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Offline AlienGrey

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #105 on: June 06, 2018, 01:57:15 AM »
Yes really good work unraveling and explaining that explanation, 'good' work.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #106 on: June 07, 2018, 05:01:41 AM »
F.Y.I.

stivep - a couple of clarifications!

Referring to the "Long Wire" in my discussion above I use the definition found
on Gorchilin's web page, also noted there as "DL" or "long wire."
Generally it would be a multi-layer Coil, but it can take many forms (grenade coil or,
for example, the "Blue coil". Not the ground interconnect wire, at the system ground
point there are many ways to create a mis-match that will cause a reflection, also
see below regarding the ground wire length versus wavelength versus frequency.

From: http://gorchilin.com/articles/free/magnetic?lang=en  The Equation of the
standing wave
; to quote from the text there "To represent momentum in a long line (DL)
will use the standard expression for ..."

You seem to infer from your post that my nomenclature use of "long wire" refers to
the "ground wire" shown in your embedded picture. Not correct - it is the coil, or equivalent,
 wherein the standing or traveling wave resides.

Quote, your comments:
"Yes length of  ground wire is essential  or... frequency adjustment is essential. that is why
Tariel used  at first   blue label on his motor. and than  spark gap as it  has all of the components
of  frequencies from Hz to GHz  The only what he was in need to do was to adjust peak  of the
top of   bandwidth so  the most  efficient frequency would be at the highest amplitude  of that
bandwidth"


Note: At 20 KHz, to tune the "ground" wire to even a quarter (1/4) wave with a dielectric
equivalent to coax (70% velocity of propagation - 209854720.6 m/s) the length would need to be
near 2623.1840075 meters long
(2.62 Km). Unless, of course, I'm missing something?

Gorchilin does a very good job of explaining, both mathematically and by example, what the
preferred requirements are with respect to pulse shape (including harmonic requirements) and
it's affect on Standing Wave generation - of note is the even harmonic requirement to turn a
standing wave into a traveling wave - this is an important consideration in this type of device.

Also, I'm not sure what/how your pulse reference diagram equates exactly - with the center at a
0 voltage level it would add on the positive half cycle and subtract on the negative half cycle.
But, maybe there's more to it that can't be shared (intellectual or proprietary property) perhaps;
you may need some type of level shifting or diode clipping of the pulse waveform?

Hey, not criticizing or nit-picking, just trying to keep the BS in check a bit  ???

Anyway, keep at it and good luck...

FIN

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #107 on: June 07, 2018, 07:07:27 PM »
F.Y.I.

stivep - a couple of clarifications!

Referring to the "Long Wire" in my discussion above I use the definition found
on Gorchilin's web page, also noted there as "DL" or "long wire."
Generally it would be a multi-layer Coil, but it can take many forms (grenade coil or,
for example, the "Blue coil". Not the ground interconnect wire, at the system ground
point there are many ways to create a mis-match that will cause a reflection, also
see below regarding the ground wire length versus wavelength versus frequency.

From: http://gorchilin.com/articles/free/magnetic?lang=en  The Equation of the
standing wave
; to quote from the text there "To represent momentum in a long line (DL)
will use the standard expression for ..."

You seem to infer from your post that my nomenclature use of "long wire" refers to
the "ground wire" shown in your embedded picture. Not correct - it is the coil, or equivalent,
 wherein the standing or traveling wave resides.

Quote, your comments:
"Yes length of  ground wire is essential  or... frequency adjustment is essential. that is why
Tariel used  at first   blue label on his motor. and than  spark gap as it  has all of the components
of  frequencies from Hz to GHz  The only what he was in need to do was to adjust peak  of the
top of   bandwidth so  the most  efficient frequency would be at the highest amplitude  of that
bandwidth"


Note: At 20 KHz, to tune the "ground" wire to even a quarter (1/4) wave with a dielectric
equivalent to coax (70% velocity of propagation - 209854720.6 m/s) the length would need to be
near 2623.1840075 meters long
(2.62 Km). Unless, of course, I'm missing something?

Gorchilin does a very good job of explaining, both mathematically and by example, what the
preferred requirements are with respect to pulse shape (including harmonic requirements) and
it's affect on Standing Wave generation - of note is the even harmonic requirement to turn a
standing wave into a traveling wave - this is an important consideration in this type of device.

Also, I'm not sure what/how your pulse reference diagram equates exactly - with the center at a
0 voltage level it would add on the positive half cycle and subtract on the negative half cycle.
But, maybe there's more to it that can't be shared (intellectual or proprietary property) perhaps;
you may need some type of level shifting or diode clipping of the pulse waveform?

Hey, not criticizing or nit-picking, just trying to keep the BS in check a bit  ???

Anyway, keep at it and good luck...

FIN
I'm sorry but  I have problem with  Gorchilin article from theoretical science point of view and  wording used.
 I can point at few moments but fallowing even  partial bullshit is to much  waste of time  to me .
Gorchilin does  not  do a very good job  with respect to pulse shape (including harmonic requirements)  and conversion mechanism .
However everyone's thoughts may lead to valuable conclusions of another guy.

Quote
"More Amps noticed"
-  not acceptable   descriptors
"
Quote
What if one of the forces, for example magnetic, will form a standing wave,"
- it can't happen, it is impossible to happened.  both  electric and magnetic  field are not separable,  and can not be independent, in this case.
This  particular Russian text might of have some  of value  but I did not   fallow it since it started with garbage.



look here:
Quote
Is it possible to create only a magnetic wave?
... from separation of Electromagnetic Wave..
Answer:
NO
......  A changing  magnetic field (wave) will generate  changing  electric field  due to  Maxwell's  equations https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/38370/is-it-possible-to-create-only-a-magnetic-wave
On paper you can  make horse and ask question what if that horse has  5 legs.
Your math will beautifully calculate it  . I hope you understand it.

 

This is  how  mentioned  opening paragraph of  Gorchilin article should look like:

In an electromagnetic field, the directions in which the electric and magnetic field move, are perpendicular to each other. 
The units which represent the strengths of the electric and magnetic field are also different.
The strength of the magnetic field is represented by either Gauss or Tesla.



Quantum mechanics  contains  a module  known as classical mechanics  and seems  like
Gorchilin has a problem with it.
You may use classical  mechanics to explain certain quantum phenomena only as graphical/ visual form of presentation.
As a fact the process of conversion of transverse waves into longitudinal   can be only made 
by means of:
- converter e.g ...- coil of electromagnetic relay whose  armature  mechanically responds to  magnetic  flux.
I see him very good in classical  fields . Some of Gorchilin ideas are interesting . And he has definitely beautiful site.



SolarLab:
 
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At 20 KHz, to tune the "ground" wire to even a quarter (1/4) wave.... need to be
near 2.6 Km) long. .

I spend so much time to explain capacitive reactance an inductive reactance i resonance circuit
but you still did not get it.
Please  refer  yourself to impedance and its properties, but try to do not use Russian books as they may 
be incorrect .

Statement : Any piece of single conductor  having any length  can be tuned to any frequency of your choice  by means of   its inductively reactant  component interacting with capacitive reactance of  its own  or another capacitance or  additional capacitor in   resonance circuit.
Result: Your point  is invalid.

capacitive reactance in loop antenna makes it to be  high voltage mow current ( look at
Smith  CHART


Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #107 on: June 07, 2018, 07:07:27 PM »
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #108 on: June 07, 2018, 08:26:15 PM »
F.Y.I.

stivep - a couple of clarifications!

Referring to the "Long Wire" in my discussion above I use the definition found
on Gorchilin's web page, also noted there as "DL" or "long wire."
Generally it would be a multi-layer Coil, but it can take many forms (grenade coil or,
for example, the "Blue coil". Not the ground interconnect wire, at the system ground
point there are many ways to create a mis-match that will cause a reflection, also
see below regarding the ground wire length versus wavelength versus frequency.

From: http://gorchilin.com/articles/free/magnetic?lang=en  The Equation of the
standing wave
; to quote from the text there "To represent momentum in a long line (DL)
will use the standard expression for ..."

You seem to infer from your post that my nomenclature use of "long wire" refers to
the "ground wire" shown in your embedded picture. Not correct - it is the coil, or equivalent,
 wherein the standing or traveling wave resides.

Quote, your comments:
"Yes length of  ground wire is essential  or... frequency adjustment is essential. that is why
Tariel used  at first   blue label on his motor. and than  spark gap as it  has all of the components
of  frequencies from Hz to GHz  The only what he was in need to do was to adjust peak  of the
top of   bandwidth so  the most  efficient frequency would be at the highest amplitude  of that
bandwidth"


Note: At 20 KHz, to tune the "ground" wire to even a quarter (1/4) wave with a dielectric
equivalent to coax (70% velocity of propagation - 209854720.6 m/s) the length would need to be
near 2623.1840075 meters long
(2.62 Km). Unless, of course, I'm missing something?

Gorchilin does a very good job of explaining, both mathematically and by example, what the
preferred requirements are with respect to pulse shape (including harmonic requirements) and
it's affect on Standing Wave generation - of note is the even harmonic requirement to turn a
standing wave into a traveling wave - this is an important consideration in this type of device.

Also, I'm not sure what/how your pulse reference diagram equates exactly - with the center at a
0 voltage level it would add on the positive half cycle and subtract on the negative half cycle.
But, maybe there's more to it that can't be shared (intellectual or proprietary property) perhaps;
you may need some type of level shifting or diode clipping of the pulse waveform?

Hey, not criticizing or nit-picking, just trying to keep the BS in check a bit  ???

Anyway, keep at it and good luck...

FIN

Hi SolarLab,

Before we get lost in endless discussions about a persons way of formulating his understanding i would make a little roundup about your effective 2nd level statements.
I hope you can correct me/ help me to get a launch platform from where we can act at the bench?

your point a)...  pulsing to get the standing wave..
This is the will be the LC resonance frequenty of the coil.
 In order to get effect (d) the wave needs to bounch back and forward .... so the wirelength has to fit in wavelength frequenty (a)

F.e. 37.5m gives a quarterwave frequenty of 2.0MHz,...  the LC resonance frequenty should be 2.0MHz.....  so pulsing (a) will generate the 2.0MHz


In my opinion the groundline adjustment is only used when the LC resonance frequenty is lower then the wirelength wavelength


In your second post,..  you added some vid and you explanained about coupled oscilators.

Inductor loop and Kacher coil are two differen oscilators
So we need to find the most effective frequenty combination in order to get the energy transferr.

Is this maybe the short summary of your toughts?


Greetings

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #109 on: June 08, 2018, 12:10:44 AM »
F.Y.I.


A few quick points:
We talking about electromagnetic  wave:
"both electric and magnetic fields are not separable, and can not be separated,
and both of  the fields  can not become independent, in this case."
I gave you link  to it why you did not  look at it Solar
Lab?
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/38370/is-it-possible-to-create-only-a-magnetic-wave
So you wrong and you intend to be wrong in this area.  fine with me.
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We talking about electromagnetic  wave


Solar Lab:
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I know from proven experimental fact that
electric and magnetic fields are two separate entities and they can be totally independent.
Wesley response:
Not they are not  in regards to electromagnetic field and electromagnetic wave.
If you think different provide me with link  to your Solar Lab "proven facts."
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We talking about electromagnetic  wave
Your  note about magnet is invalid
MAGNET HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH electromagnetic WAVE
(magnetite), or any  magnet  is an enclosed magnetic field that does not perform any work !!
https://www.quora.com/If-magnetic-fields-cant-do-work-how-can-one-magnet-physically-move-another
AGAIN YOUR POINT IS INVALID.

We talking about electromagnetic  wave and electromagnetic  field  according to paper  of this russian  fellow.
So magnet does not apply here.
Your point is invalid.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
We talking about electromagnetic  wave
Vandergraph generator, is not in any way  a separator of electric and magnetic fields of electromagnetic wave.
Your point is invalid.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
an aircraft or aerostat in flight:  is not in any way  a separator of electric and magnetic fields of electromagnetic wave.
Your point is invalid.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Statement :you can not separate electric field from magnetic field  in
electromagnetic wave.
You can not create magnetic wave out of  electromagnetic wave
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SolarLab  wrote:
Quote
the list goes on and on, but I don't want to waist too much
time listing them all.
you already wasted a lot of space here
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Simple solution to  your problem :
Give me links to your proven facts. and check my links of  facts.


Solar Lab  wrote:
Quote
Standing wave (you call it traversal) to Traveling wave conversion; "can be only made
by means of: - converter..."  WOW, that's a good one!
Yes sir all electromagnetic waves are transversal
Longitudinal Traveling wave  or any form of longitudinal waves are  mechanical waves.
electromagnetic  transverse wave can become mechanical by means of conversion in converter .
as described  in my previous post,.
That process is not reversible.

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currently I have in my lab 6 NVA all of them with Smith Chart.Pictures on request.

Wesley
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #110 on: June 08, 2018, 07:27:47 AM »
I don't see why you both argue. You are both correct. There is no EM wave without both components : electric and magnetic but the way it can be made make many variations.
Nature is replicating the same pattern, so if there is polarised or coherent light then it must be the same for every EM band.


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #111 on: June 08, 2018, 09:32:54 AM »
Oh dear, the asylum has relocated!!  :( Try to be nice to each other and get back on topic. I think we should be moving onto discussing the Kapanadze Aqua 2 pile of junk, not showing how one's kit is bigger and better.  ::)

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #112 on: June 08, 2018, 09:34:47 AM »
American equipment of the 1990s.
It will take several years until you learn to work with these devices, and understand what they show. There is no certainty that they are 100% in good condition.

HP 4194A Impedance / Gain Phase Analyzer - 100 MHz - not very much.
http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/usedequipment/hewlettpackard/impedanceanalyzers/4194a.htm

There are no such devices on Kapanadze's video. Or they do not need him, "the truth is somewhere near."

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #113 on: June 08, 2018, 10:16:40 AM »
Oh come on fellers put the flags down and stop eating the red meat, there is only one planet and we all live on it, i'm not into
all this mind games 'shit', lets all be pals and get on with the job Zero point eradication of the 'word' Carbage  ;D ;D eat too much and
one ends up full of shit  add beef and what do you get ;D ;D ;D

Any way jokes apart lets get back to what works, Any chance Lads ??????

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #113 on: June 08, 2018, 10:16:40 AM »
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #114 on: June 08, 2018, 12:09:20 PM »
Hi Wesley,

Besides the meaningless shit throwing and wasting of forum database bytes are you doing ok?
I m a little concerned.

Greetings

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #115 on: June 08, 2018, 01:19:27 PM »
American equipment of the 1990s.
It will take several years until you learn to work with these devices, and understand what they show.
There is no certainty that they are 100% in good condition.
HP 4194A Impedance / Gain Phase Analyzer - 100 MHz - not very much.
There are no such devices on Kapanadze's video. Or they do not need him, "the truth is somewhere near."


There is no certainty that they are 100% in good condition.

Every lab I was visiting, or working at has  instruments from  years 1850 - 2017.
Lab  is a collection of tools that can be used  mostly, once per few years or  1 per its life time - depends on  application.
It will take several minutes for me to recall how to use each one of over 500 instruments in my  first lab.
It will take little more  for me to recall how to use each one of instruments in my  second lab.
It will take definitely  more than that  for me to recall how to use each one of  machines in my mechanical lab including CNC lathe/mills and section of coil winders .
It will take definitely  quite few hours, and  often sometime days, for me to recall , setup, calibrate and use each one of  instruments in my  particle,cryogenic, lab  .
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #116 on: June 08, 2018, 03:06:39 PM »
Wesley We comprehend what your saying but it's a question of hard cash China has it and it's for sale at the right price and it works.
With out China, control would be the rule of many by the few at the expense of the many.
Not every one will have a consciousness on this illusion in 30 years, my friend.
Any chance of spilling the beans a bit quicker ? :)

AG

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #117 on: June 08, 2018, 07:56:50 PM »
Wesley We comprehend what your saying but it's a question of hard cash China has it and it's for sale at the right price and it works.
With out China, control would be the rule of many by the few at the expense of the many.
Not every one will have a consciousness on this illusion in 30 years, my friend.
Any chance of spilling the beans a bit quicker ? :)

AG
I agree
I do not exclude that some of  equipment  is going to be replaced or added.
If you pay right amount of money you may have somewhat
good Chinese, but not  tractable to the  bureau equipment
 - if  that is what  matters to you. \\\

Please do not confuse yourself with  assembled in China with brands of  Japanning,  American or other manufacturers
whose  branches  operates on Chinese land.

Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #118 on: June 09, 2018, 12:17:38 AM »
I agree

Please do not confuse yourself with  assembled in China with brands of  Japanning,  American or other manufacturers
whose  branches  operates on Chinese land.

Wesley
Not at all, they are all at it, you will be lucky if you can find anything these days that's not been got at be it!
Be it test equipment to car parts and the moon disclosure. Yes America as well! ;D ;D ;D ;D

AG

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« Reply #119 on: June 09, 2018, 02:02:01 AM »
Ok let's come back to  our discussion:
it is good if you  go to
clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine
than switch to
http://keelynet.com/energy/frolov1.htm
http://keelynet.com/energy/frolov2.htm

and look at schematic below
more information you going to find  at
label of  schematic  indicates 1600 W Kapanadze generator  that is very much alike Frolov circuit.
The point I try to maintain is that in all of Kapanadze devices he used the same mechanism of energy conversion.
It is  of course attempt from my side to stick to it
If you have  more about Frolov  on hand it will help. I just need to dig in my data base to find it.




There are many ways to use mechanism   promoted by me  in earlier posts.
I try to  recall  some of existing art ..

Фролов Александр Владимирович
http://www.faraday.ru/
https://www.youtube.com/user/AlexanderFrolov2509/videos

This video is related to schematic  below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxFgAfSXNt8
 material indicated  on this video  OPENS AS :
https://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg189076/
OR:
https://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg189076/#msg189076

Please note that every flyback transformer has gap in the  ferrite core. And that makes it  to act as temporary  energy storage device.
You may find the same similarity in Lithuania experiment   yoke and in Andrey Mielnichenko  transformer /.
You may adjust  to your application  gap between two halves of the ferrite core/ or  any transformer  core made of any material at any frequency.

Wesley
 
 
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