Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum

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From now on I will post here  if needed.
My posts will not be frequent.
This is more of storage box.

С этого момента я буду публиковать здесь, если необходимо
Мои посты не будут часты.
Это - коробка хранения.

Od dzisiaj bede publikowal tutaj.
to jest raczej moje publiczne miejsce w ktorym  moge zapisac swoje informacje dostepne dla innych.



Author rights:
You may assume that I'm   in possession of intellectual property that does not belong to me.
this information was shared with me based on simple rules of trust.
During  many years I was  asked to visit  and/or talk to many of leading researchers.
Everything that I post  is free to copy, free to re-post and free to use.

Права автора: Вы можете предположить, что я обладаю интеллектуальной собственностью, которая не принадлежит мне.
эта информация была предоставлена ​​мне на основе простых правил доверия.
В течение многих лет меня просили посетить и / или поговорить со многими ведущими исследователями.
Все, что я публикую, можно свободно копировать, бесплатно переписывать и бесплатно использовать.
 
Prawa  autorskie: wszystko jest  za darmo i w wolnym dostepie mozna kopiowac .
Jakkolwiek informacja nie  bedzie pelna a to  dlatego ze  czesc tej wiedzy  nie nalezy do mnie i zostala mi przekazana na zasadzie zaufania.
W przeciagu wielu lat odwiedzilem wielu glownych  eksperymentatorow i czesc z nich nie zyczy sobie  publikacji.
To co mi wolno to i opublikuje.







My dedication;
is to  explain phenomena with FE devices to the extend of no conflict of interest with others.
My goal is to understand  physical phenomena  responsible for such energy  transfer.
Free Energy  is just energy that is free from  taxes and fees but laws of physics must apply.

Моя преданность; — чтобы объяснить явления  устройств FE (CE)\
в условиях отсутствия конфликта интересов с другими.
Моя цель - понять физические явления, ответственные за такую ​​передачу энергии.
Свободная энергия - это просто энергия, свободная от налогов и сборов, но законы физики должны применяться.

Pragne  objasnic ile moge czasem w nie do konca prostej do przyswojenia formie. ( fizyka i jej zaleznosci)
Wolna energia  WE albo FE to jest energia wolna od  podatkow i oplat ale musi podlegac  prawom fizyki


Data:
Will not be complete in clear to  replicate form,  if  conditions of ownership  of such intellectual  property  will conflict with exposure of such data.
Данные: не будут полными и удовлетворят вас, если условия такой интеллектуальной собственности будут конфликтовать с воздействием таких данных.

Links to my new videos:
Will be posted here and on  Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY topic if  that fine group of people there  will  agree.

My worries:
Despite the fact of FE being in question to many, I would like  you to have it in your possession.
I also understand that  if such technology will become widely available , it will cause , world  collapse - as it exists in  its present form.
Easiness of life  can lead to quick overpopulation and  shortage of resources to support human life expansion.
My hope is that it will end  wars and military conflicts.

Мое беспокойство, несмотря на факт that  FE,- вопрос для многих,  я хотел бы, чтобы Вы имели это в вашем владении.
Я также понимаю что, если такая технология станет широко доступной, это вызовет, мировой крах
Легкость жизни может привести к быстрой перенаселенности и нехватке ресурсов, чтобы поддержать расширение человеческой жизни.
Моя надежда - то, что это закончит военные конфликты.

I'm American not Russian and I have no Russian ancestors
Я американец не русский, и у меня нет русских предков

Wesley
 

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Conversation of Wesley  with   Чеширский Кот https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9foRzZEZRo&t=613s
Please note that larger part of such conversation is not related to this subject
and  there are few   separate  conversations  taking place there.
find the right  one.
 
Wesley says :
Легкий ответ:
плотность электронного потока в проводнике: электроны разных типов атомов имеют разную степень свободы для перемещения.
С некоторыми типами материалов, такими как металлы, самые внешние электроны в атомах настолько слабо связаны,
что они хаотично движутся в пространстве между атомами   влиянием   изменения температуры в комнате так что нет необходимости  электрического тока в проводнике.
Поскольку эти практически несвязанные электроны свободны оставлять свои соответствующие атомы и плавать
вокруг в пространстве между соседними атомами, их часто называют свободными электронами.
В других типах материалов, таких как стекло, электроны атомов имеют очень мало свободы передвижения.
- изоляционный материал (фольга) действует как среда увеличения плотности электронов)
Если мы хотим, чтобы электроны протекали в определенном направлении в определенном месте,
мы должны обеспечить правильный путь для их перемещения, точно так же, как водопроводчик должен
установить трубопровод, чтобы вода текла, где он или она хочет, чтобы он текла.
электроны могут свободно перемещаться в проводнике.
Они имеют скорость дрейфа 1 см / с, но когда мы видим какой-либо проводник (например, антенну), электрон
фактически не движется по всей длине проводника, он просто вибрирует вокруг своего среднего положения, и его энергия исходит вперед.
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Фактическая скорость дрейфа во многом зависит от геометрии проводника, величины протекающего тока
и плотности подвижных носителей заряда (скорость дрейфа пропорциональна току и обратно пропорциональна
площади поперечного сечения и плотности аряда мобильных носителей). 50 гц,  в России,
электроны не дрейфуют очень далеко.
Большое количество электронов коллективно сдвигают свои позиции....немного, но  ток но может быть весьма высоким
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Сигналы:
распространяются вдоль проводов на очень высоких скоростях.
Если провод отлично ведет, то скорость распространения сигнала зависит от изоляционного материала вокруг провода.
Это связано с тем, что передача энергии фактически находится в электрическом и магнитном полях.
Вектор Пойнтинга является E поперечным B и пропорционален потоку энергии на единицу площади за единицу времени,
и поскольку электрическое поле обращается в нуль внутри проводника, никакая энергия не течет внутри проводника (!),
олько снаружи, в непосредственной близости.
Скорость распространения сигналов тогда зависит от диэлектрических свойств изоляции, и обычно
- приблизительно 70 % скорости света.
Электроны только текут в проводнике, чтобы удовлетворить условиям электрического и магнитных полей,
повинующихся уравнениям Максвелла на поверхности проводника.
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О переменном токе - среднее значение AC тока в цепи должно быть нулевым 
(если не существует некоторое смещение DC)  ток течет назад и вперед постоянно, 
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Оппозицию текущему потоку через Конденсатор переменного тока называют Емкостным Реактансом 
который непосредственно является обратно  пропорциональным частоте 'поставки'  питания
Этот фактор непосредственно отвечает за хранение энергии и плотности электронов в проводнике.
поэтому чем больше диаметр проводника, тем выше его способность к временному хранению энергии
Tаким образом это не действительно диаметр, который является важным,  но размер поверхности того проводника.
Он может быть пористым или деформированным.
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сбор временного заряда может быть сделан в любой частоте (например частот спектра разрядника,)
но энергия   подается дальше  дальше на резонoй частотe эквивалента LC-схемы этой катушки.
лучшие сигналы для этого - узкие но короткие прямоугольные импульсы HV один из наиболее известных методов
состоит из двух генераторов. О
Oдин генератор дает синусоидальный сигнал на частоте 5-20 кГц, а второй генератор изменяет модулирование синусоида
с узким высоким уровнем девиативного положения
-или лучше сказать положения на этом синусоидальном сигнале (лучшая позиция составляет 5 градусов
после максимального положениa положительного синусоида)
Катушка Капанадзе в аквариуме #1 была сделана из широкой медной фольги, чтобы увеличить ее поверхность.
Если Вы хотите иметь более короткую длину катушки,
Однако две медные фольги,  изолированные фольгой, значительно усиливают емкостное сопротивление эти два или
три или любое их количество - медная фольга должна быть подключена очень точно.
Если вы соединяете последние два конца этой фольги вместе, вы  вынули/вывезли  реактивные компоненты импеданса  в ноль.
Bы не хотите, чтобы это произошло.(бифилярная форма связи).
Поэтому все передние концы должны быть соединены вместе и иметь фольгу между.
Но только один конец должен использоваться с противоположного конца
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чтобы лучше понять это: - возьмите 10 тонких медных полосок  copper фольги ширина 5 см - возьмите 10 тонких полосок фольги шириной 5 см
Если вы используете высокое напряжение для импульсов, чем изолирующая пленка должна быть более широкой 5см+1 см ~/= 6см
- уложите их один поверх другого.
-Вы можете свернуть их как конденсатор
-  передний конец (все изолированные между медные полоски) припоят вместе.
-  с  другой стороны (10  полос медной фольги) только один  конец использовать длину такого сандвича может быть, например, 10 м
но когда он свернут в цилиндер, он занимает небольшое пространство
Частота резонанса такого конденсатора катушки зависит от его емкостных и индуктивных реактансов.

Quick Translation :
to get a better understanding of this - take 10 thin  copper foil strips 5 cm wide
- take 10 thin strips of foil 5 cm wide
If you use high voltage for pulses than the insulating film should be wider 5cm+1cm ~ / 6cm
- stack them one on top of the other .
-You can roll them up as a condenser
- the front end (all insulated between copper strips) is soldered together but only from one side. That increases  surface of such structure adding to it capacitive reactance.
On the other end  of (10 strips of copper foil), you  only use one end  out of 10.
ther rest 9 ends must be not connected.
to better use the length of such a sandwich  you can:
roll in  all  of them into a  form of cylindrical structure.
Such structure   occupies  small space.
The frequency of resonance of such a coil capacitor depends on its capacitive and inductive reactances.
Spark gap  bandwidth is from single Hz to 1GHz   with one  but significant  High amplitude region.
Collecting energy by such coil capacitor  is taking advantage  of all of that  spark gap spectrum components. 
But  output of coil capacitor (  the far end  of  just  one  of  the 10 single copper strips)  does it  at resonance frequency of such coil capacitor.
 IF you have noticed  Tariel in TENT SHOW used humongous coils  ( not  Grenade) but strange it was to see big bank of AC capacitors next to it) !!!!
I assume but I'm not sure that these capacitors have been slightly modified to to form  described by me here.   
If not  than please take model number  from  TENT PRESENTATION  of such capacitors and you maybe able to find drawings of its internal structure
At the right frequency of  stimulating impulses you  will be able to trigger   interaction of coil #11 ( or otherwise  coil that is connected to the ground with diode)       
look below for instructions.
Note:
by that we may also understand that  use of foil can be replaced by use of capacitors.

How to make electrostatic pump:

          Вы также можете добавить еще одну медную фольгу номер 11 вместе с другими 10 (медной фольгой). 
Этa Медная фольга вообще не подключена другим.
Tеперь соедините эту медную фольгу с заземляющим проводом используя диод между грунтом и фольгой.
Поляризация диода должна быть в ее проводящем направлении от земли до медной фольги.
Вы сделали теперь электростатический насос.
И это - 90 % успеха вашего СE.  (закрутите винтoм орехи  царя)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9foRzZEZRo&t=613s

Quick Translation :
You can also add another copper foil number 11 along with the other 10 copper foils.
This copper foil is not connected at all to  set of others 10 foils.
but this strip is winded along with  other 10  copper foil strips insulated in between .
_{Again please understand that  even if these 10 strips are connected  together from one side ,their surface   is 10 times bigger than  single copper strip.
that  work at significantly lower frequencies .
this concept is taken from Tariel Kapanadze  aquarium #1 ( the red coil cpacitor with shiny something in the middle).
You can see from the picture that he soldered all of copper  strips in the middle
and than winded all together.
Than only one from strips was used from outside
I hope you can understand it .}
And now connect this copper foil #11 with the ground wire using a diode in between
( using a diode between the ground and the foil #11.)
Polarization of the diode must be in its conducting direction from the ground to the copper foil.
You have now made an electrostatic pump.
And this is 90% success of your FE. ((tighten the screw around the Russian  king's nuts))


It is to much to translate. Try to use  translator  I  hope it will come somehow    logical.
This is due to me being allowed now to go that far  with sharing of information that is in my possession.

-Please  understand that number of strips is not critical.
- It is  just one of solutions of Tariel.
- electrostatic pump is my  own  way to explain  processes
Tariel was able to intuitively   by errors and trials to understand how it works.
Tariel is not  so advanced to be able to  explain why it is  happening. He only knows how  to make it.
Later modifications especially by SR193 have been using slightly  different approach.

Grenade coil  serves partially  similar function using canceling  of reactances in 3D geometrical space of  adjacent coils
It is not only one way to get results .
That is why  I concentrated myself on understanding phenomena .
Honestly ....

Wesley


PS;
1. this schematic of the pump is not mine  and it  applies to electrical equivalent  of water  pump but this is  absolutely  the concept of  electrostatic pump. ( search Free Energy Well Pump to find it  - it is on web side not on video )
2.  kapanadze coil capacitor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z3S4R_wycU
3. kapanadze coil capacitor  https://youtu.be/0Z3S4R_wycU?t=597
 Please note that frequency of spark gap is very low ~ 20Hz
4. Kapanadze Tent presentation - bank of  capacitors serving as part of coil capacitor  circuitry If you interested than please find model number and internal structure of it

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
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 Arunas may the ask You for help with the Translation as with the a well:

the Conversation of by Wesley with the Cheshire Cat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9foRzZEZRo&t=613s
Please note Note That larger part of such conversation is not related to the this are subject
and there are few separate conversations.
find the right one.
 
Wesley says:
Easy answer: the
density of the electron beam in the conductor: electrons of different types of atoms have different degrees of freedom to move.
With some types of materials, such as metals, the outermost electrons in atoms are so loosely related,
that they randomly move in the space between atoms the effect of temperature changes in the room so that there is no need for an electric current in the conductor.
Since these practically unconnected electrons are free to leave their respective atoms and float
around in the space between neighboring atoms, they are often called free electrons.
In other types of materials, such as glass, the electrons of atoms have very little freedom of movement.
- the insulating material (foil) acts as a medium for increasing the electron density)
If we want the electrons to flow in a certain direction in a certain place,
we must provide the correct way for them to move, just like a plumber must
install a pipeline so that water flows where he or she wants it to flow.
electrons can move freely in the conductor.
They have a drift speed of 1 cm / s, but when we see a conductor (for example, an antenna), the electron
does not actually move along the entire length of the conductor, it just vibrates around its middle position, and its energy comes forward.
============================================ The
actual drift velocity is highly dependent from the geometry of the conductor, the magnitude of the current flowing
and the density of the mobile charge carriers (the drift velocity is proportional to the current and inversely proportional to
the cross-sectional area and the mobile carrier density). 50 Hz, in Russia,
electrons do not drift very far.
A large number of electrons collectively shift their positions .... a little, but the current but can be very high
============================== =================
Signals:
propagate along the wires at very high speeds.
If the lead is excellent, the signal propagation speed depends on the insulating material around the wire.
This is due to the fact that the energy transfer is actually in the electric and magnetic fields.
The Poynting vector is E transverse B and is proportional to the energy flux per unit area per unit time,
and since the electric field vanishes inside the conductor, no energy flows inside the conductor (!),
Only from the outside, in close proximity.
The propagation velocity of the signals then depends on the dielectric properties of the insulation, and usually
about 70% of the speed of light.
The electrons only flow in the conductor to satisfy the conditions of the electric and magnetic fields
obeying the Maxwell equations on the conductor surface.
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About alternating current - the average AC value of the current in the circuit must be zero 
(if there is no DC offset), the current flows back and forth continuously, 
 ============= ===========================
The opposition to the current flow through the AC Condenser is called the Capacitive Reactance 
which itself is inversely proportional to the 'supply' frequency of the supply
This factor is directly responsible for storing the energy and density of electrons in the conductor.
so the larger the diameter of the conductor, the higher its ability to temporarily store energy
. So this is not really a diameter that is important, but the surface size of that conductor.
It can be porous or deformed.
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collection of the time charge can be made at any frequency (for example, the frequencies of the arrester spectrum,),
but the energy is fed further on at the resonant frequency of the equivalent of the LC circuit of this coil.
The best signals for this are narrow but short rectangular HV pulses. One of the best known methods
consists of two generators. ABOUT
One generator produces a sinusoidal signal at a frequency of 5-20 kHz, and the second oscillator modulates the sinusoid modulation
with a narrow high level of the deviative position-
or better say the positions on this sinusoidal signal (the best position is 5 degrees
after the maximum position of the positive sine wave)
Kapanadze's reel in the aquarium # 1 was made of a wide copper foil to increase its surface.
If you want to have a shorter coil length,
However, two copper foils, insulated with foil, greatly enhance the capacitive resistance of these two or
three or any number of them - the copper foil must be connected very accurately.
If you connect the last two ends of this foil together, you removed / removed the reactive impedance components to zero.
You do not want this to happen. (Bifilar form of communication).
Therefore, all the front ends must be connected together and have a foil in between.
But only one end should be used from the opposite end
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to better understand this: - Take 10 thin copper strips of copper foil 5 cm wide - take 10 thin strips of foil 5 cm wide
If you use high voltage for pulses than the insulating film should be wider 5cm + 1cm ~ / = 6cm
- stack them one on top of the other.
-You can roll them up like a capacitor
- Front end (all insulated between copper strips) are soldered together.
- the other part (10 strips of copper foil), only one end of the length of use of the sandwich can be, for example, 10 m
but when it is rolled into Cylinders, it occupies little space
resonance frequency of such a condenser coil depends on its capacitance and inductive reactance.

Quick the Translation:
to the get a better Understanding of the this - take 10 thin copper foil strips 5 cm wide
- take 10 thin strips of foil 5 cm wide
the If you use high voltage for Pulses than the insulating film Should the BE Wider 5cm + 1cm ~ / 6cm
- stack them one on top of the other.
-You can roll them up as a condenser
- the front end (all insulated between copper strips) is soldered together but only from one side. That increases  surface of such structure adding to it capacitive reactance.
On the other end  of (10 strips of copper foil), you  only use one end  out of 10.
ther rest 9 ends must be not connected.
to better use the length of such a sandwich  you can:
roll in  all  of them into a  form of cylindrical structure.
Such structure   occupies  small space.
The frequency of resonance of such a coil capacitor depends on its capacitive and inductive reactances.
Spark gap  bandwidth is from single Hz to 1GHz   with one  but significant  High amplitude region.
Collecting energy by such coil capacitor  is taking advantage  of all of that  spark gap spectrum components. 
But  output of coil capacitor (  the far end  of  just  one  of  the 10 single copper strips)  does it  at resonance frequency of such coil capacitor.
 IF you have noticed  Tariel in TENT SHOW used humongous coils  ( not  Grenade) but strange it was to see big bank of AC capacitors next to it) !!!!
I assume but I'm not sure that these capacitors have been slightly modified to to form  described by me here.   
If not  than please take model number  from  TENT PRESENTATION  of such capacitors and you maybe able to find drawings of its internal structure
At the right frequency of stimulating impulses, you will be able to get the trigger of coil # 11 (or otherwise coil that is connected to the ground with diode)       
look below for instructions.
Note:
by that we may also understand that use of capacitors.

How to make electrostatic pump:

          You can also add another copper foil number 11 along with the other 10 (copper foil). 
This copper foil is not connected at all to another.
Now connect this copper foil to the ground wire using a diode between the ground and the foil.
Polarization of the diode must be in its conducting direction from the ground to the copper foil.
You have now made an electrostatic pump.
И это - 90 % успеха вашего СE.  (закрутите винтoм орехи  царя)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9foRzZEZRo&t=613s

Quick Translation :
You can also add another copper foil number 11 along with the other 10 copper foils.
This copper foil is not connected at all to  set of others 10 foils.
but this strip is winded along with  other 10  copper foil strips insulated in between .
Again please understand that  even if these 10 strips are connected  together from one side ,their surface   is 10 times bigger than  single copper strip.
that  work at significantly lower frequencies .
this concept is taken from Tariel Kapanadze  aquarium #1 ( the red coil cpacitor with shiny something in the middle).
You can see from the picture that he soldered all of copper  strips in the middle
and than winded all together.
Than only one from strips was used from outside
I hope you can understand it .
And now connect this copper foil #11 with the ground wire using a diode in between
( using a diode between the ground and the foil #11.)
Polarization of the diode must be in its conducting direction from the ground to the copper foil.
You have now made an electrostatic pump.
And this is 90% success of your FE. ((tighten the screw around the Russian  king's nuts))


It is to much to translate. Try to use  translator  I  hope it will come somehow    logical.
This is due to me being allowed now to go that far  with sharing of information that is in my possession.

-Please  understand that number of strips is not critical.
- It is  just one of solutions of Tariel.
- electrostatic pump is my  own  way to explain  processes
Tariel was able to intuitively   by errors and trials to understand how it works.
Tariel is not  so advanced to be able to  explain why it is  happening. He only knows how  to make it.
Later modifications especially by SR193 have been using slightly  different approach.

Grenade coil  serves partially  similar function using canceling  of reactances in 3D geometrical space of  adjacent coils
It is not only one way to get results .
That is why  I concentrated myself on understanding phenomena .
Honestly ....

Wesley


PS;
1. this schematic of the pump is not mine  and it  applies to electrical equivalent  of water  pump but this is  absolutely  the concept of  electrostatic pump. ( search Free Energy Well Pump to find it  - it is on web side not on video )
2.  kapanadze coil capacitor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z3S4R_wycU
3. kapanadze coil capacitor  https://youtu.be/0Z3S4R_wycU?t=597
 Please note that frequency of spark gap is very low ~ 20Hz
4. Kapanadze Tent presentation - bank of  capacitors serving as part of coil capacitor  circuitry  Please find model number and internal structure of it
 I did my part you do yours
 
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  kapanadze coil capacitor1.jpg (217.35 kB, 897x601 - viewed 23 times.)

[stivep]

Part#2
 In Tent Demonstration Tariel used   3 phase motor as generator.
There is nothing connected to it.
But it has blue tag for Tariel to be able visually watch frequency of rotation.
Each of phases delivers impulse to just one  set of big coils.
But you may very well use 1 phase  motor as well.
If  powering motor impulses   contains bigger intervals  in between impulses that motor being in free motion now due to its  rotor moving against stator  acts as generator.
Produced impulses are of oposite polarity   when compared to impulses delivered to the motor.
By that simple diode may recognize them as outgoing impulses.
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 But this  is not the most important.
Tariel used  these phenomena to experiment with different generators

-in TENT presentation that was a motor. where each of the windings  of that motor  was dedicated to power one set of big coils.
- in glass table there was 3 motors each one dedicated to one phase only.
- in presentation to me he used  spark train generator used in gas  hot water heater ( NORMALLY APPLIED TO LIGHT UP THE FLAME)
- in Green box we have spark gap producing wide spectrum of frequencies.. but we can not se much  . It is possible that green box was not entirely made with metal allowing coil capacitor inside to interact.
- In aquarium #1 we see clearly presence of coil capacitor and low frequency spark gap
 So spark gap is part of generator frequency adjustment.
 That presence of short sparks but with long silence between them   is indication of the same what I described about motor in Tent Presentation.

 Wesley

PS: the generator is acting as a pump Push Pull.

[stivep]

I will not be able to respond to all of your questions.
this is more like storage box
Wesley

[d3x0r]

Hi
I know this is a little out of your wheelhouse - so to speak... but was wondering what you thought of this idea...
(PDF attached of patent, next message has links to patents on web)
https://overunity.com/17653/pierres-170w-in-1600w-out-looped-very-impressive-build-continued-moderated/msg521687/#msg521687


Unfortunately the original videos are no longer available.... The difference between patent and Pierre's device is DZ Generator uses manual switching instead of external phases...

[stivep]

0006. In present electric generators a small amount of energy normally less than 1% of the outgoing power in big generators is used to excite the mechanically rotated electromagnetic poles that will induce voltages and currents in conductors having a relative speed of movement between them and polar masses.

Quotes:  from Patent application:
0007. The rest of the energy used in the process of obtaining electricity is needed to move the masses and to overcome the losses of the system: mechanical losses, friction losses, airgap losses, hysteresis losses, all of which in conjunction, are responsible for the excess in power input (mechanical power) required to generate always smaller amount of electrical power.

0009. In the continues electrical generator there is no mechanical losses friction losses brushes losses windinage losses: Armature reaction losses, or air gap losses, because there is not any movement of any kind. There are:
synchronous reactance losses, eddy current losses, and hysteresis losses, which are inherent to the design, construction and the materials of the generator, but in the same extend us in common generators

So here we have few quotes from PDF patent application as of September 11, 2003 publication number US2003/0168921 A1 by Molina Martinez.
In other words we dealing with stationary arrangement of physical motion and no rotation.

0010
1% or less of total energy produced by present electric generators, goes to create their own magnetic field, a mechanical energy that exceeds the total output of present generators is used to make them rotate into process of extracting electrical currents from them.
In the continuous electrical generator there is no need for movement since, the field is in fact already rotating electromagnetically, so all of that mechanical energy will not be needed, under similar conditions of exciting currents, core mass, and windings design,
the continues electrical generator, is significantly more efficient than present generators, which also means that it can produce significantly more than the energy it needs to operate. The continues electrical generator can feedback the system, the temporary source may be disconnected and the generator will run indefinitely

So even seen here that main reason why the application was rejected was that statement
_{"the temporary source may be disconnected and the generator will run indefinitely"}
in this application sounds like contradicting with laws of reciprocity,
By that that application was a sign to perpetual motion group of machines by patent office.

In 0011  we have interesting statement:

quote:
"continuous electrical generator, may excite its own electromagnetic field with a minimum part of electrical energy produced'

this statement is an indication of concept used by Tariel Kapanadze . Where device produce enough of electrical energy to run itself and by means of self looping deliver part of that energy back to power the same device by itself.
And that of course is not acceptable by means of United States patent office. It is also contradicting the general thinking of most of physicists if not all of them.

But interesting point I could make here:
not always all of the factors are immediately visible.
My friend is science Dr. Roy likes to say.
"Only the magician knows his tricks."
that does not mean that automatically all tricks are not scientifically valid.
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by means of science:
energy delivered as well as energy used for conversion, must be bigger than energy left over after conversion is done, or after energy is consumed

So in this topic I specifically pointed at phenomena that could only be explained
 if we have two sources of energy:
1 – energy useful conversion. This energy can be:  Telluric Current
2 – energy that takes this  Telluric Current and pump it into your device connected to the load for example lightbulb
but still will be able to reroute part of that energy back to the power terminals of your device and power it's electronic components.
And of course there is a need for our own initial energy just to be able to start the device and it is usually 12 V battery.

The general concept of any electrostatic concept device is to deliver some of our own energy at first
use this energy to power the device and then disconnected so that device then connected to the ground would be able to power itself and power the load connected to it.

And of course even if you make it work nobody would believe in it and everybody would think that this is just a magician trick.
Just because I happen to be able to witness by myself such devices and be sure that this is not a trick I am here with you and I'm sharing my knowledge.

Please understand that I'm on the ground of classical approach and I am in no way are going to be a rebelliant .
There is no free lunch and nobody is going to give anything for free.
Everything that sounds to be for free it is actually salesperson trick for you to be obligated to pay for it many times more than its original value.

But it is proven that we can use energy of sun, energy of wind, energy of river flow, energy or friction, thermal energy, and plenty of other forms of energy that doesn't have to be paid for.


This is all for now and this is not the end, this is just the beginning,

Wesley

[d3x0r]

So even seen here that main reason why the application was rejected was that statement
_{"the temporary source may be disconnected and the generator will run indefinitely"}
in this application sounds like contradicting with laws of reciprocity,
By that that application was a sign to perpetual motion group of machines by patent office.

Indeed; on the google site it had it classified perpetum mobile (something)
the uspto.gov website is kinda crap; and would only return the first page of the rejection letter.  I really wanted to see how they would word that in a rejection.  So 'Abandoned' is really rejected; although it looks like a failure to respond to office action is what caused rejection.


Edit;
an anology; if you have a rubber baloon filled with a pressure, and had a means to install a valve, and apply a pressue to the valve to cause it to open.... (you give it a 12V jolt) and then there's a release of usable pressure.  The valve could have a fan -generator attached....

[stivep]

Indeed; on the google site it had it classified perpetum mobile (something)
the uspto.gov website is kinda crap; and would only return the first page of the rejection letter.  I really wanted to see how they would word that in a rejection.  So 'Abandoned' is really rejected; although it looks like a failure to respond to office action is what caused rejection.


Edit;
an anology; if you have a rubber baloon filled with a pressure, and had a means to install a valve, and apply a pressue to the valve to cause it to open.... (you give it a 12V jolt) and then there's a release of usable pressure.  The valve could have a fan -generator attached....

Yes that is true.
Wesley

[stivep]

Molina-Martinez main text body
Wesley

[Hoppy]

Hi Wesley,
Its good to see that you have started your own thread.
You wrote: -
"But interesting point I could make here:
not always all of the factors are immediately visible.
My friend is science Dr. Roy likes to say.
"Only the magician knows his tricks."
that does not mean that automatically all tricks are not scientifically valid."

A wise guy your Dr. Roy!
I hope you won't take this the wrong way but you do come across as being strongly biassed towards the opinion that Kapanadze's devices are genuine self-runners. I find this rather strange that given you clearly have good technical training and education and yet, although you have seen some of Kapanadze's first hand, you have never had the opportunity to conduct a proper physical instrument based technical analysis on any of them.

I'll leave you with these shots from Kapanadze's / Akula's videos that I feel uneasy with: -

[stivep]

I  do thank you  for your comment and pictures.
Just think about this simple schematic of electrostatic pump, 
You may find it electronically  correct.
But first let's  put everything together:

We have mechanical arrangement that contains:
1. electrical motor ( it can be 1 phase or  3 phase
2. we have schematic 1
_{look at picture 1 below.}
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During the time where impulses intervals are equal 0V motor rotating by inertia acts as  another generator but at this time it is producing  its own impulses.
At picture #2  I will analyze these signals.

Note:
your comments  under  my post happened during the time  that I was working on picture #2 so please review it one more time.
I'm not yet at the point of self-looping  or energy efficiency. I'm just explaining  how it works .
 

Picture #2:
Motor  that is already in motion  is energized  again by  positive part of an impulse delivered from external source of impulses.
That motor polarizes capacitor ( I have described dual form of such capacitor in my earlier posts). _{It is  capacitive factor of impedance that  is important , rather than specifically  stated particular form of such capacitor that is important!}
-After end of this positive part of an impulse there is  no voltage delivered to the motor.for the period of time specified by  length of intervals between impulses _.
  but because  shaft of motor is in motion than  that motor produces its own  impulses opposite in polarity
- From the other side of capacitor  we have diode D2 that unloads potential of capacitor if connected to the load.
- At the  period of time of 0V  delivered by external  source  , the electrical impulses generated by inertial motion of the motor acts as PULL of PUSH-PULL  -the capacitor to  be  charged again but with different polarity.
- motor used by Tariel Kapanadze  might of have slight modification !!!!!!!!!! that depends from the motor .
- in all of Kapanadze devices and versions we deal with the same physical phenomena. like Electronic Push-Pull and spark Gap to create series of impulses already at HV.
- ground wire  in certain regions of the world my not be connected however capacitive coupling must be present.
  e.g.  Car dipole  Antenna  needs counterpoise( "contrabalace") and Car metal body serves as  counterpoise.
  in  Walke-Talke  Your body is a counterpoise, in cellphone smart  microprocessor makes SWR close to 1:1
  and so on, but your human body walks on the earth.
  In air or in space  there is set couterpoise relation  between antenna and body of  flying object.  So look at it as mass to mass relation at very specific wavelength ,
  that wavelength is specified by physical length of an  antenna. But in order  for that antenna to resonate you must obey proper frequency delivery  from the transmitter to that antenna .
  There is rule of law: FIRST RESONATE THAN PROPAGATE.!!
  The major problem for early 20 century spark transmitters was that total power  of such TX was spread  along entire spectrum of the signals emitted by the antenna.
 
  To better understand it :
  You also may  picture yourself pushing with your left hand finger  in the middle of the palm of your right hand. You will fill the pressure end possibly small pain.
  But if you now take into your left hand  metal needle    that is very narrow  and apply the same force on the palm of your right hand - the needle will penetrate your hand all away and comes out from the  other side.
  that is what I meant about concentrating  all elements of spectrum instead of filtering  it. SO DO NOT FILTER IT!!
 
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Picture #3:
 We see here presence of negative polarity of the impulse from external source of signals.
 But because polarity of this  impulse is the same to the polarity  stored in capacitor  than now we have at OUTPUT sum of both signals
-the one from external source
-and the one  from rotating shaft of the motor.
 _{Please note:
 that... because we are powering motor with external negative impulse,  we use energy to overcome motor losses,
however these loses are  much smaller now, as shaft is in its inertial motion .
That can be compared to the car that was pushed from speed zero  at first  train of impulses  by group of teenagers,
 and now this group push it again  but car is already in inertial motion created by previous pushes.   
 So now losses are much smaller to maintain  the same speed.
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Picture #4:
<sub>Coil capacitor:
Please note that building such structure may not be necessary  just fallow instructions from picture 4.
find and analyze model number of capacitors used by  Tariel  Kapanadze in his Tent  presentation. Analyze connection of capacitors and its internal structure based on spec.

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At this point we just explained PUSH -PULL action
However this arrangement  does not produce  access of energy  unless we include  explanation of  energy conversion responsible for let me call it "coupling".
If we are able to explain it  with no violation  of laws of thermodynamics , than such "coupling". may be accepted by  the most  conservative physicists




There are few important things  needed to mention:
The schematic should work at  this arrangement however:

- energy can be collected on Capacitor at any spectrum of frequencies, But there is very specific  frequency and 
  gap between impulses that must be individually  set  baset on experimenter model of motor.

- energy output can be connected to primary of Tesla Coil or HV transformer such as flyback. Flyback  acts as
  temporary energy storage  due to its gap  in halfs of the ferrite core.

 - collecting and narrowing  with of impulse at the output  should be done in such a way that, there is no  energy loss. think of it  rather as a "funnel" , do not think about it as a  form of filter.
e.g.  if I place funnel  on the top of the bottle and pour the water inside  the neck of the bottle.  You did not lose energy but you lose speed of flow.

Ground wire can be tricky as well as coil capacitor .
Telluric current presence in your location can be checked by  inserting two copper rods  at the distance of  e.g 50m and measuring voltage in between

 Wesley

PS: this is as far As I'm  allowed to move forward.
  Part of the data that was not resented to you  as of yet , -  does not have OK to be released.
  As I stated  not all of my knowledge is my own intellectual property.</sub>
 THAT IS WHY PEOPLE  FROM AROUND THE WORLD TRUST ME TO BE THEIR SAFETY DEPOSIT.

[Hoppy]

OK. This is pretty much an early Bedini energiser setup - free energy generator.

[ramset]

Hoppy
Do you know anyone
anyone at all... who has seen the "B"energizer make more energy than it took to run it ?would be nice to read about that or see it ?
in all my years of speaking with builders here and elsewhere
No one has ever done an energy audit or powered anything with one that I am aware of ??

@@  Wesley your image is too big ?? 

 it makes us  run back and forth to read the page

[Hoppy]

Hoppy
Do you know anyone
anyone at all... who has seen the "B"energizer make more energy than it took to run it ?would be nice to read about that or see it ?
in all my years of speaking with builders here and elsewhere
No one has ever done an energy audit or powered anything with one that I am aware of ??

@@  Wesley your image is too big ?? 

 it makes us  run back and forth to read the page

Hi Ramset,
I've spent a few years building various strains of 'B' energisers and as the man himself always stressed, the energiser is not an OU device in itself and is simply a signal generator to condition LA batteries in such a way that a system COP greater than unity could be achieved. However, I carried out simple but laborious energy measurements in accordance with the protocol on the then SSG forums but never achieved a system COP >1. I think I can see where Wesley is taking us because the energiser was most effective pulse charging storage capacitors which in turn are pulse dumped to load.
 Like you, I communicated with several builders and none of them reported any free energy arising out of their experiments.