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Author Topic: Posting an open source device for free to the world.  (Read 5462 times)

Offline Belfior

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2018, 11:09:41 PM »
You would think that an open source forum would have answers for this ?
Re patenting of OU ?
going to the patent office with a true OU device would be like ...

handing a man a stick to beat you with

a true OU device would get the security risk treatment  .

however there must be a venue for open source protection ,what do all the Arduino and similar open source guys do ...or any joint open source projects ??

are scuzzy persons running to patent the work of the collective ?? [I seriously doubt that , but I could be naive...

must be a solution there ?
maybe PM Stefan ?


we need a solution here ,since patents really aren't our forte and trying to patent a true OU device
is just handing them a stick to beat you with at the patent office.

respectfully
Chet K

The thing is that you are not supposed to walk to a patent office with an invention, that can save this planet. You are supposed to publish it in every possible media. That is the only way.

Write a book, get a Nobel, go to Oprah and sell some DVDs. There is plenty of money to be made. Just don't be foolish enough to try to patent free energy

@ conradelektro

Patent patent patent. The only word between us and salvation. Why do you think there is a patent office? Free energy leads to anti-gravity. Patent the flying saucer, but give the free energy to free people.

We need a movement with some momentum, and the truth will get out.

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Offline Belfior

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2018, 11:34:12 PM »
The problem is it's a petro dollar economy, know in the west, however a gold backed economy has always ended in tragedy in the east, so try it and see how far you get!

That is just one thing. It is a big thing and something w should all be afraid of. Energy in any monetized form is a form of slavery.

How about food and medicine? They could raise the food prices right now and we would have to accept that. You have a cow in your flat? I don't. Doctors do not tell you how to not get sick. They manage your sickness with drugs. Just watched a documentary where ATF destroyed tons of drugs, because the were taken from drug dealers. I don't mean heroin, but pain killers. That was pretty interesting... So the drug company makes money regardles of where to shit ends up? They should ship those drugs to Africa for free.

I seriously think that we need to find free energy fast, or there will be nothing left. There are shelters for the rich and important, but I don't think I'm on that list :(




Offline MagnaProp

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2018, 06:55:44 AM »
With respect to patenting a device if you post it OPEN SOURCE free to the world can others patent your device?
Technically they can not. Any images or descriptions you post would be considered prior art and should stop the device from being patented by anyone.

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2018, 06:55:44 AM »
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Offline blueplanet

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2018, 09:52:52 AM »
I have no idea why you guys are worried so much about patenting. Patenting does not necessarily means commercialization. It is just a symbolic price tag which makes sure your idea will never get undersold. Tesla patented all his inventions but this does not necessarily means he was greedy. Marconi patented his work simply because he needed to make his technology available to the world.  On the other hand, if these great people did not patent any of their ideas, nobody would care to treasure their contribution.


In my case, I have published a technology under the affiliation of[size=78%] a university. The technology was already made available in the public domain. In theory, if I did not do anything, the employees of the university could have taken over my work and applied for funding.  However, after I left the university, I was specifically told by my new funding body to patent the technology so that my previous employer (i.e. the university) could not derive further benefits from my work. [/size]
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Patenting is one of easiest ways to publish your work in the public domain and this way of publishing comes with a protection that enable you to continue your research.  [/size]






Offline lancaIV

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2018, 01:25:56 PM »
"patenting" means at first only : publishing,without positive or negative meanings !

There is the possibilty to apply the work result without approval interests,
your work will become published under "open source" condition = without comercial rights and limitations,but there has to be the knowledge about the patent archive content that existent comercial patent rights anywhere in the WIPO-world are not injured,
cause if then the claim applyer will get informed about comercial rights infringement !

I do not think that the "free available energy generator"(including all kinds of energy converter) will
change greatly our comercial society,
cause there are sufficient <10Cents/KWh energy converter
and cause energy content in our economy is less than 10% !

The mostly part of our economy is personal "head costs" oriented,
bringing these down is more 3d printing and 24/365 C.N.C.-C.I.M. production related !

Who really wants to make a change need to transform his idea and solution C.A.D.-ready,
digitize 4d-formal your functional prototype and give this information downloadable for free !

C.A.D.-2-C.N.C and C.N.C.-Printer head. In computer numeric language

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2018, 01:25:56 PM »
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Offline magnetman12003

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2018, 10:33:57 PM »
Might there be a SAFE way to profit from a perpetual motion device without meeting your maker in the process?  If so, step by step info would help.   PLEASE NOTE: I have not succeeded yet.

Offline Belfior

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2018, 12:10:10 AM »
Might there be a SAFE way to profit from a perpetual motion device without meeting your maker in the process?  If so, step by step info would help.   PLEASE NOTE: I have not succeeded yet.

Well here is the deal. Energy is a multi-trillion dollar business. Every year. If you come up with the device that gives it for free, you don't have much options. You sell it to them and STFU, or you die (you will actually probably die still...). Who honestly thinks for one second that they would let you live with that invention? They use that money to keep themselves in power and you think killing people is something they would not do?

So in my opinion you gotta make it so, that killing you is just another extra cost. Because the bottom line is what they understand. Nothing else. If it is cheaper to let you live, then they will choose that. That means you go all out. Publish it in every known and unknown media. Do captions in hindi and post it to YouTube. 2 billion people from India are harder to kill.

They can continue this shit on another planet. It has been a good run, but it is time to move to another planet to exploit the locals. I am not even kidding. If this was found first time a hundred years ago, then the are already moved on to other planets.

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
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Offline conradelektro

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2018, 12:50:21 AM »
Might there be a SAFE way to profit from a perpetual motion device without meeting your maker in the process?  If so, step by step info would help.   PLEASE NOTE: I have not succeeded yet.

You want to profit? Bad idea, greed will get you at the end.

You want to give it away? They will get you at the end.

But do not be afraid, nothing will happen, because it will be a self delusion.

A perpetuum mobile (a OU device) would eventually lead to self destruction. It would be a runaway process, like a supernova or less spectacular, at least like an explosion. So, hope that you never find it. You would just cause a small, medium or big bang. But even the runaway processes are not OU.

Why don't you accept the sun as your only available OU device. It is OU for whatever matters. The sun will burn for another 6 billion years. Everybody can see the sun and may use it.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2018, 04:31:40 AM »
With respect to patenting a device if you post it OPEN SOURCE free to the world can others patent your device?


The best defense against someone else patenting your device
Is the “Commercial Use” clause.


Placing a device into commercial use makes it ineligible for patent
under U.S. patent law.


It can power an office computer or a desk lamp, or use in production
of secondary products.


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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
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Offline Belfior

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2018, 09:04:20 AM »
You want to profit? Bad idea, greed will get you at the end.

You want to give it away? They will get you at the end.

But do not be afraid, nothing will happen, because it will be a self delusion.

A perpetuum mobile (a OU device) would eventually lead to self destruction. It would be a runaway process, like a supernova or less spectacular, at least like an explosion. So, hope that you never find it. You would just cause a small, medium or big bang. But even the runaway processes are not OU.

Why don't you accept the sun as your only available OU device. It is OU for whatever matters. The sun will burn for another 6 billion years. Everybody can see the sun and may use it.

Greetings, Conrad

There is no naturally occurring continuous OU. That would lead to runaway energy accumulation and this universe would be gone. Nothing man made is perpetual, so problem solved.

You can always take the discussion to the "perpetuum mobile level", but that does not help anybody. I can call it "Less Than OU" or "Not free at all" if I don't have to charge my electric car for 10 years. Then I buy new magnets and I go for another 10 years. That is not free and that is not perpetuum, but I would take it gladly.

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2018, 09:10:38 AM »
Might there be a SAFE way to profit from a perpetual motion device without meeting your maker in the process?  If so, step by step info would help.   PLEASE NOTE: I have not succeeded yet.
Sure. Market you device as highly efficient, not perpetual. Let your clients find out for themselves that the device they purchased works for ever. When they see that your device doesn't stop so be it. Tell them you knew it was efficient and marketed it as such.

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2018, 09:14:28 AM »
Sure. Market you device as highly efficient, not perpetual. Let your clients find out for themselves that the device they purchased works for ever. When they see that your device doesn't stop so be it. Tell them you knew it was efficient and marketed it as such.

These devices seem to take 9-12V DC to start. Just put a solar panel on it and say it is a solar power generator. It will run self sufficient after it has started, but you can say it is a solar generator

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2018, 11:47:46 AM »
Smoky
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Placing a device into commercial use makes it ineligible for patent
under U.S. patent law.
end quote

do you have more "legaleeeze/info on this?
and what it would look like here?
so as to be rock solid against theft from Lurkers...

sorry I don't understand this

Offline Belfior

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2018, 11:52:26 AM »
Smoky
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Placing a device into commercial use makes it ineligible for patent
under U.S. patent law.
end quote

do you have more "legaleeeze/info on this?
and what it would look like here?
so as to be rock solid against theft from Lurkers...

sorry I don't understand this

chapter 13 from http://www.wipo.int/edocs/mdocs/patent_policy/en/scp_20/scp_20_3.pdf

http://www.wipo.int/meetings/en/doc_details.jsp?doc_id=256317

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Re: Posting an open source device for free to the world.
« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2018, 12:50:16 PM »
When I studied more than 20 years before the international magnetic field research and development results I also studied the patent archive documents and saw there also this document,which internal description disclosed a gate to Fin<Fout:
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?FT=D&date=19790215&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1&ND=4#

http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2733719&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en

If in a conventional generator the field strength B, the length of its conductors is denoted by L and the current flowing through by I, the magnitude of the counterforce F exerted on the conductor and thus on the shaft is F = BLI.

If the field strength of the electrical device 2B, the length of its conductor is L and only flows through a current whose magnitude corresponds to half of the current flowing in the generator, the force exerted on the armature F '= 2B x L x 1 = LI. 2
 This shows that the force exerted on the armature of the electrical device and thus on the driving shaft is equal to the counterforce exerted on the shaft by the conventional generator. The force is generated to act in such a direction as to compensate for the counterforce. A slightly stronger current flow provides the required torque at the shaft. Therefore, the shaft and thus the armature are moved and generate electrical energy.

To let this half current flow through the electrical device, half of the generator voltage is required. Thus 1/4 of the power generated is lost to counteract the deceleration force. The remaining 3/4 of the energy produced or a little less of it is available for external consume.


This technical disclosure about actio/reactio force treatment shows the OU-effect.
                       Newton/Newtonmeter inside : Force-Energy-Work

 

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