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### Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !  (Read 1968714 times)

#### norman6538

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3480 on: March 14, 2016, 09:54:22 PM »
It’s interesting how easy they start these big pendulums and keep it moving

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_wAPc4GIC8

I'm not impressed - no performance numbers for power in or out...

Norman

#### ltseung888

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3481 on: March 17, 2016, 09:14:55 PM »
In the March 14 presentation, I emphasized that gravitational energy can be lead-out via the Milkovic 2SO.  I asked the participants to study and restudy the video.  Convince themselves that gravitational is
brought-in.

One comment just came:

1.  First focus on the output up and down motion of the weight.  The weight can come down to crash nuts.  Thus there is real energy involved.

2.  That up and down motion is caused by the swinging motion of the pendulum.

3.  In the swinging motion, the vertical force on the pendulum side varies.  The circular swinging motion produces centrifugal force.  That varying centrifugal force is responsible for the up and down motion of the lever.

4.  The supplied energy to maintain the swinging motion of the pendulum is used to overcome friction and air resistance of the pendulum.  The up and down motion is "free" (brought-in automatically without supplying extra energy).

5.  This free energy is used to produce the real energy of the weight to crash nuts...

More details are in the "ufo propu" thread.

#### Merg

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3482 on: March 19, 2016, 03:42:49 PM »
Even in water surroundings, the oscillating motion proved to be superior
https://youtu.be/h-_hBOHU4dw?t=24m53s

#### tagor

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3483 on: March 20, 2016, 09:31:36 AM »
Even in water surroundings, the oscillating motion proved to be superior
https://youtu.be/h-_hBOHU4dw?t=24m53s

no you can't proof it !
can you beat this boat ?

#### ltseung888

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3484 on: March 22, 2016, 02:20:21 AM »

Quote from: ltseung888 on March 20, 2016, 08:42:27 PM

Easter is coming. The comments after the March 14 presentation include:

1. The Input Energy to the Milkovic two stage pendulum is to keep the pendulum swinging like another other pendulum system.  It is used to overcome friction and air resistance.  Many pendulum systems have efficiency close to 99%.
2. The up and down motion of the lever system is created from the varying centrifugal force of the pendulum.  It is free.
3. This free energy is considered as the lead-out gravitational energy.  It can cause the hammer-like weight to do work.
4. If gravitational energy can be lead-out or brought-in, magnetic or electromagnetic energy must be able to be brought-in.

From this point of view, the Milkovic 2SO is definitely an overunity device...

See the ufo propu thread.

#### tagor

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3485 on: March 22, 2016, 07:40:42 AM »
Quote from: ltseung888 on March 20, 2016, 08:42:27 PM

From this point of view, the Milkovic 2SO is definitely an overunity device...

where is energy in versus energy output ?
you can not proof it

#### Merg

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3486 on: March 26, 2016, 02:33:06 PM »
An example how a flexible (elastic) pendulum can be better - a specific proof that the flexible pendulum gives better results than the pendulum with the ball bearings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9xm9RPVgdw

#### sm0ky2

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3487 on: March 27, 2016, 10:15:11 AM »
where is energy in versus energy output ?
you can not proof it

It was 'proofed' in the first 20 pages of the thread.
All energy can be accounted for.
each time the pendulum reaches BDC, and lifts the weight,
it loses some of its' amplitude.
that is why the user has to keep pushing it to keep it moving.

There is nothing 'extra' or 'overunity' here.
It is really not that efficient of a system, when you consider modern electric motor pumps

The only real advantage this system gives, is over conventional manually operated pumping systems.
This system uses a lot less 'human power' input, to pump the same amount of water,
when compared to other manual pumps.

the electric water pump can out perform this device
like the chainsaw did to Paul Bunyan

#### tagor

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3488 on: March 27, 2016, 06:50:04 PM »
It was 'proofed' in the first 20 pages of the thread.

yes
but  why this tread had 235 pages now ?

""  12 times more output than input, "" is a very very very false claim

why the admin does not closed this thread ?

#### Merg

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3489 on: March 29, 2016, 05:48:51 PM »
New scientific paper from India

Electrical Energy Harvesting By Using Pendulum Power Generator
https://www.irjet.net/archives/V3/i2/IRJET-V3I2102.pdf

#### ARMCORTEX

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3490 on: March 29, 2016, 10:14:47 PM »
In that document he has a simple image of a device, well it would be possible for them to simulate such a device on a 2d simulator like wm2d or algodoo.

Instead of that kid drawing, how to tell if the kinematics will really induce rotation, they can easily prove their device works, but they did not do that,

Useless document.

#### Merg

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• Posts: 411
##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3491 on: April 11, 2016, 05:29:06 PM »
It is interesting how he used the similar system like the Milkovic oscillator for his demonstration

Infinite oscillation ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gAchuS8SyU

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20446-infinite-oscillation.html

#### Merg

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• Posts: 411
##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3492 on: April 11, 2016, 05:33:55 PM »

#### zoelra

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3493 on: April 13, 2016, 01:43:58 AM »
The Milkovic two stage oscillator may very well be a "balanced oscillatory system".  No one has come close to feeding the output back into the system to perpetuate motion.  I'm not saying I agree with this statement, but many believe this to be true, and all tests to date seem to back this up.

In Milkovic's "Pendulum eases pumping of water" video, it appears that he is applying greater force than in his original "Mechanical Advantage of Pendulum Drive" video.  This could be due to the lifted weight (water) leaving the system and not applying backward force on the lever.  Just something to think about.

Mechanical Advantage of Pendulum Drive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt7iQmKtHu8

Pendulum eases pumping of water
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNdF8mTfu4g

#### turbogt16v

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3494 on: April 13, 2016, 06:53:30 PM »
it is very easy to be  mistaken with ou in these types of devices.

if you study basic fizics you would see the problem very easy.

it is the same principle as the nuclear plant has.for it to run or stop you need about 2 days.
so imagine the force you need to keep it running it is very small (relatively small).
same as spinning a huge weight in circle.
but the problem is you always need the push ,and it is bigger than force taken, always .
so when you look at your huge weight that you keep pushing ,you think ,oh there is much force stored in it,but you are the one that keeps adding the force.
that is why milkovic keeps pushing the weight adding the force on and on