "can do nothing with it".   Tesla could.   I know what to do with it, so did Kapanadze, but you still don't believe him, nor me. That's ok, I'm not trying to convince anyone.   I know there are others out there that will understand, and know what to do with it. Concerning where any extra energy comes from.   It's the action that counts, words are not enough to see empirical results. And guys like Kapanadze are where the action is at. Good thing that he knew what to do with it.  You saw the proof first hand, that was not enough for you? 
   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_ApR2IxBcY

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« Reply #1168 on: November 27, 2018, 07:56:42 AM »
Think the way Tesla did. Earth is metallic conductor of minimal resistance due to immense size. It's like a slide of very thick copper wire. So we know if a wire is powered by electric current there is magnetic field around the wire. The disturbance in this magnetic field in very small area around the wire cannot dissipate if the wire is insulated and very thick -  like Earth.

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« Reply #1169 on: November 27, 2018, 05:27:48 PM »
There is a documentary in YOUTUBE with the guy on the technical guy on site talking about it, he wasn't denying any of it. I found it looking up surface waves it also said HF waves are bounced of the ionosphere and ULF bounce back to earth onto its surface so it is really related.  I'm sorry if the other effects it produces don't agree but it's a really eval device.
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