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Author Topic: Pierre's 170W in 1600W out Looped Very impressive Build continued & moderated  (Read 95266 times)

Offline jerdee

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Look very carefully at the code differences between PMGR and Pierre's code posted from


http://overunity.com/17653/pierres-170w-in-1600w-out-looped-very-impressive-build-continued -moderated / msg518835 / # msg518835


 There is an OFFSET !!!!!


THERE IS A FULL ON / OFF POSITION AT THE BEGINNING / END of Pierre's Code! This would allow a very strong SINGLE coil magnetic field to be placed with no overlap!


The offset allows for the inductive kickback to be pulled around for a full cycle before released!
« Last Edit: April 15, 2018, 03:34:18 PM by gotoluc »

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Offline alex77

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Hello, I am following this thread from the beginning. I was very impressed by Pierre generator. Very professional thread, all which are involved here have a lot of experience in these issues.
All my respect to Luc, his prototype is very impressive and expensive.
I am not an expert, not even a professional, I am more like an amator.
I want share with my point of view, because I know that if you focus too much to one idea, you miss other solutions.
From my point of amator view, there no 30/36 coils energized all time, as you Luc mentioned in the last video. I believe that only the coils which are energized are exactly the coils where the LEDs are on. When led is off, the coils not energized anymore, allowing bemf to go to caps. If all coils are energized, how bemf can take place?
I believe like this: all the time is on three coils from stator and Pierre made the "rotor" with a certain number of turns like in a normal transformer. So all the time only 3 coils are inducing the current to the rotor.
Again, I am just an amator, please ignore if this is wrong.

Cheers!
Alex

Offline konehead

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Hi Luc
Three suggestions:
Put in some proper backemf/recoil collecting steering diodes!!!!!
Pierre said plain as day this is the secret.
Do not rely on the internal diodes within the H switches to do anything at all....they certainly will not be filling up any capacitors!!!

Squeeze in a big vise the stator assembly so that it actually squeezes the stator onto the rotor and there is very good contact between the rotor and stator and near no airgap.
You can see how Pierre has hard time installing his rotor and it is very tight squeeze plus looks like good contact between rotor and stator surfaces. and no airgap.

Use the same wire and same length of wire as Pierre uses in his rotor - parallel bifilar 20 GA and I think it was 900 feet in each bifilar half??? that rubeer coated wire I saw you use will be very lousy stuff to use my opinion

Anyways keep going don't stop!! Stay positive don't give up until it loops. (then work on it even more)


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Offline ARTMOSART

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luc ,

j'ai visionné ta vidéo je remarque que seul 6 led sont actif ,si je comprend bien le schéma de pmgR ,il faudrait 12 contacte actif
par pas ,on dirais que dans ton cas présent 3x10 bobine sont actif au lieu de 6x5 bobine ?   

Mosha

 I saw your video I noticed that only 6 led are active, if I understand the diagram of pmgR, it would take 12 active contact by step, we would say that in this case 3x10 coil are active instead of 6x5 coil?

hi,all

désolé  ,j'ai mal interpreté l'action que représente  une LED actif ,merci à L192  d'avoir clarifier les chose .et pardon pour cette
confusion .

cordialement ,Mosha

sorry, I misinterpreted the action of an active LED, thanks to L192 for clarifying the things .and sorry for this confusion .


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Offline MichelM

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Hello Luc,

did I miss something ; can you explain to me how is ordered the closing of the contact (green arrow) which allows the passage of the negative current?
Thank you


FR
Bonjour Luc,

j'ai loupé quelque chose ; pouvez-vous m'expliquer comment est commandée la fermeture du contact (flèche verte) qui permet le passage du courant négatif ?
Merci

Offline listener191

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I made 2 videos, the first one in English and the next in French.
These videos are to explain the coils firring sequence and what I believe to be the reason why there's next to no flux going through the center core coil.

English video: https://youtu.be/wnHXpeu-Szo

Fr. J'ai fait 2 vidéos, la première en anglais et la suivante en français.
Cette vidéo a pour but d'expliquer la séquence d'allumage des bobines et ce que je crois être la raison pour laquelle il n'y a pas de flux passant par la bobine du noyau central.

Video en français: https://youtu.be/b4io8wZCb-s

Hi Gotoluc,

Actually it was 5 coils not a single coil and when I added the next coil group (5 coils) opposite polarity  the output dropped due to the partial cancellation of the MMF.

I was going to conduct a single coil test but now I know what is happening I don't need to do that.

Regards

L192
« Last Edit: April 15, 2018, 03:11:11 PM by gotoluc »

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Pic 1  Recapitulation 

Pic 2  Two types of winding Overlapped Non overlapped

Offline shylo

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Luc,

The way you showed your sequence in the latest video to me is totally wrong.
I think it should be ,5 coils putting out a north, at the same time 180 degrees away 5 coils putting out a south, and then progress the fields one slot at a time.
You have 3 fields n,s,n....n,s,n??  I'm not sure if this is what you have ,but if it is this would explain the low output.
confused artv

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Offline Jeg

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Hi Gotoluc,

Actually it was 5 coils not a single coil and when I added the next coil group (5 coils) opposite polarity  the output dropped due to the partial cancellation of the MMF.

I was going to conduct a single coil test but now I know what is happening I don't need to do that.

Regards

L192

Hi L192
When you say "one slot as a gap" between poles, do you mean that the slot should be completely blank/empty? Or this slot contains the last coil of the previous pole and the first coil of the next pole? Is that possible for a winding graphic representation of your idea?

Luc, is there any chance for a mistake when you were connecting your coils between each other? Out of the "no-current at all" result, looks like that you accidentally have connected them as cw+ccw+cw+ccw...etc. Can you verify this easily? Or else you can fire them one by one and check the polarity with a compass.   

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Hi Jeg,

Its in post 496.

Regards

L192

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Offline listener192

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Attached represents about the best we can do for a 30 or 36 slot stator whilst generating 6 poles.

So in the case of the 30 slot stator it would be 4 coils at a 3 slot pitch and for the 36 pole stator it would be 4 coils at a 4 slot pitch.

I have added Pierre's  36 slot stator 6 coil scheme. I think semiconductor switches will have a hard time with the clashing poles.

Regards

L192

Offline gotoluc

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Good morning everyone,
Just to let you all know that 2 new members have joined, so their posts were not visible and waiting for my Moderator approval and Listener191 also had an email issue which also needed moderator approval.
So please see all posts above to read these now visible posts
I will also be translating Pierre's new PM he sent me. So stay tuned for those updates.
Regards
Luc

Fr.
Bonjour à tous,
Juste pour vous faire savoir que 2 nouveaux membres ont rejoint, donc leurs messages n'étaient pas visibles et attendaient l'approbation de modérateur et Listener191 avait aussi un problème de courrier électronique qui nécessitait également l'approbation de modérateur.
Alors s'il vous plaît voir tous les messages ci-dessus pour lire ces messages maintenant visibles
Je traduirai aussi les nouveaux PM de Pierre qu'il m'a envoyé. Alors restez à l'écoute pour ces mises à jour.
Cordialement
Luc

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The below are two new messages I received from Pierre after he viewed my last French video.
Fr.  Ci-dessous son deux nouveaux messages que jai reçus de Pierre après avoir vu ma dernière vidéo française.

Yes, I know that 6 pole without current variation does not give much but my device has a variation of current. Congratulations you just discovered one of my secret. There still remains more to discover, then you will see the performance I achieved. And yes, there is really 6 field that rotate, except, there really is a variation which you need to know how to do so you can vary the coils. It may be possible that your configuration can achieve it but I'm not sure of your configuration, you will need to experiment. One thing is sure, if you had 5 pole it will not work. You see, you start to find solutions to the problems.

Sorry, I had left you a quick message since I was not home. Yes you can make a fluctuation between the field while having 6 magnetic field and can be all done in series. I was able to do it it. There are several ways to do it and you could have done it with only 2 pole in series, 1 north and 1 south with all coils on.
I would of needed to considerably increased the speed but with relays it is not possible. You can do it as you want but it is one of the conditions to get overunity.
You still have one solution to find but the basis is to have a good rotation of the field, a north at one end of the rotor and a south to the other side and a variation of current if you want a maximum of amperage and it's better kept all the coils in series in this configuration but you really are on the right track. Now I understand why you did not have much output with the program that I saw. Everything is explainable. Have a good day

Fr.  Oui, je sait que 6 pole sans variation de courant ne donne pas grand chose, mais moi j'ai une variation de courant. Félicitations tu vient de découvrir un de mes secret. Il en reste encore un peut  a devouvrir et tu va avoir le performance que j'ai fait. Mais oui, il y a vraiment 6 champ qui tourne sauf qu'il y a bien une variation, suffit de savoir comment faire pour varier les bobines. Il se peut que ta configuration faisse le travail mais je ne suis pas sure de ta configuration, tu peut experimenter. Une chose est sûre, si tu avait 5 pole cela ne fonctionnera pas tu voit, tu commence à trouver des solution au problème.

Fr.  Bon désolé, je t'ai laisser un message rapidement mais je n'était pas chez moi. Oui tu peut faire une fluctuation entre les champ en ayant 6 champ magnétique et tu peut faire toute en série. Je l'ai fait. Il y a plusieurs façon de faire et tu aurait pu faire avec seulement 2 pole en série 1 nord et 1 sud et toute les bobine allumée.
J'aurais du considérablement augmenté la vitesse, mais avec des relais ce n'était pas possible. Tu peut le faire comme tu le veut mais c'est l'une des condition pour faire un overunity.
Il te reste qu'une solution a trouver, mais la base est de bien faire tourner le champ, un nord a une extrémité du rotor et un sud a l'autre coté et une variation de courant si tu veut un maximum d'ampérage et vaut mieux resté en série pour toute les bobine dans cette configuration mais tu est vraiment sur la bonne voie. Maintenant je comprend pourquoi tu n'avait pas grand chose a la sortie avec le program que j'ai vue. Tout s'explique.  bonne journée

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Hello Luc,

did I miss something ; can you explain to me how is ordered the closing of the contact (green arrow) which allows the passage of the negative current?
Thank you

FR
Bonjour Luc,

j'ai loupé quelque chose ; pouvez-vous m'expliquer comment est commandée la fermeture du contact (flèche verte) qui permet le passage du courant négatif ?
Merci

Hello MichelM, please see the below drawing to understand how the coils are powered and connected.

Fr. Bonjour MichelM, s'il vous plaît voir le dessin ci-dessous pour comprendre comment les bobines sont alimentées et connectées.


 

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