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Author Topic: Pierre's 170W in 1600W out Looped Very impressive Build continued & moderated  (Read 153792 times)

Offline pedro1

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En. A question for you Pierre.
The 36 coils of your functional DZ,  were they individually isolated?

Au tout début j’avais mis toute les bobines en série comme toi, mais je me suis rendu compte par la suite du faible taux de rendement comme toi, et en même temps j'ai voulu sauver des relais pour pouvoir ouvrir et fermer chaque circuit. Alors il y a des bobines en parallèle et en série en même temps, mais chaque bobine est isolée l'une de l'autre. Tu pourrais même varier toute les séquences que tu veux avec le plan que j'ai fourni, 2 pôles, 3 pôles, 30 pôles si tu le désires. Chaque bobine est individuelle mais en série avec les autres. Il est sur que si tu veux avoir un champ maximum tu pourrais opter pour 2 pôles et avec la vitesse d'ouverture des mosfet tu pourras atteindre le 60hz facilement avec un champ beaucoup plus fort que 6 bobines, alors ton efficacité devrait augmenter. Moi, je ne pouvais pas me permettre d'aller plus vite avec des relais, alors imagines ce que 2 pôles en rotation pourraient me donner à la sortie avec un champ 3 fois plus fort ? Il est sur que ce n'est encore là tout le secret, mais cela en fait partie. Une dernière chose, la seul chose que je n'ai pas faite est de ne pas croiser les champs car il s'annulent alors essaie de faire la même chose, cela réduit ton efficacité. De mon coté, j'ai réglé ce problème dans mon nouveau prototype.
 
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En.  At the very beginning I had all the coils in series like you but I later realized the low rate of return like you and at the same time I wanted to save relays to be able to open and close each circuit, so there are coils in parallel and in series at the same time but each coil is isolated from one another. You could even vary all the sequences that you want with the plan that I provided, 2 pole, 3 pole, 30 pole if you desire. Each coil is individual but in series with the others. It's certain that if you want to have a maximum field you could opt for 2 pole and with the switching speed of mosfet's you will be able to reach 60hz easily with a much stronger field then 6 coils, so your efficiency should increase. I couldn't afford to go any faster with relays, so imagine what 2 rotating poles could of given me on the output with a field that's 3 times stronger? It's sure this is still not the secret but it's part of it. One last thing, the only thing I didn't do is to not cross the fields because they will cancel. So try to do the same. This reduces your efficiency. I've solved this problem in my new prototype.

Pierre C.
« Last Edit: June 09, 2018, 12:58:23 AM by gotoluc »

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Offline gotoluc

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En. A question for you Pierre.
The 36 coils of your functional DZ,  were they individually isolated?

Regards
Luc

Au tout début j’avais mis toute les bobines en série comme toi, mais je me suis rendu compte par la suite du faible taux de rendement comme toi, et en même temps j'ai voulu sauver des relais pour pouvoir ouvrir et fermer chaque circuit. Alors il y a des bobines en parallèle et en série en même temps, mais chaque bobine est isolée l'une de l'autre. Tu pourrais même varier toute les séquences que tu veux avec le plan que j'ai fourni, 2 pôles, 3 pôles, 30 pôles si tu le désires. Chaque bobine est individuelle mais en série avec les autres. Il est sur que si tu veux avoir un champ maximum tu pourrais opter pour 2 pôles et avec la vitesse d'ouverture des mosfet tu pourras atteindre le 60hz facilement avec un champ beaucoup plus fort que 6 bobines, alors ton efficacité devrait augmenter. Moi, je ne pouvais pas me permettre d'aller plus vite avec des relais, alors imagines ce que 2 pôles en rotation pourraient me donner à la sortie avec un champ 3 fois plus fort ? Il est sur que ce n'est encore là tout le secret, mais cela en fait partie. Une dernière chose, la seul chose que je n'ai pas faite est de ne pas croiser les champs car il s'annulent alors essaie de faire la même chose, cela réduit ton efficacité. De mon coté, j'ai réglé ce problème dans mon nouveau prototype.
 
 pierre c.

En.  At the very beginning I had all the coils in series like you but I later realized the low rate of return like you and at the same time I wanted to save relays to be able to open and close each circuit, so there are coils in parallel and in series at the same time but each coil is isolated from one another. You could even vary all the sequences that you want with the plan that I provided, 2 pole, 3 pole, 30 pole if you desire. Each coil is individual but in series with the others. It's certain that if you want to have a maximum field you could opt for 2 pole and with the switching speed of mosfet's you will be able to reach 60hz easily with a much stronger field then 6 coils, so your efficiency should increase. I couldn't afford to go any faster with relays, so imagine what 2 rotating poles could of given me on the output with a field that's 3 times stronger? It's sure this is still not the secret but it's part of it. One last thing, the only thing I didn't do is to not cross the fields because they will cancel. So try to do the same. This reduces your efficiency. I've solved this problem in my new prototype.

Pierre C.

Merci Pierre pour la réponse.
J'essaie de comprendre comment vous avez pu isoler les bobines avec seulement 36 à 38 fils (5 connecteurs à 8 broches) que nous pouvons voir dans votre vidéo?
Pouvez-vous s'il vous plaît expliquer.
Cordialement
Luc

En. Thank you Pierre for the reply.
I'm trying to understand how you were able to isolate the coils with only 36 to 38 wires (5 of 8 pin connectors) we can see in your video?
Can you please explain.
Regards
Luc

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regarde le plan que j'ai poster tout est la!

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regarde le plan que j'ai poster tout est la!

Oui, je suis d'accord que tout est dans le plan, mais pour que ce plan fonctionne dans votre démonstration vidéo, vous auriez besoin de 72 fils provenant de votre stator pour que l'isolation fonctionne avec les relais. À moins que vous ayez les relais d'isolation montés sur le stator lui-même qui n'a clairement pas été fait. Alors, comment pouvez-vous isoler 36 bobines avec seulement 36 fils?
Cordialement
Luc

En. Yes, I agree it's all in the plan but for that plan to work in your video demonstration you would of needed 72 wires coming from your stator for the isolation to work with the relays. Unless you had the isolation relays mounted on the stator itself which was clearly not done. So how can you Isolate 36 coils with only 36 wire?

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Luc

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A toi de voir! Tu a eu beaucoup d'indice que je vous ait laisser Je sait que tu voudrait avoir tout les détail anssi que le plan en détail mais tu devra attendre un peut je ne dévoilera pas tout les petit détail au reste a la planète sans que l'idée ne soit protéger tu le sait bien compte toi chanceux d'avoir les detail  que j'ai bien voulue transmettre je voit que les gens ne cherche pas encore dans la bonne direction du fonctionnement d'un générateur regarder en 3d un champ magnétique se déplacer au ralentie  et vous trouverez la solution et non pas seulement de façon logique et mecanic il faut visualiser  comment se comporte le champ magnétique en déplacement et seulement la vous trouverez la solution alors je vous recommande de réfléchir à ce que je vient d'écrire  pour construire quelque chose qui se rapproche le plus possible a un générateur et non pas seulement dans la rotation il y a beaucoup d'autre petit détail important pour que cela fonctionne je te l'avait déjà mentionner la rotation n'est qu'un aspect il y a beaucoup plus comme un moteur d'auto sans piston alors ne soit pas déçu l que ton prototype ne fonctionne pas comme tu le souhaitait ce n'est qu'une étape que tu voulait expérimenter et tu a fait un excellent travail jusqu' à présent quelque fois il faut prendre le temps de s'assoir et de réfléchir  à ce que l'on fabrique.

En.   Up to you to find!... I gave you a lot of clues. I know that you would like to have all the details and the detailed plans but you will have to wait a bit. I won't reveal all the small detail to the rest to the world without the idea being protected and you know that. Count yourself lucky to have the detail I shared. I see people are not yet looking in the right direction of the operation of a generator. Look how a slow motion 3d magnetic field moves and you will find the solution and not only in a logical and mechanical way but it's necessary to visualize how a moving magnetic field behaves and only then you will find the solution. I recommend you think about what I just wrote to build something that comes as close as possible to a generator and not just in the rotation. There's a lot of other little important detail for it to work I've already told you rotation is only one aspect there is much more. Like a car engine without pistons. So don't be disappointed that your prototype doesn't work like you want. It's only a step you wanted experiment and you have done a great job so far. Sometimes you have to take the time to sit down and think about what you are building.
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Hi Luc,


I don't intend this to show up in the thread, but do you think it's possible that Pierre is maliciously and intentionally wasting your time and the time of other researchers??? The goal would be to have people chasing their tails to prevent them from working on something that might actually work.


I've been following your work for many years and appreciate it very much. Thank you.


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... do you think it's possible that Pierre is maliciously and intentionally wasting your time and the time of other researchers???

The thought crossed my mind too Luc.  Certainly Pierre understands the best form of "protection" he could possibly get is to have several functioning replications built by third parties out there in the wild.  Unless he is talking about patent protection, in which case he came to the wrong place to begin with.

Of all the people doing this research, I'd really hate to see you get jerked around Luc.  You're the least deserving of this form of treatment.

As I said earlier though, you still have a very viable platform to educate yourself and the rest of us with.  Work with what you have, it's all anyone could possibly ask.

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Oui, je suis d'accord que tout est dans le plan, mais pour que ce plan fonctionne dans votre démonstration vidéo, vous auriez besoin de 72 fils provenant de votre stator pour que l'isolation fonctionne avec les relais. À moins que vous ayez les relais d'isolation montés sur le stator lui-même qui n'a clairement pas été fait. Alors, comment pouvez-vous isoler 36 bobines avec seulement 36 fils?
Cordialement
Luc

En. Yes, I agree it's all in the plan but for that plan to work in your video demonstration you would of needed 72 wires coming from your stator for the isolation to work with the relays. Unless you had the isolation relays mounted on the stator itself which was clearly not done. So how can you Isolate 36 coils with only 36 wire?

Regards
Luc

One possibility to have "relays" at/ inside  the stator itself is to hide REED-relay tongues iside the stator, driven by the different magnetic fields there.

I'm convinsed that a working OU genny with virtual rotating/ moving fields is possible to konstruct anyhow.
And I think Pierre deserves "protection" if his apparatus really works.
But I also agree to the thought above about "the chasing tail DZ-game".

Regards  Arne

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AC generators, armature reaction:
When an alternator is running at no-load, there will be no current flowing through the armature winding. The flux produced in the air-gap will be only due to the rotor ampere turns. When the alternator is loaded, the three-phase currents will produce a totaling magnetic field in the air-gap. Consequently, the air-gap flux is changed from the no-load condition. 
  The effect of armature flux on the flux produced by field ampere turns (i. e., rotor ampere turns) is called armature reaction. 
  Two things are worth noting about the armature reaction in an alternator.
Firstly, the armature flux and the flux produced by rotor ampere-turns rotate at the same speed (synchronous speed) in the same direction and, therefore, the two fluxes are fixed in space relative to each other.
Secondly, the modification of flux in the air-gap due to armature flux depends on the magnitude of stator current and on the power factor of the load. It is the load power factor which determines whether the armature flux distorts, opposes or helps the flux produced by rotor ampere-turns.
Full text:
http://www.studyelectrical.com/2014/09/armature-reaction-in-alternator-ac-generator.html
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Follow Pierre advice this video can illuminate somehow. Thanks for your excellent work Luc and Pierre and everybody else working in this project and sheering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQyamjPrw-U

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One possibility to have "relays" at/ inside  the stator itself is to hide REED-relay tongues iside the stator, driven by the different magnetic fields there.

I'm convinsed that a working OU genny with virtual rotating/ moving fields is possible to konstruct anyhow.
And I think Pierre deserves "protection" if his apparatus really works.
But I also agree to the thought above about "the chasing tail DZ-game".

Regards  Arne
                                                                                                   

Pas si vous avez des bobine en parallèle à vous de voir la suite

En.  Not if you have coils in parallel. It's up to you to see the rest
« Last Edit: June 09, 2018, 03:44:36 PM by gotoluc »

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Tout est dans le cablage a moin d'avoir mon plan il vous seras difficile de comprendre mais vous pouvez aussi vous inspirer de ce j'ai donner comme renseignement pour faire votre version rotation et isolation plus les retour de bobine etc,rien ne vous empêche d'être créatif un peut pour construire un dz basé sur le principe il y a plusieurs facon de  couper un champ magnétique le principe reste le même il suffit d'améliorer ce que vous avez fait jusqu'à  maintenant et que vous savez les problèmes qu'il y a dans la version de Luc pour ma part je vais continuer de construire ma deuxième version qui est totalement différente de mon premier dz autant l'electronic que ma toute nouvelle bobine un stator construit sur mesure pour le dz beaucoup j'améliore ce qui a moin bien fonctionner et vous devriez faire la même chose s'assoir et prendre le temps de réfléchir un peut que que fois cela peut aider un peut ,moi quand il y a quelque qui ne fonctionne pas   je ne me compte pas sur personne je tente de règler mon problème en fesant mes recherche pour régler les difficulté que j'ai  prener comme exemple il y a deux ans je  ne connaissait pas grand chose au champ magnétique (difficile a croire )mais j'ai étudier le phénomène pour comprendre parceque je voulait construire le dz et depuis ce temps je ne cesse d'apprendre de nouvelle chose alors prener le prototype de Luc comme un apprentissage  et aller de l'avant et n'ayez pas peur d'innover.


En.   Everything is in the wiring!... unless you have my plan it will be difficult to understand but you can also be inspired by the information I gave to make your own rotating isolated version plus the coil return etc. Nothing is stopping you in being a little creative to build a dz based on the principle. There are many ways to cut a magnetic field, the principle remains the same just improve what you've done so far. You know the problems in Luc's version. On my side I'll continue building my second version which is totally different from my first dz, different electronics, a new coil and a custom built stator. I improved what didn't worked so well and you should do the same thing. Sit down and take the time to think it over, sometimes that can help. Me when something doesn't work I don't rely on anyone. I try to solve my problem by doing research. Take for example two years ago, I didn't know much about magnetic fields (hard to believe) but I studied the phenomenon to understand it because I wanted to build the dz and since then I have been learning new things. So take Luc's prototype as an apprenticeship and go ahead and don't be afraid to innovate.
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regarder ses petit vidéo cela peut peut-être vous aidez, vieux mais intéressant   

En. watch his little videos they may help you?  Old but interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZjMARe6APs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FehUCQKKRwo
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regarder ses petit vidéo cela peut peut-être vous aidez, vieux mais intéressant   

En. watch his little videos they may help you?  Old but interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZjMARe6APs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FehUCQKKRwo
Hi Pierre,

In those videos the focus is on moving magnet but not moving magnetic field. Which is main reason why we have electric current generated and completely missed there.
The problem everyone have here is how you are switching coils and generating power and not loosing it in transformation.
In regards to "protection" - the best protection is to open-source. If you are thinking about patenting it will never happen for your benefit and may endager your life.
As it happened countless times before...

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Hi Pierre,

In those videos the focus is on moving magnet but not moving magnetic field. Which is main reason why we have electric current generated and completely missed there.
The problem everyone have here is how you are switching coils and generating power and not loosing it in transformation.
In regards to "protection" - the best protection is to open-source. If you are thinking about patenting it will never happen for your benefit and may endager your life.
As it happened countless times before...

Pierre makes a mistake thinking that the Patent Office will guarantee him something. He will still have to fight for it only with the corporations. Patents are naive and for the lobby. He will lose his life for this fight. Pierre should talk with other inventors and not with Patent officials. The longer he loses publicity, the more he loses. Time will show for him and others.



 

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