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Author Topic: Pierre's 170W in 1600W out Looped Very impressive Build continued & moderated  (Read 331599 times)

Offline alan

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Is the rotating flux even seen as varying flux by the coil? Only when flux varies can it generate an emf and current. Or is it static but not static? Moving, rotating but not varying the number of flux lines? The secondary coil is at the center.

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Is the rotating flux even seen as varying flux by the coil? Only when flux varies can it generate an emf and current. Or is it static but not static? Moving, rotating but not varying the number of flux lines? The secondary coil is at the center.

Alan,

Just go back to an old type (brushes-slip-rings) rotating 2 pole field exciter, generator...then you will see the exciter field is always ON, not varying, just on at all times...except it is displacing through Space/Time...or in simple words..."rotating"...

That is the only "variation" required...to move through space/time, related to the stator coils (secondaries) or output coils, or "induced", etc,etc...

Yes, the stator coils see flux getting stronger as exciter approaches...as weakening as exciter leaves away...

Pls, do not let the existing "terms" to deviate you from getting the reality, the truth...

Cheers

Ufopolitics

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Alan,

Just go back to an old type (brushes-slip-rings) rotating 2 pole field exciter, generator...then you will see the exciter field is always ON, not varying, just on at all times...except it is displacing through Space/Time...or in simple words..."rotating"...

That is the only "variation" required...to move through space/time, related to the stator coils (secondaries) or output coils, or "induced", etc,etc...

Yes, the stator coils see flux getting stronger as exciter approaches...as weakening as exciter leaves away...

Pls, do not let the existing "terms" to deviate you from getting the reality, the truth...

Cheers

Ufopolitics
I mean, take a coil and rotate a magnet around it at a right angle with the central axis of the coil at a fixed radius, the number flux lines through the space inside the coil remain the same but the field rotates. This happens in the current generator.   
Normally in a generator a magnet passes a coil positioned not at the center so the flux always changes so power is generated.

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I mean, take a coil and rotate a magnet around it at a right angle with the central axis of the coil at a fixed radius, the number flux lines through the space inside the coil remain the same but the field rotates. This happens in the current generator.   
Normally in a generator a magnet passes a coil positioned not at the center so the flux always changes so power is generated.


Of course a sideways magnet passing by a coil would not induce it.


Pole(s) [Both] of Magnetic Field must face the center of coil in order to be induction.


Faraday first experiment, perfect induction, magnet bar enters empty (air core) coil...poles facing into coil.


DZ Generator works same way...whenever poles hit the frt or back of single coil at center, induction is achieved at peak values.


In a typical Generator, the exciter Field Poles are rotating with poles faces, facing each stator coil...during rotation...passing by though.


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Offline alan

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If the DZ consists of a rotating field with 3 pole-pairs, and the field is rotating inside the coil with the center of rotation along the center axis of the coil, would this cause a change in the flux as per law of magnetic induction ( E=L x dϕ/dt )? 

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If the DZ consists of a rotating field with 3 pole-pairs, and the field is rotating inside the coil with the center of rotation along the center axis of the coil, would this cause a change in the flux as per law of magnetic induction ( E=L x dϕ/dt )?

Hello Alan,

Yes, definitively.

The variation of flux over variation of time, is given by the angular displacement of the fields lines rotating over time, related to the fixed positioning of center coil-core.

It don't matter at what angle you set that center coil...it will always receive a flux variation over rotation timing from Field displacement.

Cheers

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Hello. Ufopolitics, love your work.
Can you elaborate more in this important statement you had made
(But this goes a bit more clever...see Pierre had 36 slots on his core, that allowed him to add 36 coils where 18 contained 3 poles and other 18 were the other 3 poles, However, he managed to always keeping the whole six rotating poles "alive" by only reversing a minority of coils on both ends of half circumference or at 180°)?. This is a critical step in the process of keeping the electromagnets alive constant.
Thanks.

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Hello. Ufopolitics, love your work.
Thanks Fer, yes I know you do, and I appreciate that.

Can you elaborate more in this important statement you had made
(But this goes a bit more clever...see Pierre had 36 slots on his core, that allowed him to add 36 coils where 18 contained 3 poles and other 18 were the other 3 poles, However, he managed to always keeping the whole six rotating poles "alive" by only reversing a minority of coils on both ends of half circumference or at 180°)?.
This is a critical step in the process of keeping the electromagnets alive constant.
Thanks.

Yes Fer, this is one of the more important properties to have a successful generator.
Pierre had six poles (or three magnetic fields) because he wanted to run at lower frequencies...same as a typical generator works...the more poles the less RPM's(frequency) required to operate it, and still outputing 60 Hz.

So, in order to explain how to keep alive the six poles while rotating the whole three fields is not a simple geometry, unless I show many graphics...which I do not have the time now.
So, let me try with letters to explain this:
Pierre had 36 coils and six poles...and in order to do that, each pole is made of six coils (6X6=36)
In order to keep each pole "alive" only two coils on each side of the pole must be switching (reversing), that leaves four (4) coils that are not switched per pole in a fraction of time/degree of movement.

One N pole = NNNNNN (six coils oriented North)
One S pole = SSSSSS (six coils oriented South)
Now let's just see a Center North pole between two South poles, it should look like:

SSSSSS-NNNNNN-SSSSSS

Now, since I do not have "colors" here for letters...I will just use bold letters for the transitioning (switching) coils, and brackets ([]) to delimit the transition:

>SSSSS[S>N]NNNN[N>S]SSSSS>

On the above let's just analyze the center N pole (configured by six coils"N")...where the bold "N" are the coils being switched per time unit (say seconds)

The left S Pole last "S" coil, would be transitioning into outer coil of N Pole...
As also the right outer "N" coil , would be switching to an "S" Coil for the right S Pole...
And so, we have moved the whole N pole 10º to the Left...(if we have 36 coils, each coil comprehends 10º, or 36X10=360º)

Other way to see it...

The center N Pole has moved 10º to the left by gaining one South coil switched to North on left, while loosing one N Coil to South on right side.

While the four center N coils remained unchanged. This fact keeps the main N Pole Field "alive"...or ON, during the transition.

The same applies to all South Poles next to N Pole...and to all other Poles in the whole circumference.

Hope you understand it better now...


Cheers


Ufopolitics

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Thanks for the reply, very well explaind an clear how the switching works, even without colors well understood.
In relation with this circuit is very important  to have in consideration the coils configuration.
Do you thing the capture lenz reaction with the diodes is very important? From north side or both?
Thanks alot.
Best for you and yours.

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To All interested in reviewing this Thread comments made by Pierre Cotnoir who is Pedro1 here...
You can go to "show members all posts" from pedro1:

pedro1 all posts

Even though, there are some "loss of translation" from French to English...in some posts...but you will get the main idea.

Regards

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Thanks for the reply, very well explaind an clear how the switching works, even without colors well understood.

My pleasure, great that you understood

Do you think the capture lenz reaction with the diodes is very important? From north side or both?
Thanks alot.
Best for you and yours.
Nope, it is not important at all...we still can achieve greater output without collecting the BEMF...
But, of course, it will be great if we could collect it and reuse it to charge or add to our input...
While at the same time we would be taking off those reverse currents from our electronics or in Pierre case...off his relays.
I have a strong commutator and carbon brushes...which is built to stand the arcing & sparks.

On another note, Pierre had a resistor on a heatsink which gets very hot during operation...I believe this resistor is just for the purpose to keep currents low to charge supercaps without using high amperage (because they are not very low ESR)...however, "the price" is paid with heat losses.

We can dedicate a "second secondary" induced coil (inside and in 90º to main output center coil, so it does not disturb main output Induction Angle) just to rectify it (from AC to DC) and be sent to Input.
Pierre did not do that...and yes, it can be done, typical rotary Generators have this settings (Stator coils just to feed back the Exciter (Rotor) coil(s))...nothing new.

Regards

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Hello again...

There is a way to feed coils (by a different circuit) and reverse their polarity, without reversing from positive to negative on the switching circuit side.

By having a High side (+) and a Low side (-) Channels, independently or isolated from each others...this way, by simple fast switching diodes we can derive the BEMF or Radiant Energy away from the switching circuit from each Channel.

But this is another material, which I will disclose when I open a new thread...because this design will not only work for static rotor generators, but also for motors.

It will be on the Revival of MAEM, My Asymmetric Electrodynamic Machines... ;)


Cheers


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Re: Pierre's 170W in 1600W out Looped Very impressive Build continued & moderated
« Reply #1422 on: September 08, 2022, 04:45:51 PM »
Hello to All,

Ok, first I want to post here a video about someone out there replicating Pierre Cotnoir DZ Gen (no big deal)...It was uploaded originally by Member Lota at the Holcomb Main Thread, then deleted by being not related to HES Tech (in my opinion, it is about the same exact principle), Member Ramset (Chet) also asked me to post it here...no problem man!!...it was on the wrong Thread...So, it belongs here now...You guys are right.

Neues Projekt DZ-Generator

Second, I am developing a way to make this same setup to work based on simple FET's circuit in Cascade arrangement (no processor, no timer, no sequential chip required)...so you guys could add as many FET's per shifting Phase as you like...better than relays, more reliable, faster switching plus rated at higher amps and volts...harder to blow if heatsinked properly (FET's would never get on fire like a relay with a plastic casing).

Regards

Ufopolitics

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Re: Pierre's 170W in 1600W out Looped Very impressive Build continued & moderated
« Reply #1423 on: September 08, 2022, 07:34:37 PM »
(FET's would never get on fire like a relay with a plastic casing).
Your MOSFET are not made in plastic cases?

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Re: Pierre's 170W in 1600W out Looped Very impressive Build continued & moderated
« Reply #1424 on: September 08, 2022, 08:14:46 PM »
Your MOSFET are not made in plastic cases?

FETs body is NOT a soft plastic, thin walls like a relay is...it is close to a Mica Material, which can stand very high temperatures.
A Relay is built within a plastic BOX, with Oxygen inside...FET's body is vacuum proof, made where all contacts are...
Pierre Cotnoir relays got on fire...they are not designed for this job.
But if you want, you could build it with russian relays left from the old USSR...hahahaha

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