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Author Topic: Posting an open source device for free to the world.  (Read 5468 times)

Offline profitis

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2018, 08:37:48 PM »
"Might there be a SAFE way to profit from a
perpetual motion device without meeting your
maker in the process"

these giant corporations and the small guy from down the road do it all the time.do not use the words 'perpetual motion'

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2018, 08:45:18 PM »
Smoky
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Placing a device into commercial use makes it ineligible for patent
under U.S. patent law.
end quote

do you have more "legaleeeze/info on this?
and what it would look like here?
so as to be rock solid against theft from Lurkers...

sorry I don't understand this


Belfor provided some good references if you are in Europe
or other countries in Asia/Africa


Here in the U.S., the definition of ‘Commercial Use’ is fairly broad
basically any purpose for which a business can demonstrate profit/savings
or any essential function being performed within their corporate structure.


Obama recently overhauled the laws in this area, allowing applications
within the first year of invention.
During this time, patent applications should be monitored to discover anyone
trying to claim your invention.
If they do, basically LET THEM! They will pay the costs for you, and you simply
bring your evidence to court and show that the invention is rightfully yours.
They will award the patent to YOU!! And not the entity that spent their $$ on it.
If 1 yr goes by, it is ineligible.
It is still ineligible under the corporate use clause because that clause was not removed.
So, if you choose, you can interupt their patent process by filing an objection based on
the prior use.
https://www.uspto.gov/sites/default/files/aia_implementation/20120113-pur_report.pdf


In any case, prior use allows you to continue to own/use the technology
as long as you maintain the corporate structure under which it is used.
(this applies to people that incorporate themselves)


In the event a patent manages to slip through the cracks
it is not enforceable upon those in possession of the technology
so long as it’s ‘doing something’ for their corporate structure.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/35/273


Offline sm0ky2

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2018, 08:47:41 PM »
If Overunity.com we’re to create a corporate structure,
essentially everything here will be covered under those laws
because this forum is the “prior use”.




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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2018, 08:47:41 PM »
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Offline profitis

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2018, 09:41:15 PM »
"Might there be a SAFE way to profit from a
perpetual motion device without meeting your
maker in the process?"

its hugely advantageous if you manage to team up with a large corporation on your project and come under THEIR protection umbrella BEFORE the nsa cliks on your ass because then youre graduate from unpredictable loner to a "research & developer/assistant"

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2018, 04:45:06 AM »
When I studied more than 20 years before the international magnetic field research and development results I also studied the patent archive documents and saw there also this document,which internal description disclosed a gate to Fin<Fout:
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?FT=D&date=19790215&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1&ND=4#...

Thanks for the info. Are there any images that go along with the patent? I am unable to imagine what it is without some images. Thanks for any info.

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
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Offline sm0ky2

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #35 on: March 17, 2018, 09:17:44 AM »
When I studied more than 20 years before the international magnetic field research and development results I also studied the patent archive documents and saw there also this document,which internal description disclosed a gate to Fin<Fout:
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?FT=D&date=19790215&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1&ND=4#

http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2733719&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en

If in a conventional generator the field strength B, the length of its conductors is denoted by L and the current flowing through by I, the magnitude of the counterforce F exerted on the conductor and thus on the shaft is F = BLI.

If the field strength of the electrical device 2B, the length of its conductor is L and only flows through a current whose magnitude corresponds to half of the current flowing in the generator, the force exerted on the armature F '= 2B x L x 1 = LI. 2
 This shows that the force exerted on the armature of the electrical device and thus on the driving shaft is equal to the counterforce exerted on the shaft by the conventional generator. The force is generated to act in such a direction as to compensate for the counterforce. A slightly stronger current flow provides the required torque at the shaft. Therefore, the shaft and thus the armature are moved and generate electrical energy.

To let this half current flow through the electrical device, half of the generator voltage is required. Thus 1/4 of the power generated is lost to counteract the deceleration force. The remaining 3/4 of the energy produced or a little less of it is available for external consume.


This technical disclosure about actio/reactio force treatment shows the OU-effect.
                       Newton/Newtonmeter inside : Force-Energy-Work


The original QuMoGen from 1977


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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2018, 01:21:00 PM »
If a Qumogen will become something like Hector´s "rotating transverter"(physical incorporation from
rotoverter and transverter method ) then "yes!"

Only the generator rotor in relation to the stator is here rotating,the motor stator and rotor are physically fixed to the generator rotor shaft !

The motor is now more in a rotative counterforce electro-magnet function,as controle element.

Lenz and Fleming rules on one shaft.

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2018, 01:21:00 PM »
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Offline lancaIV

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2018, 05:10:57 PM »
Thanks for the info. Are there any images that go along with the patent? I am unable to imagine what it is without some images. Thanks for any info.

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/mosaics?CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=4&date=19790215&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #38 on: March 23, 2018, 09:28:16 AM »
SmOky2
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If Overunity.com we’re to create a corporate structure,
essentially everything here will be covered under those laws
because this forum is the “prior use”.

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IMO we need to Look at how to do this

and members from around the globe need to get involved too [their countries and laws

if there is a legitimate "transaction" that could take place to nullify  the Patent option.

How wonderful that would be for open source .
However ,we know how scuzzy the system can be.....as Erfinder mentioned
don't hand it to them all wrapped up with a bow.
and there could be loop holes .............?

or in the case of a true OU device ...give the Patent office a chance to seize such a device
[I believe there are close to 6000 such seizures in US alone [for Err .....national security }
 
can one person selling to another be considered a transaction or business deal [under Patent law ??

could a receipt or sales slip be enuff evidence of a transaction? [kept on file somewhere?
an Ebay sale??

just kicken this around


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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #38 on: March 23, 2018, 09:28:16 AM »
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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #39 on: March 23, 2018, 10:59:55 AM »
SmOky2
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If Overunity.com we’re to create a corporate structure,
essentially everything here will be covered under those laws
because this forum is the “prior use”.

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IMO we need to Look at how to do this

and members from around the globe need to get involved too [their countries and laws

if there is a legitimate "transaction" that could take place to nullify  the Patent option.

How wonderful that would be for open source .
However ,we know how scuzzy the system can be.....as Erfinder mentioned
don't hand it to them all wrapped up with a bow.
and there could be loop holes .............?

or in the case of a true OU device ...give the Patent office a chance to seize such a device
[I believe there are close to 6000 such seizures in US alone [for Err .....national security }
 
can one person selling to another be considered a transaction or business deal [under Patent law ??

could a receipt or sales slip be enuff evidence of a transaction? [kept on file somewhere?
an Ebay sale??

just kicken this around

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-08/congratulations-your-genius-patent-is-now-a-military-secret

Funny how national security always demands that you give your rights away. Boeing, Lockeed-martin and Raytheon excecs make millions in bonuses and the marine with a sick mother stands in guard of the labs&hangars. Somehow national security only benefits some people.

Khron said in -62 that his network analyzer would run on its own after it was started:

http://www.cheniere.org/misc/kron.htm

If the military is not giving this shit to people, then who's military is it then?

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #40 on: March 23, 2018, 01:57:55 PM »
From many posts concerning "how to give the world free energy" I see a deep confusion:

1) Do you want to make money from your invention or discovery?

Then you have to file a patent and you seek investors and you do all the things people are doing when "doing business". Of course, you might not succeed, as most of the people do not succeed in this world. (Remember, only a few become rich, most stay poor and some just survive a little bit better than others.)

You also fall in this category of people if you think that you are entitled to get money for your invention. Or if you think that you should just get a handsome sum for your efforts.

It also does not help if you argue that the patent system is bad and that you just want to sell something great to the world because you are such a good guy.

Whatever is your criticism of the world, as long as you want money or compensation, you are in line with "the business world", no matter how you hide it or how much you think you are better or different.

2) You want to give your invention or discovery away for free?

Well, where is the problem, just give.

If you are afraid that it will be suppressed, give it away over the internet world wide. Nobody has power over every country. Of course, others will profit. But that is what you want.

But I am absolutely sure that nobody who really has something good wants to give it away for free and will utter and stammer thousands of excuses for wanting to profit.

So, good people make your choice! Are you just like me or are you the messias?

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #41 on: March 23, 2018, 03:00:38 PM »
Conrad
Surely you would not imply that your [or our] need for wealth could survive the cost to human life ?


you better take a long look in the mirror and ask yourself that question ,make sure you look in the eyes

is Stefan the messiah ?
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Offline sm0ky2

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #42 on: March 23, 2018, 03:23:15 PM »
If you are after money, this is certainly the wrong field of work for you.
There is no profit in “free energy”, otherwise it is not “free”.


This is our dilemma


If you want to sell your device for a profit, stand in line behind the
already successful power conglomerates.


You’re in the wrong place here.

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #43 on: March 24, 2018, 01:52:26 PM »
Conrad,
most part of the consumer-world is a "ready2use/drop-away" society !

They would neither prefer a FE-device kit-solution nor a DIY-plan !
 
Your meant clients which have got the minimal skills and tools/work-bench at home make probably only 1% from  the total energy market !

How many homeowners has their own solar plant self-built/connected and installed ?
                                                        aero-gen

90% of the "renewable energy market" is often 100%-credit financed,without all the industrial normations and warranties and under -strict- finance law and order conditions probably we would only have 1/10 of the installed GW worldwide !



How many energy user have quality trust in their own skills ?
How many can re-/wind a motor/generator/transformator coil ?

Where is today a professional electric appliances repair shop to find ,urban/rural zone ?

How good is the work of a professional electrician who shall repair/change FE device pieces ?!

All the pro/contra arguments for "open source" or "comercial right applying"
are "case a.,b.,...-related,
for example "comercial right" give you the possibilty to initiate a
"co-operative"/Genossenschaft,
where the interest is to serve the co-operative-members

f.e. to get 50% and more gross buying discount
f.e. to let machine special pieces,where the middle price for 100 would be 5$,for 1000 only 1$

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #44 on: March 24, 2018, 03:31:05 PM »

If you are putting some thing into the public domain, and you don't
adequately describe just what that some thing is.....  Well .....
You may not have protected it (in the interest of national security / global security)
from exclusive possession by folks that's more based in  fear and divisiveness.

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