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Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !  (Read 1754273 times)

Offline memoryman

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2925 on: March 15, 2015, 02:34:47 AM »
"The lead-out energy theory is correct from day 1.  (The earth is round.)" it's not really round, more 'roundish'.
"The debunkers who cannot follow Physics can say what they want." So can you; you're still wrong.
"Please check your Physics again...  You are too intelligent to be a stupid debunker." Correct; I checked my physics and found that I am a SMART debunker.
Lawrence, stop talking. Demonstrate that you are right (you won't be able to).

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2926 on: March 15, 2015, 08:37:10 AM »
Spent some time talking to a retired Physics Teacher.

Teacher: "You have done a good job.  You make lead-out energy very easily to understand."

Tseung: "But some people on the Internet still cannot understand it."

Teacher: "You can be the best teacher.  Some students will get grade A.  Some students will fail and get grade E.  That is a fact of life."

Sow seeds.  Some may fall on fertile soil...

Lawrence
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2927 on: March 15, 2015, 09:04:15 AM »
Spent some time talking to a retired Physics Teacher.

Teacher: "You have done a good job.  You make lead-out energy very easily to understand."

Tseung: "But some people on the Internet still cannot understand it."

Teacher: "You can be the best teacher.  Some students will get grade A.  Some students will fail and get grade E.  That is a fact of life."

Sow seeds.  Some may fall on fertile soil...

Lawrence
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I'd like to know the name of any physics professor who has looked at a schematic of one of your "lead-out" machines and will go on record stating that they believe your claim that there is more output energy than input energy.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2927 on: March 15, 2015, 09:04:15 AM »
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Offline ltseung888

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2928 on: March 15, 2015, 09:46:17 AM »
Attached is the pdf file to be translated into Chinese.

This presentation will be used next week to a group of Physicists and Engineers.

It is for the "Bright Students" only. 

Sow Seeds...

Lawrence
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2929 on: March 15, 2015, 11:04:15 AM »
The presentation claims that:

"1. The lead-out energy process occurs during the lifting of m1."

m1 ends up back at its starting height by the end of each cycle.  Ergo, m1 does not gain net GPE each cycle, nor does m1 gain KE each cycle.  Ergo the "lead-out energy process" fails to deliver net energy cycle by cycle to its lifting load of m1.  Ergo there is no energy obtained from the "lead-out energy process".

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2930 on: March 15, 2015, 01:16:01 PM »
For the bright student, the teacher only needs to say once.  For the lowest grade students, I shall say one more (last) time.

1.  Mass m1 is lifted only when the Centrifugal Force Fc + m2*g is higher than m1*g.

2.  During the lifting, the amplitude of swing does not decrease.

3.  The energy required does not come from the pendulum.  The. only other source is gravity.

4.  When m1 is raised to a high h, the potential energy gained is m1*g*h.  This lead-out energy is available to do work.

5.  The pendulum bob swings higher.  The velocity gets lower  The Centrifugal Force decreases.  The Force m1*g is again greater than m2*g + Fc.  The mass m1 falls back to ground.  The original position or state is repeated.

6.  The energy to return the pendulum system to the original position is m2*g*h.  This energy comes from the lead-out energy mentioned in 4.

7.  The difference (m1-m2)*g*h is used to produce the loud bang noise in the original Milkovic.  In the later Milkovic, that energy is used to pump water. 

8.  That amount of energy (m1-m2)*g*h is relatively small because the period of the pendulum is fixed.

9.  The obvious improvement is to replace the pendulum by an Unbalanced Wheel.  The amount of gravitational energy can be increased hundred or thousand times because of the much higher rotational speed.

10.  The QMOGENs get it right.  The Motor is used to increase the rotational speed.  The Centrifugal Force varies as the square of the angular velocity.  Thus increasing the rotational speed leads out much more gravitational energy.

11.  The Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier is effectively many Unbalanced Wheels joined together to form Unbalanced Cylinders.  Thus it can lead-out much more gravitational energy.

This is the last time I answer this lead-out energy question.  If the student does not understand, too bad.  Let them ask help from the bright ones.

Lawrence
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2931 on: March 15, 2015, 02:09:11 PM »

2.  During the lifting, the amplitude of swing does not decrease.

Lawrence
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This is FALSE

We have proven that the pendulum does in fact decrease, in exact accordance with the energy consumed during the lifting of the weight.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2932 on: March 15, 2015, 02:48:11 PM »
The ultimate proof is in the demonstration of a self-looped device; when will you DEMONSTRATE that, Lawrence?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2933 on: March 15, 2015, 09:54:20 PM »
For the bright student, the teacher only needs to say once.  For the lowest grade students, I shall say one more (last) time.

1.  Mass m1 is lifted only when the Centrifugal Force Fc + m2*g is higher than m1*g.
And m1 falls right back to its starting position, at which point there is no energy output at all despite lots of energy input by the operator.  No energy out of any kind means that there is no "lead-out energy".
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2.  During the lifting, the amplitude of swing does not decrease.
This is in effect a glorified lever.  The lever only rises as the operator inputs the energy to move it.  This is the same with the pendulum:  It only swings as far as it does based on the energy input from the operator.  When enough energy is input to swing far enough to start lifting m1, then m1 starts to lift that energy redistribution takes directly from the swing of m2.  As long as the operator keeps inputting enough energy to overcome the losses, the system eventually reaches a new equilibrium state where the amplitudes of the swings become stable.
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3.  The energy required does not come from the pendulum.  The. only other source is gravity.
The energy all comes from the operator.  Gravity contributes nothing but a consistent attractive force between the masses involved, the big one being the earth.
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4.  When m1 is raised to a high h, the potential energy gained is m1*g*h.  This lead-out energy is available to do work.
Such work is surrendered right back into the pendulum when m1 returns to its starting position as it always does without the machine having transferred any energy to the outside world.  The machine as drawn and demonstrated is 0% efficient because it performs no external work.
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5.  The pendulum bob swings higher.  The velocity gets lower  The Centrifugal Force decreases.  The Force m1*g is again greater than m2*g + Fc.  The mass m1 falls back to ground.  The original position or state is repeated.
The machine moves cyclically through different internal energy distributions like any other pendulum.  It performs no external work.  It obtains no "lead-out" energy from gravity, just like no other pendulum obtains any "lead-out" energy from gravity.
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6.  The energy to return the pendulum system to the original position is m2*g*h.  This energy comes from the lead-out energy mentioned in 4.
Every bit of the energy stored in the pendulum at any point in the pendulum's cycle comes from the external operator.
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7.  The difference (m1-m2)*g*h is used to produce the loud bang noise in the original Milkovic.  In the later Milkovic, that energy is used to pump water. 
Any energy transferred to the outside world: sound energy from banging, or pumping water, takes away from the internal energy of the pendulum and must be replenished by the operator, or the pendulum quickly comes to rest.
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8.  That amount of energy (m1-m2)*g*h is relatively small because the period of the pendulum is fixed.
One can build big flywheels, or pendula that are capable of storing lots of energy.  A big bucket of water does not "lead-out" gravitational energy.  A big flywheel does not "lead-out" gravitational energy.  A big pendulum does not "lead-out" gravitational energy.  And neither does this device.
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9.  The obvious improvement is to replace the pendulum by an Unbalanced Wheel.  The amount of gravitational energy can be increased hundred or thousand times because of the much higher rotational speed.
N*0=0.  A bigger pendulum made from an unbalanced wheel would simply store more energy.  All of that energy is supplied by the operator.
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10.  The QMOGENs get it right.  The Motor is used to increase the rotational speed.  The Centrifugal Force varies as the square of the angular velocity.  Thus increasing the rotational speed leads out much more gravitational energy.
No QMOGEN has ever been shown to self-power, or to obtain energy from any previously unrecognized source such as your gravity "lead-out" claims.
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11.  The Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier is effectively many Unbalanced Wheels joined together to form Unbalanced Cylinders.  Thus it can lead-out much more gravitational energy.
Where may one find any statement from Tsinghua University that any such "Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier" ever existed and if it existed: ever worked?
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This is the last time I answer this lead-out energy question.  If the student does not understand, too bad.  Let them ask help from the bright ones.
Since your claims have been shown to be false many times, one can only hope that you will abandon them and return to reality.
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Where may one find any statement from Tsinghua University that any such "Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier" ever existed and if it existed: ever worked?

You can't.  All of the people involved with this project were killed and the device was destroyed.  Yet another tragic example of energy suppression.  Lawrence thinks that Sterling is going to jail for the same reasons.  He exposed too much.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2935 on: March 15, 2015, 11:08:18 PM »
You can't.  All of the people involved with this project were killed and the device was destroyed.  Yet another tragic example of energy suppression.  Lawrence thinks that Sterling is going to jail for the same reasons.  He exposed too much.

Bill

You are using the USA mentality.
  In China, all involved either got rich or were well taken care of in Military Establishments.  USA has area 52.  China has many 52s...

I do not think Sterling will go to jail.  He is essentially a reporter with no deep knowledge of any working device.  The USA Government may be under pressure to silence him and close down his website.  But the information is already out.  China, Russia, Japan etc. already have copies.  Jailing him just confirms that he has reported something of value.

The pendulum has led to the Unbalanced Wheel and the Unbalanced Cylinder. A device similar to the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier will come out.  My bet is on India.  China can no longer keep the State Secret.  The strategy will have to change.

One more State Secret.  Both China and USA have working flying saucers based on lead-out magnetic and electromagnetic energy and pulsed Centrifugal Force.  The John Searl device is no hoax.

Let the bright students work it out. 

Sow seeds...

Lawrence
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2936 on: March 15, 2015, 11:45:18 PM »
You can't.  All of the people involved with this project were killed and the device was destroyed.  Yet another tragic example of energy suppression.  Lawrence thinks that Sterling is going to jail for the same reasons.  He exposed too much.

Bill
Sterling may be going to jail because he may have "exposed too much" of himself to an underage girl.  Thankfully, Sterling has not been specific on the graphic details of his admitted pedophilic acts that he euphemizes as a "lust addiction".

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2937 on: March 15, 2015, 11:51:00 PM »

You are using the USA mentality.
  In China, all involved either got rich or were well taken care of in Military Establishments.  USA has area 52.  China has many 52s...
LOL, yeah sure Lawrence, just like you claim that the Witts QEG works and that you and your pals have plenty of resources to buy one, but you don't.  Amazingly, you report on all these suppressions, but none of these governments suppress you.  Now why is it that if they want to suppress something they don't?
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I do not think Sterling will go to jail.  He is essentially a reporter with no deep knowledge of any working device.  The USA Government may be under pressure to silence him and close down his website.  But the information is already out.  China, Russia, Japan etc. already have copies.  Jailing him just confirms that he has reported something of value.

The pendulum has led to the Unbalanced Wheel and the Unbalanced Cylinder. A device similar to the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier will come out.  My bet is on India.  China can no longer keep the State Secret.  The strategy will have to change.
None of which ahve been shown to evolve any surplus energy.
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One more State Secret.  Both China and USA have working flying saucers based on lead-out magnetic and electromagnetic energy and pulsed Centrifugal Force.  The John Searl device is no hoax.
LOL, yeah that's why the old fraud John Searl can't make one of his SEGs work despite all the help he has received.  Do you have any new whopper lies to tell today Lawrence?
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Let the bright students work it out. 

Sow seeds...

Lawrence
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You're in the spreading cow manure phase.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2938 on: March 16, 2015, 12:46:24 AM »

You are using the USA mentality.
  In China, all involved either got rich or were well taken care of in Military Establishments.  USA has area 52.  China has many 52s...

I do not think Sterling will go to jail.  He is essentially a reporter with no deep knowledge of any working device.  The USA Government may be under pressure to silence him and close down his website.  But the information is already out.  China, Russia, Japan etc. already have copies.  Jailing him just confirms that he has reported something of value.

The pendulum has led to the Unbalanced Wheel and the Unbalanced Cylinder. A device similar to the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier will come out.  My bet is on India.  China can no longer keep the State Secret.  The strategy will have to change.

One more State Secret.  Both China and USA have working flying saucers based on lead-out magnetic and electromagnetic energy and pulsed Centrifugal Force.  The John Searl device is no hoax.

Let the bright students work it out. 

Sow seeds...

Lawrence
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Lawrence:

Sterling may be going to jail for his admitted interaction with underage girls.  I only know what he has posted about this and nothing else.  You would have to ask him for any details.

Bill

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2939 on: March 17, 2015, 12:45:20 PM »
The presentation in Chinese.

 

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