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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2385 on: April 18, 2023, 09:16:15 AM »
Did you use the diodes in the way he tells us?  He says that the diodes are very, very important as they negate losses =  I speculate maybe negates Lenz?
Clearly, pulsed squarewave with variable duty cycles and frequencies is the experiment to be conducted here.
Also, use a magnetometer and see which frequency/duty cycle combination gives the biggest magnetic field.
Also, use very fast diodes. No two diode types are the same.
He also says that you can keep the transformer together by using ordinary cheap insulation tape.
I hope this helps.


Of course diodes are cruicial to use transformer as flyback.
With typical flyback converter where magnetic path is closed and 2 coils close coupled there is about 90% efficiency. It is just conversion of low voltage to higher voltage ,energy is fransferred from primary to secondary with a loss. No energy is stored in the ferromagnetic core, energy from primary is only transferred to secondary.
Diode in secondary coil is blocking current flow during magnetization, so there is no Lenz counter magnetic field from secondary.
Flyback primary is driven by pulses, or via diode if supply is sinus, we need only half period of sinus for magnetization and zero for demagnetization period.
Nothing special so far.
With Melnichenko setup, you see that magnetization coil (primary) is separaterd from the ferromagnetic core where secondary output coil is wound.
This separation is important for two reasons:
- to magnetise ferromagnetic core of secondary a weak magnetic field is enough, if you look on hysteresis graph of any soft ferromagnetic material it is nonlinear, that means small external magnetic field causes large internal magnetic field in that ferromagnetic material. Multiplication is equal to relative permeability. Transformer steel has about 4000, good nanoperms 20000-200000. This is multiplication factor of magnetic field.
- when magnetisation coil is separated from the core, during magnetisation, core creates it's own, separate amplified magnetic field. That field permeates outside core through the air and most of it ( Melnichenko says about 90%) is closing back to the core, only small portion is passing by magnetizing coil. Remember magnetic energy is stored in the air, outside core.
Once magnetisation current is interrupted, amplified field created by ferromagnetic core vanishes, collapses inducing EMF in the secondary windings.
I am going to test this setup.


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2386 on: April 18, 2023, 10:08:08 AM »
1 No switching: I watched the Aquarium 1 video and saw Kapanadze blow a transistor when switching between various devices. This told me immediately that he was no engineer. It would have been simplicity itself to put easily reachable fuses all over the device to protect the circuitry. I would have done - especially in front of potential investors.

In order for us to think correctly, we need to understand the following:


- Who is Tariel Kapanadze? Is the lone inventor?


No. He himself said this several times, on his video. Long ago there was some group of people, probably scientists, who investigated gravitational effects. Interesting results were obtained by this group, but there was no further progress in the direction of monetization. Kapanadze, and probably some others, left this group and began aggressive marketing.


And you yourself saw how many people's near theses devices.

   It is probably necessary to perceive Kapanadze as a project manager. Or even as a brand, a public relations person.

   Transformers, wires, transistors - all this is visible tinsel that performs auxiliary functions. Science in Georgia is in a bad financial situation and they will not be able to spend money to make quality prototypes.

   Developing the technology to produce of the main working element, which of course is heavily hidden, could in the past take thousands of man-hours of team work. Even if Kapanadze wanted to give clues and even reveal a secret, he had no right to leave his team hungry.
The device broke down during the demonstration to the investor - maybe it was planned that way. Why invest in a fully working device, it's easier to buy one.
You underestimate the tricks of the other side.

2 The device had to output 2 kilowatts for hours and hours. It did; and worked for 4 and a half hours before it was time to finish the demonstration.
I think that this information rules out your interesting hypothesis.
So let's keep analysing the first video because I believe it gives away the most secrets.
   I did not write anywhere that Kapanadze has a chemical power cell in the coil, the components of which are irreversibly consumed.
 If there, for example, water decomposes into oxygen and hydrogen "in situ", then it is then converted back into the same water.
Ideally, nothing from visible is consumed, and even a small supply of components can be enough for a long period of work.
I suggest watching the ancient video of Tariel Kapanadze, "Auto on the water":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIMXgLuq6gA
Kapanadze invented many different principles of free energy machines, to each what he likes? Or just one?

PS: Prehistory of "Auto on Water" Kapanadze:
For the first time this car is mentioned in the GreenBox video. In the same place, Tariel mentions the Filipino Daniel Dingel, who, as it were, stole this invention from Tariel.  :o ;D
Tariel found the info about this Filipino from the ordinary magazine "Behind the Wheel", apparently in 2001. So the invention of the "car on the water" must be dated earlier than 2001.
https://www.zr.ru/archive/zr/2001/04/avtoprobieg-na-lunu

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2387 on: April 18, 2023, 11:21:27 AM »
From antigravity to hydrogen? Is it the same?
We don't know anything about the hydrogen engine. We do not know whether it was supported by fuel, e.g. gasoline or oil. We don't even know if it has anything to do with the 2004 device. There's also a pressure device that doesn't fit anything at all. This way my dishwasher fits too.

I understand that we have to take everything into account, but we don't have to take it for granted. Kapanadze has had many interests before, and they are not necessarily related. I think so.
the question is? which are the same effect? because maybe all of them.
ok. hydrogen engine: maybe it's not the engine! but about how to produce hydrogen. The only thing that came to Kapanaga's mind was the use of hydrogen for an internal combustion engine. Correct.
So our FE is a way to produce hydrogen in large quantities !!!???
Hydrogen as energy can be converted to KWh and to get 5kW you need a certain amount of hydrogen per second right.
So how much hydrogen is needed for 5kW/s?

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2388 on: April 18, 2023, 11:30:32 AM »
Did you use the diodes in the way he tells us?  He says that the diodes are very, very important as they negate losses =  I speculate maybe negates Lenz?
Clearly, pulsed squarewave with variable duty cycles and frequencies is the experiment to be conducted here.
Also, use a magnetometer and see which frequency/duty cycle combination gives the biggest magnetic field.
Also, use very fast diodes. No two diode types are the same.
He also says that you can keep the transformer together by using ordinary cheap insulation tape.
I hope this helps.
Yes, I know that diodes only stop the LENZ very quickly! Ordinary diodes let through!


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2390 on: April 18, 2023, 12:21:56 PM »
r2fpl, Kapanadze in 2001 could not be connected in any way with the geographically remote Filipino Daniel Dingel, and these Tariel words about the theft of the principle of the device by the Filipino are the usual story that the secret of the invention is in danger and can be stolen, so he could not tell anything in detail.  ;D
From antigravity to hydrogen? Is it the same?
Kapanadze says about gravity and antigravity research, but initially on this video says "Gravity forces":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BJnrlUbb58

But not Einstein, Dirac and Schrodenger's cat etc.
I assume that they studied the rise of groundwater in various types of soils and related topics. As a result, some material was probably found and a process was developed that made it possible to break the water molecule with little energy consumption.
Something along these lines:
https://openpress.usask.ca/soilscience/chapter/soil-physics/
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Hydrogen bonding

Because of the polarity of a water molecule, the electronegatively charged oxygen atom can develop an attraction force with the electropositively charged hydrogen as two water molecules come close together. This attraction force creates an intermolecular bond known as hydrogen bond between the protons of the hydrogen atom of one water molecule and the oxygen atom of the other. This force of attraction effectively bonds water molecules together.

Adhesion and cohesion forces

Hydrogen bonds create two forces that are responsible for water retention and movement in soils (Figure 4.8a). The attraction force between water molecules and solid particles is known as force (force between two different materials). The attraction force between water molecules is known as force (force between similar materials). Generally, adhesion forces are much stronger than the cohesion forces as water molecules are tightly held onto the soil-solids (also known as adsorption). These tightly bound water molecules further hold onto other water molecules through cohesion forces. Together, the adhesion and cohesion forces make it possible for soil solids to hold water and to allow water movement through the soil. Increasing distance between the water molecule and the solid surface decreases the binding attraction between the water molecule and the solid surface, thus soil water farther away from soil colloids may not be retained onto the surface of a soil particle (e.g., clay).

Capillary rise

If a cylindrical glass tube is kept in contact with a liquid media such as water in a reservoir open to the atmosphere, water will spread over the inside wall of the glass tube. Due to the stronger adhesion force, the attraction between water molecules and the glass wall will be stronger than the cohesion force between the water molecules. Due to this attraction, the glass wall will “pull” water and there will be a rise of water within the glass tube. This is known as capillary rise (Figure 4.8b). The height of capillary rise of water will be determined by the closeness of the glass walls which creates the attraction force and holds the water against the force of gravity. If the walls are close (or the diameter of the tube is small), the adhesion force will be stronger than the cohesion force, and the water will rise higher. On the other hand, if the diameter of the tube is larger, the cohesion force may surpass the adhesion force and the height of rise of water may be small. Consider the situation in soil, where soil pores created by soil particles may be considered as a buddle of tubes. Now, small pores created by small sized particles (e.g., clay) will have a greater height of rise of water compared to the large pores created by the large sized particles (e.g., sand).
https://geo.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Soil_Science/Digging_into_Canadian_Soils%3A_An_Introduction_to_Soil_Science/01%3A_Digging_In/1.04%3A_Soil_Physics

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2391 on: April 18, 2023, 01:19:17 PM »
Subject derailed into hydrogen and antigravity.
In Kapanadze device of interest I could only see wires, coils ect.


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2392 on: April 18, 2023, 02:10:03 PM »
r2fpl, Kapanadze in 2001 could not be connected in any way with the geographically remote Filipino Daniel Dingel, and these Tariel words about the theft of the principle of the device by the Filipino are the usual story that the secret of the invention is in danger and can be stolen, so he could not tell anything in detail.  ;D

I agree.

Kapanadze says about gravity and antigravity research, but initially on this video says "Gravity forces":

How to relate the gravity of a mechanical device to an electronic one with coils!?

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2393 on: April 18, 2023, 03:31:16 PM »
How to relate the gravity of a mechanical device to an electronic one with coils!?
In all his devices, Kapanadze uses the same process, but in different ways.
Such inventions do not come to mind in batches. Einstein did not create many theories to choose for everyone to find their own. This is impossible.

Compare the sound:

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4HCPrB-KB0

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8hvZfw4Z7g

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« Reply #2394 on: April 18, 2023, 05:49:06 PM »
In all his devices, Kapanadze uses the same process, but in different ways.
Such inventions do not come to mind in batches. Einstein did not create many theories to choose for everyone to find their own. This is impossible.

Compare the sound:

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4HCPrB-KB0

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8hvZfw4Z7g

An interesting comparison, especially since Kapanadze showed a pressure device. This sound is not related to the generation of electricity, but to the movement of the discs! Why ...
See this trag: https://youtu.be/Z4HCPrB-KB0?t=657   (turn the sound full up)
At this point, the device is running already generating FE. Only the moment of switching on the transformer can be heard - the impact of the magnetic field.


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« Reply #2395 on: April 19, 2023, 08:18:07 AM »
See this trag: https://youtu.be/Z4HCPrB-KB0?t=657   (turn the sound full up)
To demonstrate starting from a small battery, they use a "GreenBox" or "Aquarium" type device as a starter battery to start a "20 kW Hydraulic Generator" type device.
Kapanadze's "Hydraulic Generator" devices cannot be started directly from a small battery. In other videos, to start devices like "Hydraulic generator" without the use of an additional starter device, they use a temporary connection to the 220 volt network.
At this point, the device is running already generating FE. Only the moment of switching on the transformer can be heard - the impact of the magnetic field.
Other things can be heard, for example, the initialization of the vibration of the power cells in the coil.https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg576630/#msg576630


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2396 on: April 19, 2023, 09:01:22 AM »
To demonstrate starting from a small battery, they use a "GreenBox" or "Aquarium" type device as a starter battery to start a "20 kW Hydraulic Generator" type device.
Kapanadze's "Hydraulic Generator" devices cannot be started directly from a small battery. In other videos, to start devices like "Hydraulic generator" without the use of an additional starter device, they use a temporary connection to the 220 volt network.Other things can be heard, for example, the initialization of the vibration of the power cells in the coil.https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg576630/#msg576630

Its all fascinating on multiple levels

Here is another time it was on German TV with different angles

Kapanadze is either doing a total deception with the toroid fixed to the shaft (which he always removes for security and breaks the device into its components) or this is a real necessity.  IF SO, there are zero volts (with a conventional multimeter) read off the toroid but that wiring leads into the mystery aquarium.  There is a VERY high chance that this is different superluminal energy and what in the tank is essentially his converting  rectifier.

He guards that tank totally and its blocked out.   He happily shows everything else which indicates he thinks the rest of the components in view are less than 5% of the device and nobody can reverse engineer anything.

https://www.google.com/search?q=kapanadze+spinning+discs+free+energy&ei=So8_ZJi5J4-2oATM57WwCg&ved=0ahUKEwiYhtPBrbX-AhUPG4gKHcxzDaYQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=kapanadze+spinning+discs+free+energy&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAzIFCCEQoAEyBQghEKABOgQIIRAVOgcIIRCgARAKSgQIQRgBUPQFWNMgYJskaAFwAHgAgAHyAogB5iOSAQYyLTEuMTOYAQCgAQHAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz-serp#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:9a8ab641,vid:3thvqFhFIfY


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #2397 on: April 19, 2023, 09:22:13 AM »
Sergh: The magnetic separator is available in few versions.

The toroid can rotate with the magnet inside if it is a coil and if the magnet is diametrically magnetized.

I don't know what these discs are for, but THIS is coming out of the box. Just like with Green Box


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« Reply #2398 on: April 19, 2023, 12:21:20 PM »
The toroid can rotate with the magnet inside if it is a coil and if the magnet is diametrically magnetized.
Do you, as an electrical engineer, seriously assume that the shaft, due to the force from this toroid, can rotate a 20 kilowatt generator under load?  Even if the toroid somehow magically spins the axle, it will start to spin in the opposite direction and break the wires, as it is not properly fixed to the frame. In my vision, this can be only a sensor of rotation speed, or mystification of observers.  :)

I don't know what these discs are for, but THIS is coming out of the box. Just like with Green Box
The discs are located on the axle shafts, between which there is a wooden insert, on which the spring is wound.

This is a mechanical damper to reduce vibration from hydraulic motors and hydraulic pumps. Construction foam on the walls is also for similar purposes.
Hydraulic motors and hydraulic pumps have problems with rotational vibrations on the shaft.
The hydraulic pump or hydraulic motor is usually connected with an elastic coupling.
In addition, hydraulic motors can have a large torque. Because of this, the drive belt to electric generator may break  during acceleration.
To exclude this, a spring is wound on a wooden shaft between the disks.
Although such a system with two flywheels can purposefully multiply pressure vibrations in the hydraulic line. Maybe this is the reason for obtaining free energy in a certain substance.

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« Reply #2399 on: April 19, 2023, 12:42:48 PM »
Sergh: I agree with you that the toroid cannot be responsible for the movement of the shaft. I just wanted to show how it should work, if it can be taken seriously at all.
Does the toroid detect the position of the shaft? there is such a possibility.

Is there a pressurized system? I never thought about it, but your observation gives me a different perspective on this device. Thank you.

photo: Someone once wrote that in this device she saw something similar to a water pump. hmm...