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Author Topic: A Solid-State Maxwell Demon  (Read 3578 times)

Offline memoryman

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Re: A Solid-State Maxwell Demon
« Reply #45 on: June 14, 2018, 01:06:27 AM »
"Whatever I saw from FE inventors was never worth killing for. It just did not work and therefore one needs a conspiracy to hide the fact that it is nonsense." Very well said.
Claims are considered FALSE until proven true (null-hypothesis), not the other way around.

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Re: A Solid-State Maxwell Demon
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Re: A Solid-State Maxwell Demon
« Reply #46 on: June 14, 2018, 01:10:47 AM »
The promised critique that explains what the errors are in Dr. D'Abramo's paper “A Note on Solid-State Maxwell Demon” has been published. You can download the pdf from my website for free at:

“Critique of the Paper ‘A Note on Solid-State Maxwell Demon’ by Germano D’Abramo”
by Zoltan Losonc

https://feprinciples.files.wordpress.com/2018/06/fallacies_of_dr_dabramos_critique.pdf
https://feprinciples.wordpress.com/downloads/

If something is unclear, or you find errors in it, then please let me know

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Re: A Solid-State Maxwell Demon
« Reply #47 on: June 14, 2018, 05:40:48 AM »
I am not arguing for or against something, I just want you to think. Like you, I know nothing and I have no proof for anything. But I do not want to stop my brain functioning when I read obvious nonsense.

Nothing is fine on this world. But you do not need a conspiracy to explain stupidity, aggression and greed. This is how people are. Usually everything gets messed up, also conspiracies. So, the biggest argument against conspiracies is that they are too good to be true. Nothing works as well as the conspiracy lovers want it to function.

There are conspiracies, but they are not long term, not over decades. No political system or power structure survives long term. Strategic alliances or financial agreements change rather rapidly. Every situation changes over time, also at universities, in enterprises, in clubs and in clandestines institutions. And today everything is more short lived than ever.

Conspiracy lovers expect too much from the people whom they imagine to organise conspiracies. Conspirators fuck up like everybody else therefore elaborate conspiracies would not work even if they were attempted as the steep stories tell. It is wishful thinking in a strange sense.

Conspiracy theories do not explain the world. Fortunately the world is much more complicated and richer than conspiracy theories make you believe. And the people and even you yourself are much less predictable or governable than conspiracy theories allege.

Everybody dies one day, also FE inventors. Whatever I saw from FE inventors was never worth killing for. It just did not work and therefore one needs a conspiracy to hide the fact that it is nonsense.

Greetings, Conrad

Ok, I see your point. Closing your eyes and saying "I know nothing" makes life much more comfortable.
Regards,-V.


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Re: A Solid-State Maxwell Demon
« Reply #47 on: June 14, 2018, 05:40:48 AM »
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Re: A Solid-State Maxwell Demon
« Reply #48 on: June 14, 2018, 04:06:36 PM »
Ok, I see your point. Closing your eyes and saying "I know nothing" makes life much more comfortable.

I see, you are the one who knows something. You are the man who knows what is really going on. Good, congratulations! Does your knowledge help you?

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: A Solid-State Maxwell Demon
« Reply #49 on: June 14, 2018, 07:27:01 PM »
The promised critique that explains what the errors are in Dr. D'Abramo's paper “A Note on Solid-State Maxwell Demon” has been published. You can download the pdf from my website for free at:

“Critique of the Paper ‘A Note on Solid-State Maxwell Demon’ by Germano D’Abramo”
by Zoltan Losonc

https://feprinciples.files.wordpress.com/2018/06/fallacies_of_dr_dabramos_critique.pdf
https://feprinciples.wordpress.com/downloads/

If something is unclear, or you find errors in it, then please let me know

The only useful thing to do is to build a device according to the promise:
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At least two methods have been designed so far for the extraction of useful work from the device. One of these uses a Linear Electrostatic Motor (LEM)[1, 3, 4], while the other is based on a Hammer and Anvil MEMS device [1, 3, 4, 5]. The basic idea behind these methods is to allow the electrostatic forces in the gap to periodically move objects against mechanical resistance and thus perform useful work.
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Enough words have been written, only a physical proof of principle can settle it.

The argument by the opponents (second law of thermodynamics holds) is very strong, because no physical proof (experiment) has be offered against it (only endless words).

The argument of the "inventor" is very weak, because it is not backed by an experiment. Every hypothesis has to be backed by an experiment. Many experiments prove that the second law of thermodynamics seems to be valid, but no experiment so far has conclusively shown a violation.

Physics only moves forward by help of observable and reproducible experiments, not by words.

The second law of thermodynamics has to be attacked with an experiment and not with words. The "inventor" and his avid followers have to provide a thingummy which can be reproduced. Put away the pencil or keyboard an go to the lab. To put it bluntly: stop blubbering till you have something tangible to show!

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: A Solid-State Maxwell Demon
« Reply #49 on: June 14, 2018, 07:27:01 PM »
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Offline memoryman

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Re: A Solid-State Maxwell Demon
« Reply #50 on: June 14, 2018, 07:34:43 PM »
Conrad, have you watched Dr.Daniel Sheehan's video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBp_SPJAOJc ?
To me that is 'good enough'.

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Re: A Solid-State Maxwell Demon
« Reply #51 on: June 14, 2018, 07:44:55 PM »
Conrad, have you watched Dr.Daniel Sheehan's video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBp_SPJAOJc ?
To me that is 'good enough'.

For me it is not enough. If I had done his presentations, I would have put a thingy on the table which at least makes a LED shine for 45 minutes (the duration of his presentation) with his new power source (heat from the environment).

Without that we get just hot air from his body cavities. I can do hot air by myself without Mr. Sheehan.

Mr. Sheehan is a very smooth talker, but even the smoothest talk will not overcome the second law of thermodynamics.

Science is not about believe, it is about conclusive experiments. If you like believe, fine, go to the church, you will be rewarded endlessly. But there will be no power generation, just power consumption.

Every scientific theory will be changed or abandoned the moment a physical experiment (not a thought experiment) disproves it. But without experiment, no change. Every good scientist considers theories to be temporary figments of thought till new ones have to be written based on experiments.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: A Solid-State Maxwell Demon
« Reply #51 on: June 14, 2018, 07:44:55 PM »
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Re: A Solid-State Maxwell Demon
« Reply #52 on: June 14, 2018, 07:50:41 PM »
His device (it was actually built) was to prove the concept; NOT a practical device.
LoT2 is statistical law, not an absolute law. A statistical law does not apply to individual particles.

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Re: A Solid-State Maxwell Demon
« Reply #53 on: June 14, 2018, 08:14:22 PM »
His device (it was actually built) was to prove the concept; NOT a practical device.
LoT2 is statistical law, not an absolute law. A statistical law does not apply to individual particles.


Fine, for you it is enough proof, for me not. And it does not matter what I believe. May be it also does not matter what you believe? I can not build such a device therefore I have no more interest in it. I will resume thinking about it after a device is available which produces at least 10 mA permanently. Everybody can measure 10 mA without resorting to statistics.


Greetings, Conrad

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Re: A Solid-State Maxwell Demon
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Re: A Solid-State Maxwell Demon
« Reply #54 on: June 15, 2018, 12:38:02 PM »
The promised critique that explains what the errors are in Dr. D'Abramo's paper “A Note on Solid-State Maxwell Demon” has been published. You can download the pdf from my website for free at:

“Critique of the Paper ‘A Note on Solid-State Maxwell Demon’ by Germano D’Abramo”
by Zoltan Losonc

https://feprinciples.files.wordpress.com/2018/06/fallacies_of_dr_dabramos_critique.pdf
https://feprinciples.wordpress.com/downloads/

If something is unclear, or you find errors in it, then please let me know

Zoltan thank you for the explanations in your paper.
My confusion that Germano has created is gone now. I have a hard time to believe that a famous physicist with a PhD in physics could get all that so much wrong. I mean, I don't believe that he wrote all that in ignorance and he didn't know what you have explained. It is just not possible. It must have been a deliberate intent to deceive. Looking at the list of refuted debunkers on this thread (mainly from Quora) with PhDs in competent subjects, it is clear that there is a conspiracy to suppress this invention.

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Re: A Solid-State Maxwell Demon
« Reply #55 on: June 15, 2018, 12:47:04 PM »
Put away the pencil or keyboard an go to the lab. To put it bluntly: stop blubbering till you have something tangible to show!

conrad,  ::) to put it bluntly: you are a jerk!  Oh, wait... this is not news anymore, others have also said that already  ;D

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Re: A Solid-State Maxwell Demon
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Re: A Solid-State Maxwell Demon
« Reply #56 on: June 15, 2018, 01:10:13 PM »
conrad,  ::) to put it bluntly: you are a jerk!  Oh, wait... this is not news anymore, others have also said that already  ;D

What I am is not important. Who cares?

The important fact is that not a single FE or OU or whatever "science is not right" claim made in this forum in the last ten years (may be even longer) has been verified.

Oh, yes, it is a conspiracy, I know.

It is not a problem that some people like to make steep claims, but the avid consumers of these strange claims should be more careful and thoughtful. Also logic and the ability to read something with understanding might help.

Whenever I remind people that words are cheap and conclusive experiments are necessary and difficult, they become offended. If you have nothing to show besides words your position is weak. Being offended is not the cure. Also calling me a jerk does not constitute a conclusive experiment.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: A Solid-State Maxwell Demon
« Reply #57 on: June 15, 2018, 04:17:11 PM »
What I am is not important. Who cares?

The important fact is that not a single FE or OU or whatever "science is not right" claim made in this forum in the last ten years (may be even longer) has been verified.

Oh, yes, it is a conspiracy, I know.

It is not a problem that some people like to make steep claims, but the avid consumers of these strange claims should be more careful and thoughtful. Also logic and the ability to read something with understanding might help.

Whenever I remind people that words are cheap and conclusive experiments are necessary and difficult, they become offended. If you have nothing to show besides words your position is weak. Being offended is not the cure. Also calling me a jerk does not constitute a conclusive experiment.

Greetings, Conrad
Conrad,
there are a lot of junk on this forum (and other FE forums) but that is not a reason to say that FE not possible.

What is your classification of following information? Is it unpractical and so should not be considered ?

http://www.wired.co.uk/article/230-percent-efficient-leds
https://inhabitat.com/mit-researchers-create-led-light-that-exceeds-100-percent-efficiency/

-V.


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Re: A Solid-State Maxwell Demon
« Reply #58 on: June 15, 2018, 04:33:34 PM »
It is NOT an OU led; this is what happens when you look at headlines.

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Re: A Solid-State Maxwell Demon
« Reply #59 on: June 15, 2018, 04:47:24 PM »
It is NOT an OU led; this is what happens when you look at headlines.
Well, more energy out than in, rest of the energy from surrounding heat. What else you need to call it OU ?

 

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