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Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !  (Read 1756606 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3315 on: May 31, 2015, 04:51:42 PM »
The MHOP should be able to do the job for you nicely.

This was a joint effort between MileHigh and TinselKoala, and it was presented on this board.

All the details are available on this forum,, just go look for them.
Heh.... the   MHOP was designed to be a "better than Bedini" pulse motor and was set up to use a sense coil instead of a Hall sensor, in keeping with the basic Bedini designs. Its timing is set manually by moving the sense coil and the dwell, or pulse duration is set by a sensitivity control in the op-amp circuitry. It could be easily modified to use a ratiometric Hall sensor in place of the sense coil.

For Lawrence's specific application, a rotary shaft position encoder with 4000 line per revolution resolution and a simple microprocessor control (Arduino for example) would be better, I think. Digital is always better, isn't it? :)

The rotary encoder wheels, kits, sensor/interface etc are available from USDigital and aren't too expensive.
http://www.usdigital.com/products?gclid=COLkh_Wc7MUCFYoYHwodRQQAcw

So the position of the rotating part can be read to 1/4000 of a complete revolution by the Arduino, and the pulse edges can be set to occur at any specific line count in that range by a couple of simple potentiometers connected to the Arduino. The necessary program code is almost trivial to implement, very basic line counting and analog-digital read-write statements using ordinary potentiometers to set the pulse edges. Or if timing and dwell need to be varied automatically with rotor speed or other parameters, the Arduino can be programmed accordingly to handle that. 

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3316 on: May 31, 2015, 09:33:13 PM »
In #3302, I take it that the ring+magnet rotates and the two coils are static. Not sure how the ring is to be held, but let's skip over that.


No.  The ring is stationary.  Only the Magnet moves.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3317 on: June 01, 2015, 01:49:48 AM »
Hope the design thought diagram clarifies the process.

May use oscilloscopes and other devices to help to get full picture with all the back EMF and pulsing peaks  etc.

The initial design thought was to have the donut ring stationary.  From the outside, no moving parts...

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3318 on: June 01, 2015, 04:26:41 PM »
Remember Ockham's razor"? No need to mess around with lasers. A hole in a piece of cardboard will do nicely and have an LED shine through it. The circuit diagram in Patrick's Chapter 1 page 21 should be about right.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3319 on: June 01, 2015, 10:20:48 PM »
Remember Ockham's razor"? No need to mess around with lasers. A hole in a piece of cardboard will do nicely and have an LED shine through it. The circuit diagram in Patrick's Chapter 1 page 21 should be about right.

Are you talking about the circuit diagram below?

I cannot see the link to the flying saucer Drive Coil ON/OFF design.  Please elaborate.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3320 on: June 02, 2015, 02:01:59 PM »
Some prototype figures.

The formula for Centrifugal Force = m*w*w*R;  where m is the moving mass; w is the angular velocity; R is the radius.

For a practical prototype, m can be 0.5 Kg, R can be 0.5 Meters.  Centrifugal Force at top can be 10 Hertz or 600rpm.  The Centrifugal Force at bottom can be 1 Hertz or 60rpm.

CFtop/CFbottom = (m*10*10*R)/(m*1*1*R) = 100.

The actual value of CFtop can be 0.5*10*10*0.5 = 25 Newtons.

For those who are not familiar with Newton, we can convert it to 2.55 kg weight.  Or the lifting force is about 2.5 Kg.  (The rotating device can generate net CF to lift 2.5 kg.)  Unbalanced wheel is great.  Unbalanced rotation is even better...

Such figures are within the technical capability of most top scientific establishments.

Flying Saucers can be developed with existing scientific technology…
 
I am sure that many UFOs are made in China or made in USA...

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3321 on: June 02, 2015, 02:52:48 PM »
Since when is force measured in Hz/rpm?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3322 on: June 02, 2015, 04:15:04 PM »
Are you talking about the circuit diagram below?

I cannot see the link to the flying saucer Drive Coil ON/OFF design.  Please elaborate.
Sorry, No, I got this wrong. That is for use with a timing disc. (Unfortunately, the messaging on this wretched website cannot be used from my home computer or I would have advised you yesterday).

You need a Hall effect sensor, situated near the first  position. By inspection, it should be placed to switch at the right position and should be connected to a 555 circuit which will keep the current on  until  the magnet passes the second position (by turning a pot in the 555 circuit). This is all fairly bread and butter stuff. If the device is  slow running,  a reed switch would do.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3323 on: June 02, 2015, 09:48:55 PM »
Sorry, No, I got this wrong. That is for use with a timing disc. (Unfortunately, the messaging on this wretched website cannot be used from my home computer or I would have advised you yesterday).

You need a Hall effect sensor, situated near the first  position. By inspection, it should be placed to switch at the right position and should be connected to a 555 circuit which will keep the current on  until  the magnet passes the second position (by turning a pot in the 555 circuit). This is all fairly bread and butter stuff. If the device is  slow running,  a reed switch would do.

I still prefer the design in reply 3345.  We may consider using LED instead of laser for detection of PM passing.  We need close to the perfect switching ON and OFF with different speeds.  When the PM first moves, it will need many passes through the Driver Coil to gain the high angular velocity needed.

Most pulse motors using reed switches failed in this respect.  If you look at the diagram in 3345 again, you will find that the time spent with Driver Coil ON is very different from when it is OFF. A simple oscillating switch will not do.  The 225 HP Pulse Motor is superior because it uses a "precision control" (dismantled by USA authorities before shipping to China.)

I am sure the Chinese Engineers understood the theory and redesigned something with similar capabilities...

Anti-gravity can just be unbalanced wheel in unbalanced rotation.  Divine Revelation.

A vertically mounted unbalanced wheel in unbalanced rotation as in reply 3345 will lose weight. This could be a powerful confirmation of the theory.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3324 on: June 03, 2015, 01:24:46 AM »
Improved thoughts on DC ON and OFF.

Use repulsion and a start coil to drive PM from start position.

Strong repulsion used.  After Permanent Magnet accelerates, additional repulsion effect negligible.  Can turn OFF quickly without too much negative impact.

Simplifies design.  (Actually use the experience learned from the Tong Wheel.)

Lawrence
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3325 on: June 03, 2015, 12:20:45 PM »
In many of the pulse wheel designs (e.g. Tong, Bedini), the permanent magnets and the coils are set at some angle.  Such arrangements do not use the magnetic flux at the optimal.  However, with tuning, they can still show signs of overunity.

Magnetic flux is not stationary.  When another magnet is close or when there is motion, the magnetic flux will change.  It is almost impossible to analyze theoretically.  Much will rely on experiments to check the results.[b][/b]

The best example is the 225 HP Pulse Motor.

With the fifth design of the flying saucer in reply 3302, the magnetic flux may be used in a much more optimal fashion.  Thus it will provide both thrust and lead-out electromagnetic energy.  The electromagnetic energy is likely to be the electron cloud or electron motion energy already present in the magnetic materials.

Lawrence
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Look at the diagram in reply 3321 again.

If I remember correctly, the 225 HP Pulse Motor had 9 wheels jointed together.  But a single one could only generate 5 HP.  (That was supposed to be the prototype to be shipped to Tsinghua University). 

Jointing nine 5HP wheels should only provide 45HP.  But the result was 225 HP.  This means that there are something we do not know about the magnetic or electromagnetic field.

The 225 HP Pulse Motor is an overunity device.    It is top secret.  But the flying saucer is also top secret.  If we can solve the technical problems of the flying saucer, can we solve the 225 HP Pulse Motor?

Divine Wine flows.  Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer is likely to be the UFO now popping all over.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3326 on: June 04, 2015, 12:41:08 AM »
I am consolidating the Tsinghua University QMOGEN and the Flying Saucer information in one file for easier reference.

A  The Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier Platform Experiment
References:
1.   Reply 3028 at overunity.com, Milkovic 2SO thread. 
Experimental procedure
http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg443538/#msg443538
2.   Reply 2994
Experiment 13 configuration suggestion
http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg443378/#msg443378
3.   Reply 2981
Oscillating element rather than simple Unbalancing
http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg443220/#msg443220
4.   Reply 2960
First attempt on estimating the material cost (less than HKD3,000)
http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg442824/#msg442824
5.   Reply 2941
Technical Presentation to Bright Students
http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg442464/#msg442464
6.   Reply 2943
Last attempt in the explanation of lead-out energy
http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg442470/#msg442470
7.   Reply 2953
Presentation in Chinese
http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg442672/#msg442672
8.   Reply 2870
Explain reply 2826
http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg441896/#msg441896
9.   Reply 2826
Milkovic 2SO is a lead-out Energy Device
http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg441078/#msg441078

B.  The Flying Saucer Information
1.  reply 3045
Theory of the Flying Saucer introduction
http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg443810/#msg443810
A simple mechanism is shown in reply 3065

http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg444284/#msg444284

2.  reply 3092
Theory of the Flying Saucer completed
http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg444780/#msg444780
3. reply 3094
Divine purpose of my knowledge?
http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg444810/#msg444810
4.  reply 3113
No need to eject material into space
http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg445088/#msg445088
5. reply 3102
Leading out magnetic or electromagnetic energy
http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg445265/#msg445265
6. reply 3302
Fifth design of the Flying Saucer
http://overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg450886/#msg450886
7. reply 3123
Predictions
http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg445278/#msg445278
8. reply 3352
ON/OFF control thoughts
http://overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg452087/#msg452087


This post will be updated as necessary.  It will help the new comer to focus on the appropriate technical information.

Lawrence Tseung
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3327 on: June 05, 2015, 07:58:41 AM »
Eighth Design of the Flying Saucer Engine.

Use Magnetic Repulsion.

Is it within the capability of the top Chinese or USA Engineers???

The two presentation files have been updated and attached.

Lawrence
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3328 on: June 06, 2015, 12:05:35 AM »
Prayer: "What should be the right thing to do?"

Guidance: "Serve the Divine Wine!"

Prayer: "Should I continue posting in this and other Internet Forms?  Should I share with friends and relatives?  Should I share it with strangers?  Should I use the News Media?  Should I approach the Academic Institutions?  Should I approach the Venture Capitalists?  Should I inform the various governments?"

Guidance: "What is your worry?  You have the Divine Wine.  Nobody have proposed the eighth design of the flying saucer yet?  It is absolute scientific certainty.  USA and Chinese Military Institutions must have built it or similar.  They keep it as top secret.  Their goal is to benefit their own Nation first.  What is your goal?"

Prayer: "Thank you for the Guidance."

The UFO believers will...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58kLVo1AJuE

Lawrence
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3329 on: June 06, 2015, 01:41:12 AM »
Hi Lawrence
I hope you are well.
I travel to HK every month and China at least twice a year.
Do you have any technology or know of any that can demonstrate even one watt of free or excess energy?
I am happy to meet up with anyone or you to see such a demonstration even under an NDA


I remember once talking to you on Skype from the USA where you wanted me to see a technology you claimed was overunity, unfortunately it was not. I was under NDA which I respect so I can not discuss why.
Mark




 

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