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Title: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: mak27 on April 14, 2018, 05:55:13 PM
Hi folks I have been working on this little project for over two years and thought it was time to share the results

I thought what if you placed a kind of electron resevoir close to batteries so they would not have to work so hard

to pull electrons out of the surrounding air. so I placed a steel bar under the batteries and then placed two powerfull

neo magnets on top of the batteries, to pull the electrons from the steel into the batteries. Here is a list of the parts

two 1.2 volt 2200mha  AA harbour freight batteries

two 1/4X1/2X3/4  N42 neo magnets  force through the 1/4 surface

5 leds from a harbour freight headlite ( the kind you strap on your head)

Anyway I am running on a bit, but long story short , I turned it on to see how long it would run and edded up getting

13months 4 days and 2hrs of nonstop light out of it here are some pictures if anyone wants to replicate it
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: stiplanet on April 17, 2018, 05:36:59 PM
Good job Mak27 do you try with lithium battery?
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: mak27 on April 17, 2018, 06:04:43 PM
@ stiplanet: I did not try with lithium batteries, dont know how they would respond, however I am now trying an experiment with laminated copper

plates and a steel bar and so far it looks very promising. the batteries just keep working away without loosing any voltage month after month
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: profitis on April 17, 2018, 06:28:50 PM
'if you end up with a NiMh cell that is showing 0
volts resting, the cell is damaged. In an over
discharged state, the electrodes inside the cell
corrode. This results in impurities contaminating
the electrolyte, and a loss of active electrode
material. The cell is damaged. The longer the cell sits in this over discharged condition, the more
damage is done.'
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: stiplanet on April 17, 2018, 11:55:20 PM
I will be interested to try also if you make a schema and  if i can get some informations, tell me why this solution can not work on lead acid battery? thank you
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: norman6538 on April 18, 2018, 02:00:35 AM
Looks good but....
But how long will they light with no mags???

or how many milliamps do the  leds require
and how many milliamps do the batteries contain?

Its all about measurement and comaprrison new vs old.

Norman
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: mak27 on April 18, 2018, 02:41:16 AM
Hi Norman: before I took that headlight apart to use the 5 leds in my experiment, I had accidently left it on a few times, at which time it had duracell batteries in it.

And I know it wasnt more than two or three days when I went to use it again that it was completely dead. Have you ever left a flashlight on by accident? then you know what I

mean. But you are correct I am not doing the experiment correctly. I just thought  13 months of continous light was pretty decent out put. I never shut it off!!!!

I have never had a flashlight do that before
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: mak27 on April 18, 2018, 02:46:35 AM
@ stiplant: I will try to do a drawing for you, the only batteries I have tried this on, are the ones in the picture. as far as lead acid batteries go I think they are to wide for

the magnetic attraction, but I suppose it would be worth a try
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: conradelektro on April 18, 2018, 11:18:06 PM
@mak27

What a feeble attempt. I use a big holding magnet and a 12 V battery. And I am driving my electric bike since two months with it. No recharging of course.

I do not divulge more details, because I am planning to go into business with that discovery.

One detail for free: a steel sheet is enough, no heavy steel bar to be lugged along.

If you do something, do it right! And who needs a few leds?

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: mak27 on April 18, 2018, 11:56:53 PM
Hey conrad, why not stick that magnet up your ass and see if your eyes light up, I bet they would!!!

and then you could make a you-tube video of it for entertainment, I think everyone here would love to see it

what a tool!!
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: conradelektro on April 19, 2018, 03:34:57 PM
@mak27:

To pull electrons out of steel you have to be a real sucker who sucks extraordinary hard.

Since you suck already for two years, you must be a true sucker.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sucker (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sucker)

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: mak27 on April 19, 2018, 06:07:38 PM
Well I think its better to be a sucker than a blowhard,besides belittling others what have you accomplished  lately? solved the overunity problem all by yourself.

your nothing but a cowardly  hiding behind the internet, taking jabs at people!!
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: conradelektro on April 19, 2018, 08:04:44 PM
@mak27:

I have accomplished a bit more than you as I described here: http://overunity.com/17682/getting-more-energy-out-of-aa-and-aaa-batteries/msg520070/#msg520070 (http://overunity.com/17682/getting-more-energy-out-of-aa-and-aaa-batteries/msg520070/#msg520070)

Why is it, that you do not believe my accomplishment?

If you know why you do not believe my claim, you automatically know why I do not believe your claim.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: mak27 on April 19, 2018, 09:23:30 PM
like I said, you are a coward and a blowhard, hiding behind the internet to take potshots at people who have done absolutely nothing to you

someday you will say the wrong thing to someone and they will find you
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: stiplanet on April 20, 2018, 01:28:26 AM
hello MAK27 i think it can work on lithium too ,i need your schemas to try i have lithium battery to try thank.
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: mak27 on April 20, 2018, 02:32:11 AM
Stiplant here is a crude sketch
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: stiplanet on April 21, 2018, 12:37:20 AM
hello MAK27 thank for schemas  but i can not read the words because the resolution of your file is not good  please if can get otehr with good resolution thank
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: tak22 on April 21, 2018, 05:03:22 PM
Hey mak27, sorry to see you receive such an obnoxious welcome to the forum.  :( 


You can learn from your first heckler and ignore the next one.[/size]


Your findings are interesting and there will be many that try it for themselves.



Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: mak27 on April 21, 2018, 08:43:24 PM
Hi Stiplant I sent you a PM and a written description on how to accomplish this, but you must remember I did not use lithium batteries
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: mak27 on April 21, 2018, 08:50:09 PM
Hi TAK22; I still have no Idea why he attacked me like that, its like your walking down the street and someone you dont even know runs

up to you and for no apparent reason hits you in the side of the face, all I did was post something that I thought would be interesting to

the other members here, I am not asking for money or trying to sell plans. Its just the way the world is these days I guess, Too bad!
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: conradelektro on April 22, 2018, 10:51:01 AM
all I did was post something that I thought would be interesting to the other members here,

@mak27:

This is not the only thing you did. You wrote in your first post:

"13months 4 days and 2hrs of nonstop light out of it"

And this is the unbelievable part which I countered with an equally unbelievable claim.

If you write silly claims you have to be prepared to get silly answers.

So, stop the nonsense, you started it. Your claim is a slap in the face of every sane person. You slapped first out of the blue.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: lancaIV on April 22, 2018, 01:07:34 PM
"Hello mak27 !" to your entry to the forum and "hey Conrad !"

                            13 months and 4 days and and 2 hours = 9594,5 hours / 400 days

                            2 batteries á 2200 mA/1,2 Volt
                             
                            5 X white LEDs  using the below technical numbers
                                             3,5V 10-20 mA bright light consume

             https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/threads/voltage-and-current-of-a-white-led.118486/ (https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/threads/voltage-and-current-of-a-white-led.118486/)
https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/blog/leds-555s-pwm-flashers-and-light-chasers-index.378/ (https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/blog/leds-555s-pwm-flashers-and-light-chasers-index.378/)

             The "unbelieve-ability" is inside the question and measurement  and calculation :
                             LED light brigthness/intensivity/consume per hour ?

                            2200 mA x 2 ea. x 1,2 V = 5280 mVAh
                            5280 mVAh / 9594,5 h = 0,55 mVA / 5 LEDs =

                           claimed consume :  0,11 mVA per white LED and hour             
 
                           versus  :
                                                        35 mVA up to 70 mVA per white LED bright light and hour 

                           
                           Your claim is like to have developed a magnetic battery recharge device !

                           
       5 LEDs x 17,5 mVA(from 3,5V and 5 mA useable light output) x 9594,5 hours  =                                                           839518 mVAh
       the 2 batteries are total rated (without memory effect lost et cet.):     
                                          5280 mVAh

                                        159 x capacity recharge cycles

     Sincerely
                  OCWL                                                             
                                                         
p.s.: application possibility of your claimed "fenomen" :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citedDocuments?CC=WO&NR=2013075804A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=7&date=20130530&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citedDocuments?CC=WO&NR=2013075804A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=7&date=20130530&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: mak27 on April 22, 2018, 02:49:46 PM
The experiment is so simple a child could replicate it, and yet you refuse to even consider it I stand by my statement

because it is true, I guess you own stock in duracell and this threatens you in some way or another. This experiment would cost

less than two visits to starbucks, so go ahead take a chance, you probably already have all the parts needed. The truth will set you free.

I was looking at your  POST HISTORY it seems you do a lot of this sort of thing, attack people for no good reason.
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: conradelektro on April 22, 2018, 05:57:46 PM
The experiment is so simple a child could replicate it, and yet you refuse to even consider it I stand by my statement

because it is true, I guess you own stock in duracell and this threatens you in some way or another. This experiment would cost

less than two visits to starbucks, so go ahead take a chance, you probably already have all the parts needed. The truth will set you free.

I was looking at your  POST HISTORY it seems you do a lot of this sort of thing, attack people for no good reason.

I do not attack silly, outrageous and fraudulent claims, I question this nonsense. And always these people do not provide proof, they cry "I am attacked" instead.

You will not find one post from me which "attacked" without reason. Everything I "attacked" was always proved to be unreasonable in the end. The simple proof lies in the fact that not a single OU device was ever described here, which turned out to be true. But I only "attacked" the most obvious nonsense, never the "difficult" cases which needed lengthy analysis before clarity could be achieved.

Unfortunately many unreasonable, deluded and fraudulent people come forward in this forum. Hence, many "attacks" from me.

I like strange experiments, but I do not like obvious nonsense and fraud.

I leave mak27 to his devices and will not post in this thread again. Thinking readers will be able to judge by themselves.


Poster lancaIV was kind enough to do the calculation, which is the simple truth. But mak27 does not deserve such kindness.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: lancaIV on April 22, 2018, 06:39:06 PM
              „Jeder dumme Junge kann einen Käfer zertreten.
               Aber alle Professoren der Welt können keinen herstellen"

Conrad, let us Schopenhauer and his wisdom greeting ! 1.step,2. ....,3. ....

Why shall this device not work  -probably only partial- like an ambient energy harvester ?
                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_harvesting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_harvesting)
Instead solar cells using LED technology ? Light Transformating Diods (Alwin Mark technology)

the LEDs : seriell or parallel connection ?
the batteries,+/+ and -/- or +/- and -/+
the magnet positve and negative pole related to the batteries ?

                                 IT is ,
                       like demonstrated, electronically a closed circuit 
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: NerzhDishual on April 23, 2018, 08:54:47 PM
@Mak27

Simple. Worth to be tried, IMO.

Usually, Joules Thieves use only one AA bat.
What would you suggest for one single bat?

Thanks,
Jean
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: mak27 on April 24, 2018, 01:52:39 AM
Jean Thank you your drawing is exactly how I have it set up, however I did not try it with one battery. so I dont know how that would turn out

I believe what is happening, is that once the circuit is closed and the current starts flowing through the leds, the magnets are pulling the extra electrons from the steel

the specific gravity of air is approx..0765 per cubic foot, while steel is490 lbs per cubic foot. that is 6,405 times greater  for steel. while copper is

7,085 times greater
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: mak27 on April 24, 2018, 02:02:27 AM
@ LancaIV the drawing that  Jean did is exactly how I have it setup, I do not know the milliamp draw of the LEDs. At first I monitered the voltage every day the first week it dropped .14 volts, and then it flatlined at 2.58 volts when i saw no difference day after day I started checking once a week and then once a month. at the 12th month it started dropping off in voltage  about .01 per week the last two weeks I could tell if the lights were on    only if it was very dark in the room
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: mak27 on April 24, 2018, 02:12:11 AM
I would also like to add, How can this be considered fraudulent, when I am not asking for money, I am not trying to sell anything. Its just a simple experiment

that I thought would be interesting to share, I thought thats what this forum was for???? sharing Ideas, what do you have to loose hook one up if you dont believe me

and see how long it lasts, and hook up  another one without the magnets. I know that some LEDs consume more current than others, so that would be a factor!
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: lancaIV on April 24, 2018, 02:37:16 AM
Hello mak27,
the given white LEDs technical numbers are to understand as "physical idea" for comparision,
instead 3,5 V and the different mA current values -light intensivity dependant- each one can dimming
this values for personal interests !

Lightning of white LEDs by 3,5V tension begins with 1 mA current :
3,5 mVA x 9600 h = 33600 mVAh
                                5280 mVAh battery capacity
 
Using this minimum shows that your device work(-ed)/-s mimimal with a C.O.P. >6
up to the calculated  "159 recharge cycles".

                                          Good result for the beginning

btw,my personal view:          not electrons but "Coulumb"

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebgymhollabrunn.ac.at%2Fipin%2Fph-quir.htm&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebgymhollabrunn.ac.at%2Fipin%2Fph-quir.htm&edit-text=)

Sincerely
             OCWL

p.s.: do not be worry about "unfriendly behaviour" from some(any?) members, after own experiments each of us is later wiser (or not !)

a battery capacity prolongation concept with solarcells :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=DE&NR=29520064U1&KC=U1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19960201&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=DE&NR=29520064U1&KC=U1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19960201&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#)

instead solarcells :
http://www.instructables.com/id/Make-a-Solar-Panel-using-Diodes/ (http://www.instructables.com/id/Make-a-Solar-Panel-using-Diodes/)
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=526xslmO6Ds (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=526xslmO6Ds)

what you are doing is like this- but 24/365 - and an artificial solar ambient
http://www.instructables.com/id/Simple-Solar-Circuits/

effect: simple capacity reconditioning circuit
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: itsu on April 24, 2018, 03:55:56 PM

2 days ago i setup these 2 sets of 2x 2000mAH NiMh rechargeables in series, one set with magnets on top and a steel plate below them, and
a control set without any magnets or steel plate, see picture.

They are loaded with identical 5x paralleled leds which are barely glowing.

Starting voltage on the magnet powered batteries was 2.5V, and 2.514V for the control set,
now after 2 days 2.468V for the magnets powered batteries, and 2.505V for the control set.

Measuring the current via 4 different ways shows 4 different outcomes, so probably to low for proper measurements with the equipment i have.

Using my AC/DC current probe and my scope shows 0.9mA,
using a 1 Ohm precision resistor (csr) in the return line shows a noisy 4mA rms,
using my Fluke DMM at the 400mA DC range setting shows a steady 0.1mA,
using my Voltcraft analoge meter at the 5mA DC range setting shows almost no deviation, so probably also about 0.1mA.

Guess the meters show them best, so around 0.1mA.

I will leave the both sets running and monitor the voltage now and then to see what is going to happen.


Regards Itsu
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: conradelektro on April 25, 2018, 10:46:29 AM

@itsu: if a circuit uses 0.1 mA it will run 20.000 hours with a 2000 mAh battery. This leads to 20.000/24 = 833 days. Considering the slow self-discharge of the 2000 mAh accumulator, it might well run a bit more than a year. And it is questionable that this has anything to do with the magnets and the steel plate.

Your test will run for a very long time and will mainly test the rate of self discharge of the two accumulators. Therefore I suggest you use red LEDs which will light up at 2.4 Volt and will consume some milliamperes. One might even need a resitor of 100 Ohm for each red LED if the red LED has a forward voltage of 1.9 Volt and 5 mA is the desired current per LED.

We want to know whether the magnet has an influence in a convenient time span. And this alleged influence should not depend on the type of LED used. (While the type of  LED used, e.g. a white LED with a forward voltage of 3.2 Volt, has a strong influence on the current consumed by this circuit.)

It is well known that a white LED can glimmer (not shine) with a very low current (e.g. 0,1 mA) and at a lower voltage than its forward voltage.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: itsu on April 25, 2018, 11:18:54 AM
Hi Conrad,

thanks for your reaction.

you are right, it would take ages for those leds to turn off.

Today measurement gave 2.485V on the magnet powered leds, and 2.502V on the control, so it seems the magnet powered batteries recovered somewhat.


But i changed to red leds to speed up the process.

Without any resistor, the 5 paralleled red leds were very bright, got warm and pulled about 136mA, so i dimmed them to about 4mA by using a 180 Ohm
resistor in the supply line.

Measurements show:

magnet powered batteries 1.751V @ 3.8mA
control batteries               1.743V @ 3.9mA.


I expect the batteries voltage will climb the next days due to being drained (136mA) earlier, so will wait to they stabilize and remeasure.

By the way, the voltage measurement is across the leds, so not including the voltage drop across the 180 Ohm limiting resistor (180 x 0.0038 = 0.68V)


Itsu
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: Belfior on April 25, 2018, 12:14:22 PM
Hi Conrad,

thanks for your reaction.

you are right, it would take ages for those leds to turn off.

Today measurement gave 2.485V on the magnet powered leds, and 2.502V on the control, so it seems the magnet powered batteries recovered somewhat.


But i changed to red leds to speed up the process.

Without any resistor, the 5 paralleled red leds were very bright, got warm and pulled about 136mA, so i dimmed them to about 4mA by using a 180 Ohm
resistor in the supply line.

Measurements show:

magnet powered batteries 1.751V @ 3.8mA
control batteries        1.743V @ 3.9mA.


I expect the batteries voltage will climb the next days due to being drained (136mA) earlier, so will wait to they stabilize and remeasure.

By the way, the voltage measurement is across the leds, so not including the voltage drop across the 180 Ohm limiting resistor (180 x 0.0038 = 0.68V)


Itsu

Just a small question about amperage. Would you say that amps tells you how much a circuit is transforming electrical energy to another form? People always say that Tesla coils can't output any power, because the output amperage is so low. I would argue that the machine is just efficient and the amps is a need that the load will introduce. If the load wants to transform X amount of amps into heat or light and the tesla coil will not provide this, then the load is "not powered". Then if you got a Gerard Morin type of generator&motor that will mostly just use voltage (very low losses) then you can easily power that with a tesla coil.

You can get the same amount of Lux from an LED with low amps and with a regular light bulb with high amps. This does not mean the PSU is more powerful, but the LED wastes less power into heat right?

Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: itsu on April 25, 2018, 12:47:48 PM

Right!   :)
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: Belfior on April 25, 2018, 01:17:56 PM
Right!   :)

I guess I just learned more today about electricity than studying for 5 years...
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: conradelektro on April 25, 2018, 01:45:52 PM
But i changed to red leds to speed up the process.

Without any resistor, the 5 paralleled red leds were very bright, got warm and pulled about 136mA, so i dimmed them to about 4mA by using a 180 Ohm
resistor in the supply line.

Itsu

@Itsu:

I do not want to play the clever one, but one needs a 180 Ohm resistor for each and every red LED because no LED is exactly like the other and with only one 180 Ohm resisteor in the supply line they will shine with slightly different brightness. And the current draw will be greater with four resistors.

Four 180 Ohm resistors in prallel act like one 45 Ohm resistor http://www.1728.org/resistrs.htm . So the draw will be about 16 mA.

With a draw of 4 mA the test will last about 21 days (2000/4/24 = ~ 21), with 16 mA it will be about 5 to 6 days.

Thank you for doing the test, I can't wait to hear the result. I only have disk magnets and I would have to buy four somehow identical NiMH accumulators. The costs (magnets + accumulators) would be about 30.-- Euros which I do not want to invest in magnet-steel-power.

About LEDs http://dangerousprototypes.com/docs/Basic_Light_Emitting_Diode_guide :

"Connecting multiple LEDs in parallel is usually a bad idea. Even LEDs of the same production series have slightly different forward voltage to forward current ratios. Some LEDs will draw more current, and some less. This leads to differences in brightness between the LEDs that could reduce the useful life."

You probably know all this, Conrad
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: itsu on April 25, 2018, 05:31:10 PM

Conrad,

i would like to stay as close to the original setup, meaning 5 leds in parallel, so i toke only 1 resistor in the supply line.
The 5 leds are indeed shining with slightly different brightnesses, but i don't think it matters here.

I expect to see within a few weeks the result you and i expect to see, but untill then we will have to sit it out.

After a few hours stabilizing, the voltages are:
Magnet powered 1.753V
control               1.745V      at the leds.


Itsu
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: conradelektro on April 25, 2018, 10:29:40 PM
i would like to stay as close to the original setup, meaning 5 leds in parallel, so i toke only 1 resistor in the supply line.
The 5 leds are indeed shining with slightly different brightnesses, but i don't think it matters here.

I expect to see within a few weeks the result you and i expect to see, but untill then we will have to sit it out.

Ok, I get it.

As these things go, one could always argue that the magic ("electron pulling from steel by magnet") only happens slowly. Any "fast depletion test" would kill the magic. This is the age old problem that it is often impossible to disprove some claim. Any way, a 21 day test might be better than a 5 day test.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: itsu on April 28, 2018, 02:36:32 PM

After 3 days:

Magnet powered  1.674V
control                1.714V      at the leds.


Itsu
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: itsu on April 30, 2018, 12:48:18 PM

Hmmm,  After  again 2 days:

Magnet powered  1.653V
control                1.642V      at the leds.

Itsu
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: itsu on May 02, 2018, 08:50:48 PM

After  again 2 days:

Magnet powered  1.636V
control                1.620V      at the leds.

Itsu
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: RoliK on May 03, 2018, 12:14:15 AM
Thxs for update, RoliK
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: itsu on May 05, 2018, 01:21:16 PM

After 3 days:

Magnet powered  1.623V
control                1.603V      at the leds.

Itsu
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: itsu on May 09, 2018, 08:42:22 PM


After 4 days:

Magnet powered  1.605V
control                1.571V      at the leds.

Itsu
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: tak22 on May 10, 2018, 09:53:00 PM

Control battery change over 14 days is 1.745v - 1.571v = 0.174v, which is a drop of 9.97%
Magnet battery change over 14 days is 1.753v - 1.605v = 0.148v, which is a drop of 8.44%


Overall the batteries with magnets have dropped 1.53% less than the control.
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: itsu on May 10, 2018, 10:10:01 PM

Thanks Tak,

i was planning to do something similar in about 1 week (3 weeks runtime).

As we have some variables like different leds etc. i am planning to recharge the batteries then, swap them over and redo the same test for again 3 weeks.


Itsu
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: itsu on May 13, 2018, 11:34:46 AM

After 4 days:

Magnet powered  1.593V
control                1.557V      at the leds.

Itsu
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: itsu on May 16, 2018, 10:52:41 AM

After another 3 days and totaling 3 weeks:

Magnet powered  1.587V
control                 1.225V      at the leds.


Guess the control batteries are drained

I will be freshly charge all batteries and swap them over so they load the other leds they did before and rerun the test for again 3 weeks.

Itsu
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: itsu on May 17, 2018, 09:56:29 AM

Freshly charged all batteries.

The magnet powered batteries are now loaded by the former 5 control leds, now at 1.764V (at the leds)
The control batteries are now loaded by the former 5 magnet powered leds, now at 1.772V (at the leds).

Will leave it running again for 3 weeks.


Itsu
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: itsu on May 19, 2018, 08:54:26 PM

After 2 days:

Magnet powered  1.760V
control                 1.768V      at the leds.

Itsu
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: itsu on May 24, 2018, 05:13:28 PM

After 5 days:

Magnet powered  1.745V
control                 1.754V      at the leds.

Itsu

Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: itsu on May 26, 2018, 12:00:12 PM

After 2 days:

Magnet powered  1.743V
control                 1.752V      at the leds.

Itsu
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: itsu on May 28, 2018, 09:17:40 PM

After 2 days:

Magnet powered  1.737V
control                 1.746V      at the leds.

Itsu
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: itsu on May 31, 2018, 08:44:17 PM

After 3 days:

Magnet powered  1.687V
control                 1.673V      at the leds.

Itsu
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: itsu on June 02, 2018, 06:42:58 PM

After 2 days:

Magnet powered  1.636V
control                 1.654V      at the leds.

Itsu
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: itsu on June 04, 2018, 08:38:42 PM

After 2 days:

Magnet powered  1.615V
control                 1.637V      at the leds.

Itsu
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: itsu on June 07, 2018, 11:05:59 AM

After 3 days (makes it 3 weeks):

Magnet powered  1.605V
control                 1.624V      at the leds.


So i think we call this busted, see the load graphs below.

First graph one was with a set of batteries charged more then 1 year ago.


Second graph was with freshly charged battery sets and swapped load (leds + 180 Ohm series resistor).

There is very little deviation, a little strange is the "swaps" around 1.7V, but i guess that can be due to the
condition of one of the "battery powered" batteries.

No extraordinary power by the "magnet powered" batteries was seen.


Regards Itsu
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: mak27 on June 14, 2018, 02:16:37 PM
I believe the experiment would have turned out differently, Itsu if you had used a real piece of steel under the magnets instead of  athin piece of sheet metal ( and an L shaped one at that) So different batteries, different LEDs, different steel equal different results!!!
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: itsu on June 14, 2018, 03:21:42 PM

Now you tell me!

Itsu
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: conradelektro on June 14, 2018, 04:00:35 PM
I believe the experiment would have turned out differently, Itsu if you had used a real piece of steel under the magnets instead of  athin piece of sheet metal ( and an L shaped one at that) So different batteries, different LEDs, different steel equal different results!!!

The burden of proof is with you. The one who claims something has to prove it. And the proof presented by you at the beginning of this thread is very weak.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)#Proving_a_negative (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)#Proving_a_negative)

Itsu could do millions of tests showing that there is no effect. But one can always claim that he did something wrong. But what he did is very strong evidence that there is nothing useful.

Therefore the only way forward (according to logic) is that the person who claims something provides the proof. Disproving something by anybody else is almost impossible and usually useless (see the above link about "proving a negative" and try to understand the logic behind it).

So, where do we stand:

- Very weak evidence from you.
- Very strong evidence from Itsu.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: mak27 on June 14, 2018, 06:58:28 PM
 Yes lets replicate an experiment and then change all the ingrediants and parameters and be happy with the out come

extreme BIAS anyone?
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: conradelektro on June 14, 2018, 08:38:01 PM
Yes lets replicate an experiment and then change all the ingrediants and parameters and be happy with the out come

extreme BIAS anyone?

You are sharing the destiny of most inventors. They are misunderstood, not appreciated and experience enormous bias against them.

Most of the time inventors are simply ignored or rudely overlooked. Find solace in the development that nowadays inventors are not chased out of town. The worst that can happen is that you are forcefully transported into a psychiatric ward. And there they only give you pills or shots. After a while you might be set free again. But that only happens if you defend your invention too vigorously.

I suggest you improve your device secretly and quietly. Once it produces some milliwatts you seek the attention of the public once more. Your success will be phenomenal, you will make millions and people will love you. But for now the time is not ripe for such rewards.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on June 14, 2018, 11:28:38 PM
Hi mak27, thanks for sharing your work, conradelektro is not speaking for me, that is for sure.
I'm working on another project at the moment, though i will look at what you have shared more closely and maybe try and replicate your results soon.
You seem passionate about your results, so the sane thing to do, is to respect your opinion on your results.
And humanity has been ready for a long time now, for excess energy devices, despite the few that don't wish it to happen, it will happen, that i can assure everyone of.
The domination and lack narrative will only be allowed for so long.
peace love light
Title: Re: getting more energy out of AA and AAA batteries
Post by: mak27 on June 15, 2018, 02:25:32 PM
Hi Skywatcher: Thanks for that, the really funny thing is that on page three reply 31 he admits I was right. By his own admission it should be able to run  for 833 days.

and then he says thats a bit more than a year. I guess he suffers from very bad math skills :D