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SolarLab · « **Reply #2370 on:** April 17, 2023, 09:43:44 AM »

Quote from: Sergh on April 17, 2023, 08:41:32 AM

My opinion about Melnichenko:
- there is no free energy in his devices. Ordinary devices he mystifies as overunity. We did not watch the video of the device functioning without external power sources. Melnichenko does not carry out professional measurements of consumed and produced energy.

About the transformer:
- аny experienced electrician or electronics specialist will tell you how much power such transformers are capable of operating. The transformer is most likely not rewound. Factory white labels and thermal film seem to be present. An ordinary low-frequency transformer on iron plates. Not ferrite, no high frequency.

The transformer has a primary winding wound with a thin wire, let's say 0.5 mm in diameter, and a secondary winding wound with a wire, for example 2 mm. (optimistic). The number of turns for example 1000 and 60. It is physically and geometrically impossible to get anything else from such a transformer, such as 220 volts 0.5 amperes and 12 volts 7 - 8 amperes maximum.

How to get 5 kilowatts from it? This is impossible by magnetic induction on ordinary iron transformer in such dimensions and weight.

To understand the weight and size problems of power generation, I suggest looking at some reviews and testing of portable generators. With a weight of more than 100 lb, of which more than half the weight falls on the electric generator itself, they have difficulty generating even 3 kilowatts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN2HvgB0x7I

Hi Sergh,
Your probably right about transformers, however have a look at Holcombs (HES) development page. It's quite
interesting and informative.

https://holcombenergysystems.com/
Check the technical part- been discussed here and elsewhere in detail.
Regards,
SL

r2fpl · « **Reply #2371 on:** April 17, 2023, 10:00:58 AM »

Quote from: Sergh on April 17, 2023, 08:41:32 AM

How to get 5 kilowatts from it? This is impossible by magnetic induction on ordinary iron transformer in such dimensions and weight.

To understand the weight and size problems of power generation, I suggest looking at some reviews and testing of portable generators. With a weight of more than 100 lb, of which more
than half the weight falls on the electric generator itself, they have difficulty generating even 3 kilowatts.

In the patent it is written often with high frequency. It can't be that transformer. It's just part of item (1) I think.
The fronts that look like the rears are not the same in the drawing in the patent. In the video you can see when he changes the connections
and the return of energy is to the inverter and not to the transformer. However, I do not know this for 100% because the scheme is too simplified if we do not know what is what.

What puzzles me the most is (2) the capacitor! why is it so important that it has been listed as an exact part like the coil.

r2fpl · « **Reply #2372 on:** April 17, 2023, 10:09:16 AM »

Quote from: a.king21 on April 17, 2023, 03:04:07 AM

https://vk.com/id285085326
I am 99% certain that this is Kapanadze's secret.
Below is a comparison of Melnichenko's transformer and Kapanadze's.

These are ordinary spacers in transformers separating the two windings. Of course, maybe the transformer is rewound.
I once had an idea: what if we use two different cores in one transformer and apply two frequencies to each separately? Is it possible that Kapanadze put a ferrite core in the iron core?

pix · « **Reply #2373 on:** April 17, 2023, 01:18:02 PM »

Melnichenko is a very inteesting variation of flyback converter.
In typical flyback:
-magnetic path is closed, no air gaps
-primary (magnetizing coil) is switched on/off, there is no energy harvest from back emf on primary
-primary and secondary are close coupled

In Melnichenko flyback:
-magnetic path is opened, there is a large air gap, secondary is separated from primary
-back emf from primary is captured( blocking diode)
-primary and secondary are loosely coupled,about 10%

In Melnichenko basically weak field from primary coil that is moved away from secondary is magnetizing iron core, and by nonlinear action of core permeability many times stronger magnetic field is created in that iron core. No back EMF is created in secondary during magnetization because of blocking diode- hence no Lenz applies.
Once power to primary is cut , strong magnetic field in the iron core collapses, inducing current in secondary coil wound on that core. Magnetic field from the core permeates surrounding air and only small part of that field influences primary coil.

Magnetic energy is not stored in the closed magnetic core, energy is stored in the air.
Looking at the TMZ company presentation, device is fairy small and reminds a transformer or bigger choke.
Kapanadze 3 KW TMZ Turkey 4 / 4 - YouTube

Cheers,
Pix

r2fpl · « **Reply #2374 on:** April 17, 2023, 01:39:19 PM »

I did some tests like Melnichenko's but I didn't get an increase over 1. Yes there is some energy recovery from the core and something seems to be happening but it's all within the energy input.
If Kapanadze mentions Melnichenko, maybe it's just similar, because many devices can be classified as completely different.
However, one needs to remember that someone also found on Kapanadze's computer a diagram of the Budynny transformer, or more precisely, the fuser on the transformer. The sound of an overloaded transformer is clearly audible in the movies, but nothing can be heard in others.
To get 5kW I find it hard to believe that it can be done with HV. The magnetic field is more real. To feel 2kW, see how an induction cooker works. Typically 80-140kHz varies but 2kW of power can be had on 0.5mm or thinner wire. The device itself is light, very light if I only have electricity from the socket

pix · « **Reply #2375 on:** April 17, 2023, 01:48:14 PM »

Quote from: r2fpl on April 17, 2023, 01:39:19 PM

I did some tests like Melnichenko's but I didn't get an increase over 1. Yes there is some energy recovery from the core and something seems to be happening but it's all within the energy input.
If Kapanadze mentions Melnichenko, maybe it's just similar, because many devices can be classified as completely different.
However, one needs to remember that someone also found on Kapanadze's computer a diagram of the Budynny transformer, or more precisely, the fuser on the transformer. The sound of an overloaded transformer is clearly audible in the movies, but nothing can be heard in others.
To get 5kW I find it hard to believe that it can be done with HV. The magnetic field is more real. To feel 2kW, see how an induction cooker works. Typically 80-140kHz varies but 2kW of power can be had on 0.5mm or thinner wire. The device itself is light, very light if I only have electricity from the socket

Did you had a decent separation between magnetizing coil and secondary coil?
Secondary coil core should have minimum residual magnetisation.
The bigger relative permeability, the better gain effect.
I found that setup most promising and going to test.

a.king21 · « **Reply #2376 on:** April 17, 2023, 02:17:10 PM »

Re transformer size.
We don't know Kapanadze's core composition
EEs keep posting stuff as if we are working at 50 or 60 hz.
I wish they would stop it and look at the effect high frequency has on transformers.
Also, they should refresh their theory on resonance at high voltage and maybe study Oliver Lodge.
Also, study Tesla's hairpin circuit which is a dead short in conventional EE. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqmqQisQVuo
Also, look at Tesla's capacitors in that circuit and try it with 50 or 60hz. (I did!)
At High-frequency the transformer size shrinks. Look at switched-mode power supplies and how the transformer has shrunk as an example.
Also at high frequencies and HV you are dealing with plasma and a massively increased magnetic field. Get yourself a magnetometer
and stop looking at scopes with education designed for 50 or 60 HZ. Then we might make some progress.
Additionally, when you separate L1 and L2 you are dealing with transmission through the air, so a good knowledge of transmission theory would be a good idea especially the effect of quarter-wave antennas.
Conventional Kirkhoff's law and OHMS law do not apply in this research except at the very end of a device when you are plugging in an appliance.
Nor can you use Spice, unless you define new terms based on experimental results.
There is absolutely no substitute from building stuff yourself and seeing how the results differ from theory.
I am just trying to be helpful and trying to stop bad scientific advice.

r2fpl · « **Reply #2377 on:** April 17, 2023, 02:23:21 PM »

Quote from: pix on April 17, 2023, 01:48:14 PM

Did you had a decent separation between magnetizing coil and secondary coil?
Secondary coil core should have minimum residual magnetisation.
The bigger relative permeability, the better gain effect.
I found that setup most promising and going to test.

I made various air gaps. I worked with different cores, different shapes as well. Different voltages and different frequencies.
I'll tell you one thing: the current flows or it doesn't. There's no miraculous setting where I'll get a big kick for even a moment to say I found this moment but I don't know how it happened that now it doesn't work. None of these things.
I don't know what Melnichenko sees there, but he certainly didn't show it clearly.
There is even another explanation for what is happening in the barium ferrite core, that is the NMR process. However, it would require a lot of luck to hit this effect, if it is possible to obtain it at all.

r2fpl · « **Reply #2378 on:** April 17, 2023, 02:28:52 PM »

Quote from: a.king21 on April 17, 2023, 02:17:10 PM

Re transformer size.
We don't know Kapanadze's core composition
EEs keep posting stuff as if we are working at 50 or 60 hz.
I wish they would stop it and look at the effect high frequency has on transformers.
Also, they should refresh their theory on resonance at high voltage and maybe study Oliver Lodge.
Also, study Tesla's hairpin circuit which is a dead short in conventional EE. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqmqQisQVuo
Also, look at Tesla's capacitors in that circuit and try it with 50 or 60hz. (I did!)
At High-frequency the transformer size shrinks. Look at switched-mode power supplies and how the transformer has shrunk as an example.
Also at high frequencies and HV you are dealing with plasma and a massively increased magnetic field. Get yourself a magnetometer
and stop looking at scopes with education designed for 50 or 60 HZ. Then we might make some progress.
Additionally, when you separate L1 and L2 you are dealing with transmission through the air, so a good knowledge of transmission theory would be a good idea especially the effect of quarter-wave antennas.
Conventional Kirkhoff's law and OHMS law do not apply in this research except at the very end of a device when you are plugging in an appliance.
Nor can you use Spice, unless you define new terms based on experimental results.
There is absolutely no substitute from building stuff yourself and seeing how the results differ from theory.
I am just trying to be helpful and trying to stop bad scientific advice.

What would the same look like for 5kW lamp ?

Sergh · « **Reply #2379 on:** April 17, 2023, 02:38:40 PM »

Allow me to present my vision of this Kapanadze device. This is a conceptual model, it is incomplete, inoperable in this form, etc.
There were suggestions about such a device based on the analysis of small amount information from Internet, the dissemination of which Tariel opposed.
The main completely unusual and incomprehensible detail is a quantum gravitational nanostructured pulsed power cell.

Structurally, it can be like a small battery, similar to CR2032 or another this type. By the way, you can try, discharged elements of similar types should respond to impulse of mechanical pressure.
How it supposedly works:
- a small rechargeable power cell with a very large output current of several tens of amperes, but a very short discharge time of 0.001 - 0.005 seconds. It can probably work both independently or with the supply of the necessary chemicals, liquid or gaseous.
I observed a similar mechanism some time ago in experiments with pulsed electrolysis. If a current pulse is applied to the electrolysis cell, then immediately after the pulse, the cell remains charged up to several volts due to the hydrogen remaining on the electrodes.
You can also make a similar experiment by taking any discharged battery and applying a current pulse to it for several seconds with a voltage several times higher than the nominal, after then immediately measuring the voltage on the element.
But in this experiment is no free energy, it is only an explanation of the mechanism.
It is necessary to find a way to produce hydrogen "on demand", as Tariel did in his "Auto on Water".

The mechanical system of the L2 bobbin and the magnets and cells located inside it can probably work independently for a short time due to mechanical resonance, until desynchronization and weakening of the process occurs due to the consumption of the necessary substance. You can see it in this video with 12:35:
https://youtu.be/2oGHuHy-xEc?t=765

r2fpl · « **Reply #2380 on:** April 17, 2023, 04:06:30 PM »

Quote from: Sergh on April 17, 2023, 02:38:40 PM

Allow me to present my vision of this Kapanadze device. This is a conceptual model, it is incomplete, inoperable in this form, etc.
There were suggestions about such a device based on the analysis of small amount information from Internet, the dissemination of which Tariel opposed.
The main completely unusual and incomprehensible detail is a quantum gravitational nanostructured pulsed power cell.
Structurally, it can be like a small battery, similar to CR2032 or another this type. By the way, you can try, discharged elements of similar types should respond to impulse of mechanical pressure.
How it supposedly works:
- a small rechargeable power cell with a very large output current of several tens of amperes, but a very short discharge time of 0.001 - 0.005 seconds. It can probably work both independently or with the supply of the necessary chemicals, liquid or gaseous.
I observed a similar mechanism some time ago in experiments with pulsed electrolysis. If a current pulse is applied to the electrolysis cell, then immediately after the pulse, the cell remains charged up to several volts due to the hydrogen remaining on the electrodes.
You can also make a similar experiment by taking any discharged battery and applying a current pulse to it for several seconds with a voltage several times higher than the nominal, after then immediately measuring the voltage on the element.
But in this experiment is no free energy, it is only an explanation of the mechanism.
It is necessary to find a way to produce hydrogen "on demand", as Tariel did in his "Auto on Water".

The mechanical system of the L2 bobbin and the magnets and cells located inside it can probably work independently for a short time due to mechanical resonance, until desynchronization and weakening of the process occurs due to the consumption of the necessary substance. You can see it in this video with 12:35:
https://youtu.be/2oGHuHy-xEc?t=765

If you spend a lot of time analyzing all the videos and how each device works, you will understand that there is not much in common. I don't want to talk about everything because everyone can see it, but in my opinion it is not possible or rather very unlikely that there is more than one rule! Tariel was definitely cunning and didn't reveal any important information that we would have seen in the film. I will say more, I believe that even one of the films is specially made to mislead people.

In the video from 2004 there is a moment of turning off the device and the sound is unprecedented. It is not a transformer, although it is closest to this sound. I have a sound analysis and there are frequencies around 380-400Hz with modulation around 25-26Hz If sound can tell us anything.
Kapanadze said that it is the switching of the electro-magnet on and off and the impulse gives us what we need. The amount of energy of this impulse is unlimited.

forest · « **Reply #2381 on:** April 17, 2023, 09:44:05 PM »

Still nobody translated 2004 video or any other. How do you know Tariel hide details if you don't know what he said ?

a.king21 · « **Reply #2382 on:** April 17, 2023, 11:25:02 PM »

Quote from: r2fpl on April 17, 2023, 02:23:21 PM

I made various air gaps. I worked with different cores, different shapes as well. Different voltages and different frequencies.
I'll tell you one thing: the current flows or it doesn't. There's no miraculous setting where I'll get a big kick for even a moment to say I found this moment but I don't know how it happened that now it doesn't work. None of these things.
I don't know what Melnichenko sees there, but he certainly didn't show it clearly.
There is even another explanation for what is happening in the barium ferrite core, that is the NMR process. However, it would require a lot of luck to hit this effect, if it is possible to obtain it at all.

Did you use the diodes in the way he tells us? He says that the diodes are very, very important as they negate losses = I speculate maybe negates Lenz?
Clearly, pulsed squarewave with variable duty cycles and frequencies is the experiment to be conducted here.
Also, use a magnetometer and see which frequency/duty cycle combination gives the biggest magnetic field.
Also, use very fast diodes. No two diode types are the same.
He also says that you can keep the transformer together by using ordinary cheap insulation tape.
I hope this helps.

a.king21 · « **Reply #2383 on:** April 17, 2023, 11:41:33 PM »

Quote from: r2fpl on April 17, 2023, 02:28:52 PM

What would the same look like for 5kW lamp ?

I did not assume that he drives the lamps from the transformer.
Clearly, the output comes from the grenade-type coil which has sufficient wire thickness.
However, there is nothing to stop the big coils from receiving energy from the 100-watt transformer, especially if it is in the MHz range[size=78%].[/size]
We really have to think outside the box and think "simple is best".
To quote Elon Musk: "The best component is no component. There is no cost and no possibility of failure.
What can you remove..."
Remember that resonance requires the wires including tail ends to be precise.
What we see in the Kapanadze videos is unbelievable. People with kitchen knives cutting wires to size in front of the cameras.
It is beyond ridiculous because they knew that they had some knowledge that we don't.

a.king21 · « **Reply #2384 on:** April 18, 2023, 12:27:07 AM »

Quote from: Sergh on April 17, 2023, 02:38:40 PM

Allow me to present my vision of this Kapanadze device. This is a conceptual model, it is incomplete, inoperable in this form, etc.
There were suggestions about such a device based on the analysis of small amount information from Internet, the dissemination of which Tariel opposed.
The main completely unusual and incomprehensible detail is a quantum gravitational nanostructured pulsed power cell.
Structurally, it can be like a small battery, similar to CR2032 or another this type. By the way, you can try, discharged elements of similar types should respond to impulse of mechanical pressure.
How it supposedly works:
- a small rechargeable power cell with a very large output current of several tens of amperes, but a very short discharge time of 0.001 - 0.005 seconds. It can probably work both independently or with the supply of the necessary chemicals, liquid or gaseous.
I observed a similar mechanism some time ago in experiments with pulsed electrolysis. If a current pulse is applied to the electrolysis cell, then immediately after the pulse, the cell remains charged up to several volts due to the hydrogen remaining on the electrodes.
You can also make a similar experiment by taking any discharged battery and applying a current pulse to it for several seconds with a voltage several times higher than the nominal, after then immediately measuring the voltage on the element.
But in this experiment is no free energy, it is only an explanation of the mechanism.
It is necessary to find a way to produce hydrogen "on demand", as Tariel did in his "Auto on Water".

The mechanical system of the L2 bobbin and the magnets and cells located inside it can probably work independently for a short time due to mechanical resonance, until desynchronization and weakening of the process occurs due to the consumption of the necessary substance. You can see it in this video with 12:35:
https://youtu.be/2oGHuHy-xEc?t=765

Very interesting observation.
When I was asked by my financial backer to design the specifications for the Aquarium 2 device, I made some specific requirements.
1 No switching: I watched the Aquarium 1 video and saw Kapanadze blow a transistor when switching between various devices. This told me immediately that he was no engineer. It would have been simplicity itself to put easily reachable fuses all over the device to protect the circuitry. I would have done - especially in front of potential investors.
2 The device had to output 2 kilowatts for hours and hours. It did; and worked for 4 and a half hours before it was time to finish the demonstration.
I think that this information rules out your interesting hypothesis.
So let's keep analysing the first video because I believe it gives away the most secrets.
ANOTHER THING: I remember asking Tariel what was his first experience with his discovery. He told me he had a 1 kw incandescent lamp and it ran for a full 6 months. He said that he himself was astonished. He has spent all his subsequent life terrified of someone stealing his discovery. He is clearly tortured and takes to drink to ease the psychological pain.
He told me repeatedly that he tries to think of ways of protecting the secret so it can't be copied, but he obviously lacks the electrical engineering knowledge to do it.
In my opinion, a really talented electrical engineer would understand the principle and be able to hide the discovery inside various circuitry. Let's say it is a transformer that he has doctored: I would make several tiny transformers and put them encased in resin inside resistors, as one way of hiding the invention. Or you can disguise the transformers as chokes for example. No doubt you can think of lots of other ways.
That is why I think the first video holds all the clues we need.

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