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Author Topic: First Newman machine - Big Back Current Spikes lighting up Incandescent bulbs  (Read 2613 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Hi All,
I wanted to present again some more technical inside views for those who replicate the Newman machines...

Especially to Russ Griess, who is currently doing a real amazing job by replicating the second Newman machine
and trying to fully understand each part of the machine in detail.

As the smaller Newman machines have much less coil capacitance, the Back Current spikes with them
don´t have so much energy in them and are much smaller, so I will show it on Newman´s first big machine,
that was shown at a press conference in Capitol Center ,
Landover Maryland
to the public.

Watch this movie here from Minute 29:10:
https://youtu.be/CrJIzrmX1mI?t=29m10s

There you see his first big machine on the stage and he had in series with the battery several incandescent light bulbs,
that lighted only up, when the commutator switched or the current was reversed via the commutator and the big spark
jumped between the graphite commutator and the copper commutator ring.
See:
https://youtu.be/CrJIzrmX1mI?t=29m55s
Unfortunately only seen for a few seconds in this movie...

So you can also see the scope shots there :

https://youtu.be/CrJIzrmX1mI?t=30m
and the next few seconds, showing the input current over time i(t)
and you only can see the big back current spike, like a triangle below the zero line
at this scale of the scope...

The small input current is almost not visible at this setting...

These triangle like big back current spikes which flow back to the batteries then
light up these incandescant lamps there.

The small input current during the other time does not
light them up !

So you can see, that really more energy is coming out of the machine than you put in...

Also you get the mechanical output power of the magnet rotor out too for free then.

I hope this helps and will also help Russ to further research his machine in this area...

The graphite and copper is really needed at the mechnaical commutator and in my
view it is a direct conversion of carbon via this sparking into additional energy. so
you just oxidize the carbon graphite brush via the spark and this way additional energy
comes into the circuit and lights up these incandescent light bulbs.

Think of it like an additional galvanic cell, where the copper and the graphite
are the dissimular metals and the spark is the electrolyte, so you have a battery
effect putting free electrons into the Newman circuit and lighting up the light bulbs...

I hope this helps.

Regards, Stefan.



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Offline hartiberlin

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Russ, you might add some 100 nF or 1 uF capacitors to taps of your coil in parallel,
so you will have really a few LC tanks in series.
This will help get a better and bigger "stray capacitance" of the coil and you will
have a larger back current spike this way, without needing to build such a huge machine
what Newman had....

I guess this way, we could also scale this machine way down and use less
wire, so to have optimized LC tanks in series which are switched by the
mechanical commutator with the graphite copper segments as an additional  galvanic
cell...

Hope this helps.

Regards, Stefan.

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About 30 years ago I was using a small ac motor and was turning it on and off.
Everything went fine except occasionally when I was turning off, it generated
 a huge energy spike which was melting the switch, and when I used relays - was melting
relays + all the traces on a PC board.
The power was really remarkable, like a micro nuclear explosion.
I started using a bucking arrangement with varistors, and even they would sometimes blow up!
Perhaps this is the same effect.

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Offline hartiberlin

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@telecom,
yes, that could really be the case...

Well Russ answered:

 Thanks Stefan.

I have read everything i could find. I also have tested most all the configurations that i can think of.

However,  i have not seen the results shown on those scope shots.

It feels there is a few key things that have to be in place.
I will rethink and re visit some of thses things.

From my experience so far adding caps is not helpfull. The result i see when doing so is that the  cap switching polarity just destroys the brush / conutator.

And eats more input power. Charging the cap on the next 1/2 cycle.

This coil sure dose not act the same as the bigger sized larger coils from all my tests so far. However i dont have anything to compair it to either. Not on my bench...

More to do for sure..

Thanks for taking the time to post and help!!!

~Russ   

And then I added:

Hi Russ, for these big current spikes to happen, you need to fix the rotor versus commutator angle this
way, that it is not going at the maximum rotation speed(motor configuration), but more in a generator state,
so the commutator has to switch, when the magnet still pushes magnetic field into the coil....
also it is important to have graphite versus copper on the commutator, so the there is a big spark at this moment...
also a bigger cap than 1 uF is really not good, also it could be good to connect the cap not directly across the coil, but only
to inner taps of the coil...
Yes, with smaller models of these coils it is really hard to get such a big current backspike...
Just play with the angle of commutator versus rotor angle, so you set where the rotor is reversing the current at which
angle of the rotation of the magnet...
Good luck ! Regards, Stefan.

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Here is a version of a Newman coil that can be improved this way via e.g. 1uF high voltage rating Caps on a few taps of the coil.

Maybe also only 100 to 470 NanoFarads should be used... Must be tested...

This way you will have several LC tanks in series that resemble more his first big coil
of the very first machine...where he had these huge back current spikes...

Also in the video here at thus minute 29:47 :
https://youtu.be/CrJIzrmX1mI?t=29m47s
you can see, that these incandescent light bulbs only lighted up,
when the commutator REVERSED the current in the coil ....
This was just a simple commutator that only reversed the coil current... No shortout segments...
You can see it from the magnet rotation, that the lightbulbs only light up 2 times per rotation, when
the current in the coil is reversed...

So this way by improving the capacitance of the coil, it could maybe also achived, that we will
have these big back current spikes also with less wire and thus cheaper Newman generators could be build...

Regards, Stefan.

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Stefan an interesting film but perhaps not the best way to go about giving it away, he could have done kits on a smaller scale and sold them on the internet instead of arguing with idiots because you can never win when you argue with an idiot.

PS Have you got the rest of the circuit ?

 

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Here is now my video, which I recorded, when I visited Mr. Newman in 1987 in Lucedale, Mississippi in his workshop in the woods there on his property.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi8FbMHNc8Y

Hope you like it. Please also read the comments below this video. so you will understand more...

Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

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Here is now my video, which I recorded, when I visited Mr. Newman in 1987 in Lucedale, Mississippi in his workshop in the woods there on his property.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi8FbMHNc8Y

Hope you like it. Please also read the comments below this video. so you will understand more...

Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

aah there is my other anti-grav idea presented by mr newman. So it seems it works to some extent! Nice video!

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Hmm, maybe I was wrong with my last rumblings....

Russ has now put out a new video using his 2 partitial coils
inside his coil and comparing the current and voltages in it, when he shorts
out the different partitial coils...
Very interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPLbJYkWhCw

Also he found Newman´s patent,
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/data/espacenetDocument.pdf?ND=4&flavour=trueFull&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19830317&CC=WO&NR=8300963A1&KC=A1&popup=true
where it is also claimed that
Newman used 2 coils on his very first  big machine, where he was able to light all these
incandescant light bulbs and had more electrical energy out than in...
( which by the way he only could mainly show on the very first big machine and never
showed on later models... there he only used these FL tubes which only killed the energy of the sparking...

So all in all, it seems to be very important to use 2 different coils in a Newman machine design, one which thick diameter wire is the inner coil and a second one with small diameter  wire as the outer coil, so you have some kind of a transformer process going on while the magnet is rotating ..which I also did miss in all my tests,
as I only used one coil for the machine.
No wonder I never got these long lasting back current spikes, as my commutator was only pulsing and reversing the one single coil....

Now the question is, if Newman used also a second commutator for the 2nd coil somehow or if this was just a passive pickup coil just directly
connected to the incandescent light bulbs ?

Too bad I did not film this better in my visit, but time there was so much limited and Mr. Newman just only wanted to show the small toy and fan motor...

Now I have to look up, if I will find some better pictures of the first big machine, that will show the commutators better there within it....

Regards, Stefan.

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Also I guess we need 2 commutators, one for the inner coil and the other for the outer coil  to check out,
how these 2 coils can support each other and how the current can be fed back or shorted out at the right position of the rotating magnet
and to see, if you could get then a bigger back current spike...

Regards, Stefan.

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I just watched the end of the documentary that you linked to, and it was a sad one. :(

I haven´t read his book, but did he disclose all information of the motor in it, or did he take some vital information to his grave?
If yes, what could it be?


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I just watched the end of the documentary that you linked to, and it was a sad one. :(

I haven´t read his book, but did he disclose all information of the motor in it, or did he take some vital information to his grave?
If yes, what could it be?

This thread and Russ Gries videos got me thinking  about Newman theory of magnetiSM.
Especially this one catched my interest, but iif you are a noob like me, then this video lecture series have been really beneficial.

https://www.google.se/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DFDn4qggEYZA&ved=0ahUKEwjM9tG3rrLaAhUSPFAKHQNqAJUQo7QBCCQwAA&usg=AOvVaw2uHqu7jkDAmNVOkZi-hmd8

I am linking from my Samsung, so if the link doesnt work, just google "The Search for Answers part 14"

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I just wrote this to Russ:

Okay Russ, well did you use Top Dead Center TDC to reverse the coil current ? Play with the settings of the rotor position versus coil where you reverse the coil current. It must not be TDC , but probably 30 degrees or more before or after TDC...Also better just use FL tubes in series with ceramic caps across the coil instead of the spark gap.You should then really see more and bigger and longer back current spikes..

So with Not  using TDC , but a different angle where you reverse the current , the motor will run slower,  but the back current spikes will increase as it will then run more in the generator mode... Very important.

Hi Russ, first try to get this big Back Current spike from your machine. just with a mechanical graphitebrush<->copper commutator and a FL tube across the coil, so you will get this staircase current backspike.. ( Comes from the negative partial resistance of the FL Tube, when it flashes)
Also you must not reverse the Coil current at TDC but offset for an angle of about 30 to 60 degrees I guess, so it does not run at full speed, but lower but will produce this big long lasting back current spike, where in this scopeshot you can not see the normal input current,
as it is musch too small for this amperes/div display setting of the scope...
( The scope heads might have been reversed connected in this scope shot from the book, so it is into the positive direction..
normally it goes below the ground line...)

Hope this helps...

Regards, Stefan.

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Well,
I have uploaded a color corrected version of my Newman Visit tape from 1987 now to my new
Video storage home at Dlive.io

https://dlive.io/@overunitydotcom

I will from now on upload all my new Videos over there to earn some Steem cryptocurrency.

It is a great way to be paid way more than on Youtube as the Liking will pay you Steem cryptocurrency,
but it does not cost the Likers anything to Like the video ( Upvote it..)
So you basically get money from the steem blockchain mined money.

You need to be logged in to Steemconnect.com ( which is a Service from Steemit to upvote the videos on DLive.
If you don´t have a Steemit.com
account yet to participate in this cryptocurrency earnings,
you need to apply at steemit.com for a free account or you can also get one faster at:
https://anon.steem.network/
which must be paid, but it has the advantage, that it is anonymous and you get it much faster, but you have
to pay for it.... but it is worth it...

Also dlive.io has the advantage, that you can upload animated GIFs as the thumbnails for the video,
so you already can see, what it is about...

Hope you like it....

Regards, Stefan.

 

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