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Earl

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12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #555 on: November 09, 2007, 09:08:13 PM »
For the builders and simulators:

I would like you to try "Earl's Idea".

This idea comes from analogical comparison to electrical circuits.
The traditional double axis oscillator is what an EE would call "single-ended".  It needs an electrical point as reference, usually ground.  The mechanical circuit is the same; it needs a point of reference, for example a metal frame or the ground.

My idea is to turn this "single-ended" mechanical mechanism into what an EE would call "differential or push-pull".  For the same output impedance, a differential circuit has twice the amplitude and 4 times the output power as a single-ended.

This means no mechanical reference more. You need two arms oscillating 180 degrees out of phase, and of course the same phase offset for the two pendulums or unbalanced discs.  My EE bones say that two continually rotating discs, each with a weight on the circumference, would be better than pendulums.  Pendulums need gravity, rotating unbalanced discs should not need gravity.

The two discs/pendulums are on the same end; when one is going up, the other is going down.  The power output is taken only between the two moving arms at some point along their length.

The two arms are only connected at their common pivot point, each on its own ball bearing.  This would be a convenient point to fix the two bearings together and to attach the whole machine to a suspension frame which rests on the ground.

The input power would be to 2 electromagnets, each fixed on one arm pulsing each disc / pendulum.  Output power would be for example a water compressor connected by very flexible tubing.

Instead of one arm being referenced to a fixed environment, the two arms are now only referenced to each other.  This is the reason for the term differential.  Who knows, this machine might be able to function (with rotating unbalanced discs) just as well laying on its side or in outer space?  It seems to me that such a machine might be independent of gravity.

What do you think?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #556 on: November 09, 2007, 09:21:06 PM »
G'day Earl,

You mean something like this perhaps?

(http://www.keelytech.com/news/oscillations/harness.gif)

Hans von Lieven

For more information on this device http://www.keelytech.com/news.html and follow the link.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #557 on: November 10, 2007, 01:21:03 AM »
For the builders and simulators:

I would like you to try "Earl's Idea".

This idea comes from analogical comparison to electrical circuits.
The traditional double axis oscillator is what an EE would call "single-ended".  It needs an electrical point as reference, usually ground.  The mechanical circuit is the same; it needs a point of reference, for example a metal frame or the ground.

My idea is to turn this "single-ended" mechanical mechanism into what an EE would call "differential or push-pull".  For the same output impedance, a differential circuit has twice the amplitude and 4 times the output power as a single-ended.

This means no mechanical reference more. You need two arms oscillating 180 degrees out of phase, and of course the same phase offset for the two pendulums or unbalanced discs.  My EE bones say that two continually rotating discs, each with a weight on the circumference, would be better than pendulums.  Pendulums need gravity, rotating unbalanced discs should not need gravity.

The two discs/pendulums are on the same end; when one is going up, the other is going down.  The power output is taken only between the two moving arms at some point along their length.

The two arms are only connected at their common pivot point, each on its own ball bearing.  This would be a convenient point to fix the two bearings together and to attach the whole machine to a suspension frame which rests on the ground.

The input power would be to 2 electromagnets, each fixed on one arm pulsing each disc / pendulum.  Output power would be for example a water compressor connected by very flexible tubing.

Instead of one arm being referenced to a fixed environment, the two arms are now only referenced to each other.  This is the reason for the term differential.  Who knows, this machine might be able to function (with rotating unbalanced discs) just as well laying on its side or in outer space?  It seems to me that such a machine might be independent of gravity.

What do you think?
I think it would work great.   :)
In fact, I'm almost finished building a rig very similar to what you described. This one is going to be powered manually, through a chain connected to both weights. The weights will be 180 degrees out of phase, on a balanced bar, and I'm taking the output off a third lever that extends down from the fulcrum (the center). I have it set up to swing a third weight in this arm too, but that's later.
I'll start off with just the two weights (10 lbs each) and see what happens. I'm thinking I may need a damping weight on the third leg. I'm hoping that the two weights can get into a resonance and provide some energy back to each other to help keep them rotating. This is where the energy gain should be.
There are a lot of variations that can be tried here. Eventually I want to add a fourth weight and see what happens when I spin the whole thing.
It'll be endless fun.  I'll post some pics if I get my #%$@&*# chain this weekend (been waiting 2 weeks).

Ted

PS, I'll let you know if it takes off.  ;)

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #558 on: November 11, 2007, 09:45:45 AM »
G'day all,

Still along the same track but no longer a Milkovic device. In this design advantage is taken of centripetal forces only.

The use of counter-rotating weights generates a sinusoidal reciprocating force along the axis of the convergences.

The reciprocal movement thus caused moves a magnet inside a coil back and forth generating electricity.

Have fun with this one. And yes, this will work in space since it does not rely on gravity.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #559 on: November 12, 2007, 12:09:41 PM »
Hans,

you should do a podcast or something. you'd have at least one listener (me)

i esteem you highly for pursuing energy liberty.

take care and God bless.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #560 on: January 03, 2008, 01:15:13 AM »
Abstract of scientific paper by Nebojsa Simin 

FREE ENERGY OF THE OSCILLATING PENDULUM-LEVER SYSTEM
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Nebojsa_Simin_-_scientific_paper_-_abstract.pdf

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #561 on: January 03, 2008, 08:49:12 AM »
Abstract of scientific paper by Nebojsa Simin 

FREE ENERGY OF THE OSCILLATING PENDULUM-LEVER SYSTEM
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Nebojsa_Simin_-_scientific_paper_-_abstract.pdf

What scientific paper, one page of utter rubbish and he calls that a study?

Have I missed something here?

Hans von Lieven

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #562 on: January 04, 2008, 12:09:10 AM »
It is clearly stated it is an ABSTRACT.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #563 on: January 04, 2008, 04:16:33 AM »
Sorry Tamin.

It is utter crap.

It purports to be a scientific paper. This it clearly is not.

An abstract in a scientific paper are the conclusions drawn and statements made as a result of an underlying study. They are aways published together, first the abstract, then the paper proper.

Even though the writer talks about a study supporting his findings he does not furnish it.

This puts the entire effort into the realm of toilet paper, if printed.

These are just a few statements by some idiot who does not know what he is talking about.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #564 on: January 04, 2008, 09:37:30 PM »
This is what I got from this fellow in response to my asking for a reprint:

"The manuscript will be installed on the same link later. I am waiting for the response from one scientific magazine.
Sincerely
Nebojsa Simin"

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #565 on: January 04, 2008, 10:45:59 PM »
Thanks Omnibus,

Let us wait then.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #566 on: January 14, 2008, 04:17:06 PM »
Got a new message from
Veljko Milkovic about another invention of him:


Dear friends,
 
we are glad to present you our new video on Self-heating eco-house concept with 85% energy savings.
 
There is an excerpt from the TV show ?Ugao?, FOX TV (Belgrade, Serbia, 2007) where it is shown Self-heating eco-house with the reflecting surfaces located in Novi Sad (Serbia) owned by Mr. Aleksandar Nikolic who lives in that house with his family more than 12 years and who speaks, in this video, about his positive experience of living in such house stating the advantages of building that eco-house with the reflecting surfaces...
 
Veljko Milkovic (www.veljkomilkovic.com) is the ideological creator (author) of this self-heating eco-house concept with the reflecting surfaces and the owner of this eco-house in Novi Sad (Serbia), Aleksandar Nikolic did a construction project for presented eco-house.
Veljko Milkovic still develops and improves this principle of building the self-heating eco-houses.
 
More info: http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/EkoKuca2Eng.html
 
Video on Google Video link:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-341523606597835915
 
Best regards.
 
Veljko Milkovic

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #567 on: February 10, 2008, 03:57:53 AM »
I found this update related to this subject.

Model Builder’s Guide To Understanding Veljko Milkovic’s “Two-stage Mechanical Oscillator”
by Dr Peter Lindemann:
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Model_Building_Guidelines_by_Dr_Peter_Lindemann.pdf

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #568 on: February 15, 2008, 05:37:58 AM »
Here is a new great video of a new pump.
If you have played as a kid with an old  street pump,you would
know how hard it is normally to pump so much water with all
of your weight..

Dear friends,
 
there is a new (old) video of the hand water pump with a pendulum - it is a replication done by Miroslav Zupkov -
the capacity of the pump is 1200 litres per hour.
 
The video is recorded in August 2004 in Novi Sad (Serbia).
 
Video link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNpgl7o_1QI
 
More info on the subject:
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/rucnaPumpaEng.html
 
Best regards.
 
Veljko Milkovic
 

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #569 on: February 15, 2008, 10:03:37 AM »
This all sounds very good until you look at the figures.

1200 liters is very little. And look at the cumbersome and expensive contraption that delivers it. By comparison a $12.00 bilge pump delivers 1800 liters per hour and runs of a 12 V car battery. A small solar panel can keep the battery charged. The whole set up would be a fraction of the price ofr Milkovic's contraption and you don't have to work it by hand. These kind of pumps are about the size of a man's fist.

No wonder Milkovic is going nowhere.

In case you think I am making this up I am enclosing the pump and price from a current boating supply house in Australia.

Hans von Lieven

Incidentally, this is the Milkovic pump (http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/rucnaPumpa_clip_image002.jpg)