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Author Topic: Pierre's 170W in 1600W out Looped Very impressive Build continued & moderated  (Read 184880 times)

Offline seaad

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Pas si vous avez des bobine en parallèle à vous de voir la suite
En.  Not if you have coils in parallel. It's up to you to see the rest

Film no. 5 ??? parallel where?

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Hi Pierre,

In those videos the focus is on moving magnet but not moving magnetic field. Which is main reason why we have electric current generated and completely missed there.
The problem everyone have here is how you are switching coils and generating power and not loosing it in transformation.
In regards to "protection" - the best protection is to open-source. If you are thinking about patenting it will never happen for your benefit and may endager your life.
As it happened countless times before...

Pierre makes a mistake thinking that the Patent Office will guarantee him something. He will still have to fight for it only with the corporations. Patents are naive and for the lobby. He will lose his life for this fight. Pierre should talk with other inventors and not with Patent officials. The longer he loses publicity, the more he loses. Time will show for him and others.

I know that Pierre is not going to go the Patent route.
Please don't start rumors that will derail the topic. Use your time wisely like trying to think of possible wiring configurations using the drawing Pierre provided. Find what works with only 37 wires to create some isolation, some series and some parallel coil connections.

Regards
Luc

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Hi Luc,


I don't intend this to show up in the thread, but do you think it's possible that Pierre is maliciously and intentionally wasting your time and the time of other researchers??? The goal would be to have people chasing their tails to prevent them from working on something that might actually work.


I've been following your work for many years and appreciate it very much. Thank you.


Kevin


The way in which Pierre is presenting his info and his work on a second device leaves no doubt in my mind he is being honest here and not trying to fool anyone.   However as I have seen over several decades those who find something that really appears to be out of the ordinary (as in self running) by human nature tend to want to hold back some of the details.   The thought process they have usually involves wanting to get credit for such a spectacular discovery as well as getting money for it.   Unfortunately that plan never seems to work out well for inventors unless they have a big corporation they work for or are part of.  I've attached (hopefully) 3 documents that I have translated (with Google) to French that are also uploaded here on overunity.com in the download section (in English).   This is something I would suggest Pierre read as it is a good history of how things turn out with inventors who find something important depending on what they do with their find.

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I know that Pierre is not going to go the Patent route.
Please don't start rumors that will derail the topic. Use your time wisely like trying to think of possible wiring configurations using the drawing Pierre provided. Find what works with only 37 wires to create some isolation, some series and some parallel coil connections.

Regards
Luc

I referred to T-1000 and patent practices. This is out of date seems to be.

3xN + 3xS = 6 coils like 1 star = 4wires
6star * 4 wires = 24 wires
12 wires to between coils
=36 wires

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I referred to T-1000 and patent practices. This is out of date seems to be.

3xN + 3xS = 6 coils like 1 star = 4wires
6star * 4 wires = 24 wires
12 wires to between coils
=36 wires

Excellent work r2fpl
That is exactly the kind of participation help we need.
Can anyone else think of any other wiring configurations that give isolation using only 36 wires?... please post your ideas and I will try them all and report the results.

Thanks for sharing
Luc

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Dans cet exemple 36 fils suffisent.

En.  In this example, 36 wires is enough
« Last Edit: June 09, 2018, 10:14:39 PM by gotoluc »

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Dans cet exemple 36 fils suffisent.

En.  In this example, 36 wires is enough

Merci de partager vos idées de câblage cheors

Cordialement
Luc

En.  Thanks for sharing your wiring ideas cheors

Regards
Luc

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Désolé, j'ai fait une erreur, il en faut une cinquantaine.

Sorry, i made a mistake, it  takes about 50 wires

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Can anyone else think of any other wiring configurations that give isolation using only 36 wires?... please post your ideas and I will try them all and report the results.

Thanks for sharing
Luc
I forgot original Piere  motor windings. So maybe it not correct. But my example of 36 coils and 6 wires.
But my schematic not shows complete isolation coil from each other, if Piere this mean. It only show, that curent not fly in other coils while in one coil is flying direct curent and BACK EMF curent.


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Luc/Jerdee,


Bias and rotate your coils as I suggested at the end of one of my previous posts:


https://overunity.com/17653/pierres-170w-in-1600w-out-looped-very-impressive-build-continued-moderated/msg522258/#msg522258
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Lastly, see what happens if you extend your single North and South poles in your code above to span half of your rotor, so bias coils 1-15 North, 16-30 South and rotate around.


You do not need to modify your stator for this (leave the current 5 slot coil span). No isolation is required either. All your coils remain in series.


The output waveform will not be a perfect sine, but it should give much better results in terms of the amount of power you can get out of the output coil over a load resistor. Use a load of around 250ohms (adjust it to find optimum power transfer). Frequency should be about 30-50Hz and play with the Vdd bias voltage.


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Hello everyone One of the aspect Pierre show in the video reference from yesterday is the idea the piston he was talking for long time  is the unbalance system, at the end show the nature do the rest maybe the idea of 37 connection is the right one. I will star working in that direction. Thanks.

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We have complete individual H-Bridge control.  We can do any number of H-Bridges in series or parallel, any direction individually or as a group. 30 pins from MCU.  So the number of combinations for switching can be overwhelming. Stator unmodified, coils are still in series 5 slot.

I’d like to report that when you rotate only TWO H-Bridges, Overlap code, N/S, 180º from each other, we can replicate Pierre’s first scope shot.  This is nice to see, but nothing special to report on the output yet.  I’ll leave this to Luc if he wants to share.

I believe we need to very much consider the effects of armature reaction. Review Pierre’s third video at 12 minutes.  Take note of armature position in stator.  30 seconds later you see armature reaction with iron filings.  This distorted field is important. The iron filings show the twisting of the field compared to his armature position. ITS LEADING in the direction of rotation.

Everyone needs to watch this part of the video again.  Study it carefully.
https://youtu.be/OpL0joqJmqY?t=10m20s

The reaction creates a CANCELLATION on the rotor faces.  You have a N/S distorted (twisted) field on one rotor face while the other face is S/N as the rotation continues.  If not controlled correctly, you basically de-magnetize the armature.  THIS WEAKENS THE MAIN FLUX OUTPUT.

Pierre is imitating the mechanical version of an A/C generator as much as he can with his relays.   I don't see any modification on Pierre's rotor iron.   There are many ways to reduce armature reaction.  For example, shaded poles, using leading and trailing pole tips to generate reluctance on opposite ends of rotor face, as well as interpoles to remove distortion. However,  I don't see any one of these being done on his device.  I’m left thinking about how we can get the magnetic flux on the armature by ADJUSTING THE NEUTRAL PLANE!


I don’t have this answer yet, but wouldn’t isolating the coils in the ROTATING FIELD CREATE A NEUTRAL PLANE?  Is the neutral plane simply NO coils in series? 

Hope this is all helpful to others.
Jerdee

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I forgot original Piere  motor windings. So maybe it not correct. But my example of 36 coils and 6 wires.
But my schematic not shows complete isolation coil from each other, if Piere this mean. It only show, that curent not fly in other coils while in one coil is flying direct curent and BACK EMF curent.

Interesting wiring configuration MenofFather

Thanks for sharing
Luc

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We have complete individual H-Bridge control.  We can do any number of H-Bridges in series or parallel, any direction individually or as a group. 30 pins from MCU.  So the number of combinations for switching can be overwhelming. Stator unmodified, coils are still in series 5 slot.

I’d like to report that when you rotate only TWO H-Bridges, Overlap code, N/S, 180º from each other, we can replicate Pierre’s first scope shot.  This is nice to see, but nothing special to report on the output yet.  I’ll leave this to Luc if he wants to share.

Jerdee
Jerdee, can you post a schematic of your H-bridge configuration? If you have 30 full H-bridges and each is connected to a single coil (and all coils are in series like Pierre's original schematic), you would need 60 control lines (30 for Vdd half of bridge and 30 for GND half of bridge) if you want to arbitrarily configure any single coil or any coils in series.

You CAN do it with 30 MCU lines if you change your breadboard wiring for the specific configuration you want.

Anyway, when you talk about rotating only TWO H-bridge above, how many coils did you put in series? Same as your previous experiment?

Have you tried putting 15 coils in series as I described in my previous post? You can do this by rotating one full H-bridge. It will still require 30MCU pins to rotate this one H-bridge over 30 positions.

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Hi everyone
Is that a mistake on the drawing Pierre just put up message 1050?

There are two red arrows circled in yellow, and also to the right of that on bottom of circle he has the small black current flow arrows clashing too.
Seems like one of those red arrows should be blue, pointing in other direction, and the current flow small black arrows corrected.....

I think the "parallel" question is that yes he shows 6 coils in series per pole position, but those six coils will be connected in parallel to the other poles of either N or S poles. (the red arrows indicate current input and direction it comes from and these arrows are not showing the NSNSNS poles to be in series)

It is open question (to me at least) if he connects ALL coils at once, or only energizes the N poles, then the S poles independent..... I would think much better to only energize only the S blue or only the N red poles otherwise you will lose a lot right where the poles meet through canceling.

But I don't know whats going on, since I thought this drawing was for an untested idea he had for a new version...

 

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