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Author Topic: Pierre's 170W in 1600W out Looped Very impressive Build continued & moderated  (Read 314894 times)

Offline e2matrix

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Re: Pierre's 170W in 1600W out Looped Very impressive Build continued & moderated
« Reply #1395 on: November 24, 2021, 08:25:49 PM »
Not sure what went wrong but I'll try again in a minute


This should work:   https://www.sendspace.com/file/6pnbkj

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Re: Pierre's 170W in 1600W out Looped Very impressive Build continued & moderated
« Reply #1396 on: November 25, 2021, 07:58:31 PM »

Hello
I have read many of the pages. But it probably won't work that way. In such a generator, the field is generated by the rotor. not through the rotating field of the stator. In order to generate OU in the actual excitation coil, the field must be far too strong. Just as an impulse if someone else is building. As an additional field energy it could get better. The inner coil must build up an additional field.
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Re: Pierre's 170W in 1600W out Looped Very impressive Build continued & moderated
« Reply #1397 on: November 25, 2021, 10:48:06 PM »
Well last time this question came up
I called a few people who were working on it


Nothing yet ?
Some had stopped altogether ( after years)
And others were still “poking it “but also mostly at standstill?


But ?
I’ll ring a bit this week to see ??
I will comment then …


Respectfully
Chet
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A fellow here did post a link to what he felt was overlooked
In magnet etc techs


Alan
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Your best bet is the udt of Raymond Paul Jensen and the flux diode to give Lenz a different path and more room, aka asymmetric flux linking. He gave it away but people apparently don't want to find.And this https://patents.google.com/patent/US6707208B2/en


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Going to ask a few fellows about this ? ( just noticed today while looking someone up )

The above quote was buried behind much text ??

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Just saw this posted elsewhere and thought I would add it. Pierre has a new vid out. Not sure why he would do this. One errant red wire "I think". But who knows.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTOeKZPvssQ

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Thaelin,  I don't believe that is a Video by Pierre.  Youtube user 'smokyatgroups' posted the video and put Pierre's name in the title probably to get hits.  It looks more like a video just done by one of the many fakers out there like [/font][/size][size=var(--ytd-channel-name-text-font-size)]Electric Multi Works[/size]
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Thanks E, didn't think he would author something as blatant as that. He is just not the type to post garbage.
thay

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And what does this have to do with pierre? I call spam hit and a noob too.

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Hello, has anybody news about Pierre and the DZ generator?, any way to contact him, mail phone etc? Will be wonderful he come back and continue showing his marvel generator and teach us how to reach there. PIERRE I HAD REMOVE ALL YOUR VIDEOS FROM MY YOUTUBE CHANNEL LIKE YOU ASK ME, SORRY FOR NOT ASK YOUR PERMITION, HOPE YOU DOING WELL, WE MISS YOU. MERCI A TOI POUR NOUS ENCOURAGE AVEC LES DZ GENERATOR. :) :) :)

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DZ gen looks real, but we can't know, if it's a fake then the center coil has a heavy battery. How does he get a 60Hz sine from a 1-2Hz rotation? 
The primary coils get hot when the output is loaded, so Lenz is still there being fed-back, this may be caused by the technique to cancel the Lenz feedback by a high pressure zero vector sum between 2 partnered or paired bucking coils, or another redirection, Lenz is strong and so back EMF is high because output power is high, just speculating.

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DZ gen looks real, but we can't know, if it's a fake then the center coil has a heavy battery. How does he get a 60Hz sine from a 1-2Hz rotation? 
Hello Alan,

Simple...Pierre has 6 Poles on his rotary field...that cuts the frequency in like 1/6th...like in a 4 pole exciter generator it only requires 1500 RPM's to make 50Hz...or 1800 (1/2 of 2 poles @3600RPM's) to go 60Hz

The primary coils get hot when the output is loaded, so Lenz is still there being fed-back, this may be caused by the technique to cancel the Lenz feedback by a high pressure zero vector sum between 2 partnered or paired bucking coils, or another redirection, Lenz is strong and so back EMF is high because output power is high, just speculating.

Of course Lenz would always be there...but Lenz can not act over a massless field displacement...Lenz acts only over steel mass cores. The most it would do is to increase the Input currents, but much less tan whenever trying to stop a physically rotating mass of steel and copper coils...just "nickel and dimes"...or like 0.20 to 0.50 amps.

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Offline alan

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Mechanical switching can get very complicated ,I've tried

Electronic is the way to go if you have the knowledge, which sadly I don't.
Using the reverse fields is part of the solution I believe
Like you say I don't golf, fish, hunt, take trips, I enjoy tinkering to each his own.
Thanks for sharing and good luck
artv
Timing can be calculated like this: 
f = 2hz or field rotations per sec 
n = 36 coils 
T = 1/2 = 0,5 sec per rotation 
T per coil = T/n = 13,89 ms 


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Hello Alan,

Simple...Pierre has 6 Poles on his rotary field...that cuts the frequency in like 1/6th...like in a 4 pole exciter generator it only requires 1500 RPM's to make 50Hz...or 1800 (1/2 of 2 poles @3600RPM's) to go 60Hz

Of course Lenz would always be there...but Lenz can not act over a massless field displacement...Lenz acts only over steel mass cores. The most it would do is to increase the Input currents, but much less tan whenever trying to stop a physically rotating mass of steel and copper coils...just "nickel and dimes"...or like 0.20 to 0.50 amps.

Regards

Ufopolitics
 
Thanks for your comment. 
In the DZ gen video the field is rotating slowly according to the leds and iron filings, around 1,5Hz? So 90rpm. If it was 1,67Hz and each of 36 coils (singular or paired) created a sine sequentially, then that would be 60Hz. If 2 coils at a time excite the center coil, then it does resemble Figuera.   
Maybe I'm seeing it incorrectly, still trying to wrap my mind around it. 
Lenz acts on and counters the change in flux, a coil doesn't know how the change is caused, the countering is manifested with mass as drag and with massless as back emf in the primary coil causing a higher V*I.

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Thanks for your comment. 
In the DZ gen video the field is rotating slowly according to the leds and iron filings, around 1,5Hz? So 90rpm. If it was 1,67Hz and each of 36 coils (singular or paired) created a sine sequentially, then that would be 60Hz. If 2 coils at a time excite the center coil, then it does resemble Figuera.

Figuera is a completely different thing...Figuera never had a full 360° rotation of a Virtual Field, but a Linear ramp up-down of the Field(s) by increasing-decreasing currents...so please do not confuse them.

Pierre had Six Poles where each N-S config worked across diametrically aiming towards center.

He added the 6 poles in order to reduce its operating frequency, so relays do not overheat or overworked during operation...and still they end up burning out.

Maybe I'm seeing it incorrectly, still trying to wrap my mind around it. 
Lenz acts on and counters the change in flux, a coil doesn't know how the change is caused, the countering is manifested with mass as drag and with massless as back emf in the primary coil causing a higher V*I.

Whenever you get the "touch" by working on these systems (like I have for many years) ...you will learn that Lenz does not affect voltage, but only Currents(I)...As Lenz becomes totally dependent of the frequency you are making the Field rotate...the higher it goes, the less you will see Lenz acting...and actually, there is a point where the opposite will take place...when you load it, currents reduce at input...yes, like magic...I have seen it and done it...have proof.

This have the same principle of a symmetric DC motor Armature...except coils/core are static while field is the one moving...but it results in the same principle...higher speeds, currents comes down and if keeping steady speed...currents will end up stabilizing.

Problem is to keep also the induction at higher levels...under load...but that could be solved in a future with a very fast response AVR.

Cheers

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When looking at the leds of the transistor we can see 3 pairs of leds are activated at a time in sequential order, 2 then the next 2. So I am thinking 3 poles of Partnered coils to redirect Lenz (Sykes-pairs, credits to him for his long time contribution). 
Or each transistor pair is controlling N and opposite S, 6 poles like you said.   
Trying to figuera it out step by step.

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When looking at the leds of the transistor we can see 3 pairs of leds are activated at a time in sequential order, 2 then the next 2. So I am thinking 3 poles of Partnered coils to redirect Lenz (Sykes-pairs, credits to him for his long time contribution). 
Or each transistor pair is controlling N and opposite S, 6 poles like you said.   
Trying to figuera it out step by step.

These systems work better (*Induction gain wise) when poles of same field (same field because coils are turned on at unison) are triggered across in 180°...it could be from outside inwards like DZ or from inside outwards like I am working on, same thing...different spatial positioning.

But this goes a bit more clever...see Pierre had 36 slots on his core, that allowed him to add 36 coils where 18 contained 3 poles and other 18 were the other 3 poles, However, he managed to always keeping the whole six rotating poles "alive" by only reversing a minority of coils on both ends of half circumference or at 180°...can you see/picture that?

And pls, do not take me wrong, Figuera, which I also tried to replicate a long ago, is based on also moving the Virtual Field without moving any parts...what I was referring specifically was the way Figuera moved the field...linearly versus circular and continuously.

The chances of collapsing the field (a big "no, no" on these systems) on Figuera is very high...versus a continuous smooth rotation is easier to track.

I see Figuera handicap in moving field that way, linearly...

Cheers

Ufopolitics