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Author Topic: Pierre's 170W in 1600W out Looped Very impressive Build continued & moderated  (Read 184884 times)

Offline T-1000

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I would say to forget about the crawling-rotation of coils always being ON...pulse all the coils you can do in a string ON-OFF give some decent OFF time so the coils can breath stay cool and kick out much better backemff/recoil/flyback....and hopefully thist will include some of the inherent backemf forces too and caps will fill up like crazy.
If your objective is to make pulse transformer that is a way to go...
In generator the magnetic field is always ON from magnets/electromagnets.

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Offline konehead

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Hi Luc
this is an overunity looping electrical device with over1KW of power being produced....so this is something impossible, something that works outside of conventional science and theory so don't expect conventional science and theory to guide you down right path to take...maybe it will to some degree (but I doubt it)...
Use your intuition and common sense!
Everything they teach you in school turns out to be wrong anyways so don't worry about it eh

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Hi T-1000
Sorry but very respectfully to you, I have to disagree
magnets or electromagnets are always "energized" this is true,
but it is their "make and break" reaction to the windings that makes real power in either the flipover of AC happening (NSNS magnet sweep)
or the airgap between magnet-sweep in N-N-N-N magmet rotor creating make and break situation ...
for example shoving strong magnet one direction over very long coil makes nothing but eddy current reaction...move that magnet back and forth now you get something.


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Hi Luc
this is an overunity looping electrical device with over1KW of power being produced....so this is something impossible, something that works outside of conventional science and theory so don't expect conventional science and theory to guide you down right path to take...maybe it will to some degree (but I doubt it)...
Use your intuition and common sense!
Everything they teach you in school turns out to be wrong anyways so don't worry about it eh


No the device operates within conventional science we just don’t understand the mechanism yet. Anything else is pseudo science.


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Here is a questions I think everyone can answer here. 

Do you ever see overlapped field poles on a DC or AC generator?
 
So why the heck are we connecting 5/6 coils in series to create our POLE?  Hopefully this is more clear and why this direction needs to be resolved.  Pierre's stator is nothing more than rotating field poles. As long as you keep the poles opposite from each other on the armature, your fine.  So the slot spacing per coil is your POLE width as well as it determines your opposing location on the armature!  Another words, you can not create this device with 5 poles.  You can do it with 2 or 6....but not 3 or 5 poles. 

Hopefully this is making sense. 

Jerdee

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Hi L192
OK sorry let me re-phrase a bit;
It (probably) does not work with conventional scientific understanding!
It certainly would be nice if it did .... maybe it will who knows.

Pseudo science could also be called theories requiring proof

Even Pierre says he does not understand how it works and would like to know


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Here is a questions I think everyone can answer here. 

Do you ever see overlapped field poles on a DC or AC generator?
 
So why the heck are we connecting 5/6 coils in series to create our POLE?  Hopefully this is more clear and why this direction needs to be resolved.  Pierre's stator is nothing more than rotating field poles. As long as you keep the poles opposite from each other on the armature, your fine.  So the slot spacing per coil is your POLE width as well as it determines your opposing location on the armature!  Another words, you can not create this device with 5 poles.  You can do it with 2 or 6....but not 3 or 5 poles. 

Hopefully this is making sense. 

Jerdee


No you don’t because 3 phases are the most you would see on a 30 slot stator not 6 phases. Much current is also used on coils that are not in rotor registration and are performing no useful work.


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Offline jerdee

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No you don’t because 3 phases are the most you would see on a 30 slot stator not 6 phases. Much current is also used on coils that are not in rotor registration and are performing no useful work.


L192


I respectfully dissagree.  I never said 6 phases either.  The rotational field poles on the stator are acting like magnets moving across the armature.  That is it...don't overcomplicate.

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You said overlapped field poles not coils. A 3 phase generator will largely not have overlapping poles but will have overlapping coils to develop the sine wave (distributed windings). No over complication just how it is.. and please don’t tell me to keep it simple again because your keep it simple ideas have yielded nothing of value so far.


If you have something to say just say it plainly or not at all.


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... I'm interested in testing bucking coils and a momentary shut off of one field side to create a dis-balance.  So as you can see we still many option variations to test and peoples suggestions are also welcomed since it looks like I may be the only one with a device that can be tested without switching issues.

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Luc

Bonjour Luc,

d'abord merci de prendre la peine de publier les vidéos des tests.

Je voudrais donc faire une suggestion : il me semble que vous pouvons facilement, avec six diodes seulement, neutraliser les champs de polarité opposée. C'est à dire, obtenir seulement 3 champs tournants négatifs, ou 3 champs tournants positifs, en fonction de l'orientation des 6 diodes.
Si cela fonctionne comme je le pense, cela supprimerait les polarités opposées entre les diverses bobines du stator, donc uniquement 3 champs tournants de même polarité, et espacées.
Ainsi, aux extrémités du rotor, nous devrions avoir des champs opposés de même polarité, variables et en alternance, susceptibles de fournir la puissance.
Nous nous approchons alors des descriptions les plus récentes du générateur de Figuera.
Dans l'image, les six diodes en bleu sont positionnées directement entre deux bobines, uniformément réparties.

MichelM

En.  Hello Luc,

first, thank you for taking the time to publish the videos of your tests.

So I would like to make a suggestion: it seems to me that we could easily neutralize the fields of opposite polarity with only six diodes. That is, to obtain only 3 negative rotating fields, or 3 positive rotating fields, depending on the orientation of the 6 diodes.
If this works as I think, it would remove the opposite polarities between the various stator coils, so only 3 rotating fields of the same polarity and spaced apart.
Thus, at the rotor ends we should have opposite fields of the same polarity, variable and alternating, capable of providing power.
We are then approaching the most recent descriptions of the Figuera generator.
In the image, the six diodes in blue are positioned directly between two coils, evenly distributed.

MichelM
« Last Edit: June 06, 2018, 11:32:18 PM by gotoluc »

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Thank you MichelM for sharing your idea which we will look over and consider.

Regards
Luc


Fr. Merci MichelM pour avoir partagé votre idée que nous allons examiner et considérer.

Cordialement
Luc

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Nous nous approchons alors des descriptions les plus récentes du générateur de Figuera.

En.  Hello Luc,
We are then approaching the most recent descriptions of the Figuera generator.
MichelM

This is my wild idea and only a suggestion . How to solve it technically is a different matter. Not yet considered. :

From post; https://overunity.com/17609/170-watts-in-1600-watts-out-looped-very-impressive-build-and-video/msg517907/#msg517907

PIC 1  : "When ONE magnet pole passes by a coil core we get ONE FULL SINUS ! With TWO magnet poles (same polarity N-N or S-S) ==> TWO SINUS"

    "Quand UN pôle d'aimant passe par un noyau de bobine nous obtenons UN SINUS COMPLET! Avec DEUX pôles d'aimant (même polarité N-N ou S-S) ==>
     DEUX SINUS"

PIC 2  : As Figuera;  Only one sort of magnetic pole passing the each end of the fixed output coil.
With this concept the magnetic rotation only have to be 10Hz giving 60 Hz out.

    Comme Figuera; Une seule sorte de pôle magnétique passe à chaque extrémité de la bobine de sortie fixe.
    Avec ce concept, la rotation magnétique ne doit être que de 10 Hz pour 60 Hz.

P.S. reference: https://overunity.com/17609/170-watts-in-1600-watts-out-looped-very-impressive-build-and-video/msg518160/#msg518160
https://overunity.com/17609/170-watts-in-1600-watts-out-looped-very-impressive-build-and-video/msg518221/#msg518221
https://overunity.com/17609/170-watts-in-1600-watts-out-looped-very-impressive-build-and-video/msg518328/#msg518328

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Here is a questions I think everyone can answer here. 

Do you ever see overlapped field poles on a DC or AC generator?
 
So why the heck are we connecting 5/6 coils in series to create our POLE?  Hopefully this is more clear and why this direction needs to be resolved.  Pierre's stator is nothing more than rotating field poles. As long as you keep the poles opposite from each other on the armature, your fine.  So the slot spacing per coil is your POLE width as well as it determines your opposing location on the armature!  Another words, you can not create this device with 5 poles.  You can do it with 2 or 6....but not 3 or 5 poles. 

Hopefully this is making sense. 

Jerdee
Hi Jerdee,

The way the fields are mixed isn't by just simple superposition (i.e. addition) of the fields. To have more energy out than spent to make the field it has to become coherent like done in LASER light. That way the waves don't ride through each other like two beams of light crossing but becomes a new single wave representing the addition before doing the squaring (coherent instead of simple superposition). Normally to make the separate waves become a single coherent wave the single waves has to mixed in a nonlinear media. Else the waves just slip apart or ride through each other which is normal superposition or interference. The question then is: Is the core working around the point of magnetic saturation?

My guess is that Pierre's device actually manages to mix or merge the separate fields of each coil into a new coherent field that doesn't slip apart. The ratios of energy then becomes:

Input energy: 12 + 12 + 12 + 12 + 12 + 12 = 6
Output energy: (1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1)2 = 36

Or actually it's 12 coils (six coils in each end) giving the difference in energy levels of 12 times:
Input energy: 12
Output energy: 122 = 144

This is just my guess. The ratio will have to be measured.

Regards
Ole

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Message from Pierre

bonjour a tous!... imaginé toute les possibilité avec cette méthode et ne vous fier pas a mon dessin en passant que c'est le secret, ce n'est qu'un exemple pour vous aider un peut.  il y a de nombreuse possibilité de filer les bobines avec cette image. a vous de voir pour la suite et encore une fois ne penser pas que c'est le secret, il y a vraiment plus que cela. vous avez la rotation mais il y a beaucoup d'autre chose de cacher dans le dz. a vous de voir la suite .
pierre c.

En. Hello everyone!... imagine all the possibilities with this method and do not rely on my drawing thinking it's the secret. This is only an example to help you a little. There's numerous possibilities in wiring the coils with this image. It's up to you to see how it's completed and again don't think this is the secret, there's really a lot more than just this. You have the rotation but there's a lot more hidden things in the dz.  It's up to you to envision the rest.
Pierre C.

Text  translation in picture:  you don't need 72 relays to power all the coils

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I'm sure Pmgr EE Theory is correct but I'm interested in physical results. So why is it not working out that way in the real physical tests?

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Luc
You are doing your measurements way past the cut-off frequency of the rotor/stator steel. Do a measurement of the output voltage at something like 30-50Hz with the new thinner output rotor coil and see what voltage you get.
PmgR

 

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