With respect to patenting a device if you post it OPEN SOURCE free to the world can others patent your device?
Yes they can.Oh come on the Arduino device isn't exactly the bees knees idea of free energy if your not in the trade all the bits are going to cost you a fortune and it has a high maintenance cost (i wouldn't solder the relays in), not to mention it's not 'relay' ;D exactly pocket portable. The only thing you can say about it is, it's the first device to be shown on here, other than the Lithuanian experiment if that ;D
It's a first in,best dressed situation.
The only time you cannot patent a device,is if there is a device the same already patented.
I believe in order to patent a similar device,there must be a 30% change in design of the device,but it may achieve the same outcome.
It is already discovered.It's magnetic field. Magnetic field is OU all the time, the problem is only with devices to tap it.
You would think that an open source forum would have answers for this ?
Re patenting of OU ?
going to the patent office with a true OU device would be like ...
handing a man a stick to beat you with
a true OU device would get the security risk treatment .
however there must be a venue for open source protection ,what do all the Arduino and similar open source guys do ...or any joint open source projects ??
are scuzzy persons running to patent the work of the collective ?? [I seriously doubt that , but I could be naive...
must be a solution there ?
maybe PM Stefan ?
we need a solution here ,since patents really aren't our forte and trying to patent a true OU device
is just handing them a stick to beat you with at the patent office.
respectfully
Chet K
The problem is it's a petro dollar economy, know in the west, however a gold backed economy has always ended in tragedy in the east, so try it and see how far you get!
With respect to patenting a device if you post it OPEN SOURCE free to the world can others patent your device?Technically they can not. Any images or descriptions you post would be considered prior art and should stop the device from being patented by anyone.
Might there be a SAFE way to profit from a perpetual motion device without meeting your maker in the process? If so, step by step info would help. PLEASE NOTE: I have not succeeded yet.
Might there be a SAFE way to profit from a perpetual motion device without meeting your maker in the process? If so, step by step info would help. PLEASE NOTE: I have not succeeded yet.
With respect to patenting a device if you post it OPEN SOURCE free to the world can others patent your device?
You want to profit? Bad idea, greed will get you at the end.
You want to give it away? They will get you at the end.
But do not be afraid, nothing will happen, because it will be a self delusion.
A perpetuum mobile (a OU device) would eventually lead to self destruction. It would be a runaway process, like a supernova or less spectacular, at least like an explosion. So, hope that you never find it. You would just cause a small, medium or big bang. But even the runaway processes are not OU.
Why don't you accept the sun as your only available OU device. It is OU for whatever matters. The sun will burn for another 6 billion years. Everybody can see the sun and may use it.
Greetings, Conrad
Might there be a SAFE way to profit from a perpetual motion device without meeting your maker in the process? If so, step by step info would help. PLEASE NOTE: I have not succeeded yet.Sure. Market you device as highly efficient, not perpetual. Let your clients find out for themselves that the device they purchased works for ever. When they see that your device doesn't stop so be it. Tell them you knew it was efficient and marketed it as such.
Sure. Market you device as highly efficient, not perpetual. Let your clients find out for themselves that the device they purchased works for ever. When they see that your device doesn't stop so be it. Tell them you knew it was efficient and marketed it as such.
Smoky
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Placing a device into commercial use makes it ineligible for patent
under U.S. patent law.
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do you have more "legaleeeze/info on this?
and what it would look like here?
so as to be rock solid against theft from Lurkers...
sorry I don't understand this
Smoky
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Placing a device into commercial use makes it ineligible for patent
under U.S. patent law.
end quote
do you have more "legaleeeze/info on this?
and what it would look like here?
so as to be rock solid against theft from Lurkers...
sorry I don't understand this
When I studied more than 20 years before the international magnetic field research and development results I also studied the patent archive documents and saw there also this document,which internal description disclosed a gate to Fin<Fout:
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?FT=D&date=19790215&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1&ND=4# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?FT=D&date=19790215&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1&ND=4#)...
When I studied more than 20 years before the international magnetic field research and development results I also studied the patent archive documents and saw there also this document,which internal description disclosed a gate to Fin<Fout:
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?FT=D&date=19790215&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1&ND=4# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?FT=D&date=19790215&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1&ND=4#)
http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2733719&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en (http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2733719&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en)
If in a conventional generator the field strength B, the length of its conductors is denoted by L and the current flowing through by I, the magnitude of the counterforce F exerted on the conductor and thus on the shaft is F = BLI.
If the field strength of the electrical device 2B, the length of its conductor is L and only flows through a current whose magnitude corresponds to half of the current flowing in the generator, the force exerted on the armature F '= 2B x L x 1 = LI. 2
This shows that the force exerted on the armature of the electrical device and thus on the driving shaft is equal to the counterforce exerted on the shaft by the conventional generator. The force is generated to act in such a direction as to compensate for the counterforce. A slightly stronger current flow provides the required torque at the shaft. Therefore, the shaft and thus the armature are moved and generate electrical energy.
To let this half current flow through the electrical device, half of the generator voltage is required. Thus 1/4 of the power generated is lost to counteract the deceleration force. The remaining 3/4 of the energy produced or a little less of it is available for external consume.
This technical disclosure about actio/reactio force treatment shows the OU-effect.
Newton/Newtonmeter inside : Force-Energy-Work
Thanks for the info. Are there any images that go along with the patent? I am unable to imagine what it is without some images. Thanks for any info.
SmOky2
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If Overunity.com we’re to create a corporate structure,
essentially everything here will be covered under those laws
because this forum is the “prior use”.
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IMO we need to Look at how to do this
and members from around the globe need to get involved too [their countries and laws
if there is a legitimate "transaction" that could take place to nullify the Patent option.
How wonderful that would be for open source .
However ,we know how scuzzy the system can be.....as Erfinder mentioned
don't hand it to them all wrapped up with a bow.
and there could be loop holes .............?
or in the case of a true OU device ...give the Patent office a chance to seize such a device
[I believe there are close to 6000 such seizures in US alone [for Err .....national security }
can one person selling to another be considered a transaction or business deal [under Patent law ??
could a receipt or sales slip be enuff evidence of a transaction? [kept on file somewhere?
an Ebay sale??
just kicken this around
"Might there be a SAFE way to profit from a perpetual motion device without meeting your maker in the process."