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Author Topic: Pierre's 170W in 1600W out Looped Very impressive Build continued & moderated  (Read 102930 times)

Offline seaad

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Why no fields in this places ?

You must compare it with the video part 3 or 4 by Pierre

Can you give the time points (about) in these films Thanks. And how to see that flux is missing?

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Can you give the time points (about) in these films Thanks. And how to see that flux is missing?

Regards  Arne

you can see it almost any time
e.g.13:40 part 3

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you can see it almost any time
e.g.13:40 part 3
there's also a null on the opposite side... I thought it was only 2 gaps 180 degrees opposed; but I see the other near gap you're mentioning...
weak coils? 
The rotor is also in it; is it there, but lost into the pickup?

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Hi pm.
I just finished my stator build and i measured my coils inductances. It is L=7.52mH per coil. Each coil (22 awg) is of a 22.5m length (73T) and this gives me a 1,1 Ohm resistance. The maximum frequency according the equation is about 25Hz. So i wonder if there is any trick that i can do so to raise the frequency up to 50Hz. Any idea?

Regards
Jeg

ps. In resistance calculator i measured just the ohmic resistance and not the reactance of the coil. Reactance at 7,52mH and 50Hz is 2.3 ohms. If i add it with the ohmic resistance then i am again in the right range. But is that a valid consideration?
Thanks
Hi Jeg,


You should measure the inductance with and without the rotor in place for each coil. You should see an increase in inductance the closer you get to the rotor, typically a factor of 4 compared to the minimum inductance when away from the rotor.


Pierre's relays are running at around 4Hz, so I don't think your numbers are going to be a problem.


PmgR

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Hi Jeg,

You should measure the inductance with and without the rotor in place for each coil. You should see an increase in inductance the closer you get to the rotor, typically a factor of 4 compared to the minimum inductance when away from the rotor.

Pierre's relays are running at around 4Hz, so I don't think your numbers are going to be a problem.

PmgR

Hi Pm
Thanks for the suggestion. These days i will test the relay boards to take an idea for the consumption current. I'll report my findings as for a reference.

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Offline r2fpl

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Pierre,

Share your hard work with everyone. Explain how your generator works.
You will register in history and no one will be in front of you. Do not keep it secret!
There is too much evil that makes people slaves like energy.
Do not try to wait and improve something that is already there. It's a waste of life.
Just give it to people.

If you give us the recipe everyone will sign this DZ GENERATOR by PIERRE!

I think that not only I have this request.

« Last Edit: May 17, 2018, 06:09:25 PM by r2fpl »

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Pierre,

Share your hard work with everyone. Explain how your generator works.
You will register in history and no one will be in front of you. Do not keep it secret!
There is too much evil that makes people slaves like energy.
Do not try to wait and improve something that is already there. It's a waste of life.
Just give it to people.

If you give us the recipe everyone will sign this DZ GENERATOR by PIERRE!
I think that not only I have this request.







Amen.... ;D

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Offline dole

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I just got inspiration (sorry for that, hate writing)

Agree, I can try to challenge him (IMHO, just in case)

Let say, we wind a coil like we thinks. Indeed, we calculate how many turns we need for input voltage and current
and how many we must have for output.
Than we start like everyone knows, 1 to 6 and 2 to 7 … 6-12 and then we stop and think. What we have done.
We were carefully thinking 6 and simultaneously thinking around to the end.
We realized where the strong are and where next one comes.
Then we find repetition pattern and winding a rest just enough to suit out calculation.

Bingo.

So far so good, but it appears that we need more turns for output, strange?
So we think again and find that 2+2+2 are equal 6. 2 is not a good number for strong one, why?
Because we split 50/50 and spread what we actuality wish to separate as best as possible.
So suddenly we see 9 
Apparently 3+3+3 are equal 9, ... wow this is good arrangement, 3 as a strong one. Why?
Let say 100 (We think X^2) and in correct geometry it end up with 9+81+9 instead 50+50.

Pierre you mentioned 4 poles did you tried? (Of course 6 between  ;))

We can go further,

We are for now only in 2D, we accomplish that and now we start thinking 3D.
Mowing in X-Y plane and thinking same in Z and then we realize something much bigger…… to be continued  ;D

Come on Pierre... ” We know that you know that we know”

d.

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Je sais que vous avez tous hâte d'avoir les détail du dz générateur mais pour l'instant j'aime mieux mettre mes efforts sur un deuxième prototype que passer mes soirée a répondre au question  cela n'est pas trop productif quand ce seras fait il me feras plaisir de tout vous expliquer en détail mais en attendant je continue à suivre vos idée et vos commentaire durant mes pause au travail et j'espère vous en mettre plein la vue avec la deuxième version du dz générateur mais je peut vous dite que cela prendras plusieurs mois a faire car il y a beaucoup de travail  avant que ce ne soit fonctionnel merci a tous de votre compréhension .            Pierre cotnoir

En. I know you're all looking forward to the details of the dz generator but for now I prefer to put my efforts in building the second prototype than to spend my evening answering questions, that wouldn't be productive. When I have it done I'll be happy to explain everything in detail but in the meantime I'll continue to follow your ideas and comments during my breaks at work and I hope you will be amazed with the second version of the dz generator but I can tell you it will take several months to complete because there's a lot of work to be done before it's functional.
Thank you all for your understanding. 
Pierre Cotnoir
« Last Edit: May 18, 2018, 05:23:14 AM by gotoluc »

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Offline e2matrix

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Good to hear from you Pierre.   Best of luck on the 2nd prototype.                                                               

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Je sais que vous avez tous hâte d'avoir les détail du dz générateur mais pour l'instant j'aime mieux mettre mes efforts sur un deuxième prototype que passer mes soirée a répondre au question  cela n'est pas trop productif quand ce seras fait il me feras plaisir de tout vous expliquer en détail mais en attendant je continue à suivre vos idée et vos commentaire durant mes pause au travail et j'espère vous en mettre plein la vue avec la deuxième version du dz générateur mais je peut vous dite que cela prendras plusieurs mois a faire car il y a beaucoup de travail  avant que ce ne soit fonctionnel merci a tous de votre compréhension .            Pierre cotnoir

En. I know you're all looking forward to the details of the dz generator but for now I prefer to put my efforts in building the second prototype than to spend my evening answering questions, that wouldn't be productive. When I have it done I'll be happy to explain everything in detail but in the meantime I'll continue to follow your ideas and comments during my breaks at work and I hope you will be amazed with the second version of the dz generator but I can tell you it will take several months to complete because there's a lot of work to be done before it's functional.
Thank you all for your understanding. 
Pierre Cotnoir
Wish you would make videos again and a step-by-step build guide.         Fr. Je souhaite que vous fassiez à nouveau des vidéos et un guide de construction étape par étape.

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« Last Edit: May 18, 2018, 11:43:08 PM by gotoluc »

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Je sais que vous avez tous hâte d'avoir les détail du dz générateur mais pour l'instant j'aime mieux mettre mes efforts sur un deuxième prototype que passer mes soirée a répondre au question  cela n'est pas trop productif quand ce seras fait il me feras plaisir de tout vous expliquer en détail mais en attendant je continue à suivre vos idée et vos commentaire durant mes pause au travail et j'espère vous en mettre plein la vue avec la deuxième version du dz générateur mais je peut vous dite que cela prendras plusieurs mois a faire car il y a beaucoup de travail  avant que ce ne soit fonctionnel merci a tous de votre compréhension .            Pierre cotnoir
Hi Pierre,

As you are doing second prototype maybe you could help and answer one main question?
When you activate 1 coil, the opposite current flow over rest of 35 coils is requirement for effect to happen or not wanted? That dictates electronics circuit design and coils driving.
Please see my picture attached with 4 coils test and 1st coil activated.

P.S> The opposite current flow creates bucking magnetic fields which cancel out each other. And I have impression most of guys here have that exact problem.

Cheers!

Offline jerdee

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So far a 6 field 30 pole rotational system for recovery requires. (see sche).  The off state always recovers the negative diode in a boost circuit config.  Pierre posts a boost circuit in his post.  This has to be important.

I'm not understanding Pierre's recovery and source input.  He shows in his vids, the ability to charge caps and recover on the same bank without an additional switch to return the recover to the source. This doesn't make sense.

I'm studying the recovery from the series inductors.

Hopefully this helps,

Jerdee
« Last Edit: May 20, 2018, 04:42:09 AM by gotoluc »

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Hi Jerdee,
I am close to running my setup and one of the first tests will be to look at the current recovery through these diodes with a current clamp.
Regards
L192

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Strength of the fields is only one of the keys. However, just a strong rotational field is NOT going to give you OU. We have to study A/C generator basics.  The rotational field is only one part of the equation.


Pierre vids only show relays not using double throw. Look closely, ground is skipping on the even relays, while positive skips on the odds.  So he is only using one direction.  If Pierre is looking for more room for improvment in rotating the field, he needs to use H-bridges.  By allowing the positive/negative rail to flip, you can double the amount of current field strength.  Look at sche again, and compare to Pierre's.  Pierre is only doing ONE DIRECTION of CURRENT in his relays.  So, using both sides of an H-bridge is an improvement for sure, but is it diverging to far from Pierre's original design?  I  don't think so, you still can use a boost converter design with diodes to recover with polarity flipping on your H-bridges. A boost coverter does not care about your H-bridge's direction. You can recover in either direction.  So you improve the field strength, you get more current into the fields, you still maintain rotation of the fields and you can recover the inductive charge in both directions.  So why wouldn't this improvement NOT be a benefit for Pierre?


I just keep racking my brain on how he is feeding DC into his cap bank and recovery from the coils to the same cap bank.  Anyone that knows how to deal with coil recovery, knows this can't be done, UNLESS you have an additional switch.  Could this be why he left pin37 in his code (has no LED blinking) with an additional transistor?  It's very possible.  Please keep in mind that his original code had a full off position at the end of the loop.  I've already proven this with audio examples as well.  Go back to my posts.  BTW, you have to nudge the audio earlier to line up with the lights, sound takes longer to travel than light when recorded. :)  So it is very possible that this off state of all of his relays are the extra step to RETURN the boost cap back to the a source cap bank.  Then the question becomes, WHERE IS HIS EXTRA RELAY?  You won't find it in his vids.  I'm left thinking that the off state at the end of his code explains his return current.  Review sche below.


One final thought, his current limiting resistor gets very hot, and mentions replacing it in his video.  If he is not using any additional switch for recovery, this explains why his current limiting resistor get very hot. Could this be our explanation we are looking for?  With no 37th switch/relay for recovery, forces him to tie source and recovery together but separated by the current limiting resistor.   Maybe the current limiting resistor plays a much bigger role than we think?  This could explain his source current, can't go through the current limiting resistor quick enough, and yet, his recovery has NO current limiting applied.  Seems like a very odd way to deal with recovery.  Am I wrong?  This form of diversion explains why he is generating large amounts of heat.

Hopfully this all makes sense and why we need to understand how he is returning the inductive charge back to the source caps.


Jerdee
« Last Edit: May 20, 2018, 08:03:52 PM by jerdee »

 

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