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ltseung888

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2805 on: March 03, 2015, 01:23:41 PM »
The diagram in reply 2690 is modified to use available equipment and set up.
 
The Frame of the Yuen Wheel can be modified for the experiment.
 
One or more of the 4 availabole bicycle wheels can be used.
 
Need to contact a machine shop and a motor/generator retailer in Hong Kong or Shenzhen.  Try to work out some mutually win-win arragement.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2806 on: March 03, 2015, 03:18:09 PM »
The diagram in reply 2690 is modified to use available equipment and set up.
 
The Frame of the Yuen Wheel can be modified for the experiment.
 
One or more of the 4 availabole bicycle wheels can be used.
 
Need to contact a machine shop and a motor/generator retailer in Hong Kong or Shenzhen.  Try to work out some mutually win-win arragement.
How much would this cost? I might be willing to fund this provided you can demonstrate a reputable way to test this AND when it fails you post a video of yourself on youtube - saying you are the deepest and most complete sort of moron.  Post it here under your name and never post about free energy again. :)

ltseung888

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2807 on: March 03, 2015, 08:00:21 PM »
An improved experiment design?
 
Some existing QMOGENs are already placed side-by-side.  The addition of an Unbaolanced Cylinder serves both as a flywheel to store energy and as a lead-out energy device.
 
It will take them little effort to check out this improvement.  Let them shine...

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2808 on: March 04, 2015, 03:05:22 PM »
An improved experiment design?
 
Probably not.

The output of the generator is not likely to please the motor.

Ideally, the motor should be a low voltage DC and the output of the generator should be rectified (if necessary) and fed to a battery which then supplies the motor at its stated voltage.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2809 on: March 04, 2015, 08:43:41 PM »
An improved experiment design?
 
Some existing QMOGENs are already placed side-by-side.  The addition of an Unbaolanced Cylinder serves both as a flywheel to store energy and as a lead-out energy device.
 
It will take them little effort to check out this improvement.  Let them shine...
The vibrating unbalanced wheels inertia will slow down the motor when you try to take this energy out of it.
You cannot get more energy out than you put in. These QWERTYUIOPASDFGHJKLZXCVBNMGEN designs follows the laws of physics just as any other thing on earth. Nothing new or different just because a wheel is bouncing around due to its unbalanced features.


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2810 on: March 04, 2015, 10:37:41 PM »
A suggested design for the Unbalanced Cylinder to be used in the initial Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier replication experiment.

The End Plates can be solid to act as flywheels.

The goal is to check how much gravitational energy can be lead-out with different Unbalanced Cylinders and the other parameters such as rotational speed.

Different size and weight of the Unbalanced Cylinder will be tested.  See if a consistent relationship can be determined.

You are welcome to improve the suggested design.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2811 on: March 04, 2015, 11:23:11 PM »
Hi Lawrence. See the following video which is supposed to demonstrate a self running solid state electronics
device which was created by 'Akula' (AKA Roman Karnouhov). Akula and his German business partners say
the device is now quite stable and they are looking for serious investors who are interested in developing
such a device to contact them. They provide their contact email in the video. Since you said you know of
investors who are interested in investing in such devices, I though I would draw it to your attention, although
you may have already seen the video. Read the video's description section comments for more details.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cSXYeGsO9o
I have never seen Akula's devices in person, so I can't say whether his devices are legitimate or not.
Any potential investor would have to arrange to conduct their own tests to determine that for themselves.

All the best...


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2812 on: March 05, 2015, 02:22:54 AM »
Lawrence:

Here is an easy experiment for you.  Drive your car as you normally would for a few miles.  Note how hard you need to push on the accelerator pedal to get to certain speeds.  Make some mental notes of this at different speeds...say...20...30...40...mph.
Now, not only do you remove the balancing wheel weights on your tires, you need to tape a 1 pound weight on the inside edge of each wheel.
Repeat the above experiment and then tell me how an unbalanced wheel adds energy into a system.  I believe you will find that even doing 10 mph with your unbalanced wheels will take more effort from your engine...not to mention making the vehicle very unstable and dangerous.  I would not suggest that you even try it at 30 or 40 mph as it would be very dangerous.  You will get my point at lower speeds and see that you need much more effort from your engine (ie. less efficient) using unbalanced wheels than with your balanced wheels.

This is easy to determine and might stop you from promoting this false assumption you keep making.  If what you are claiming is true, then your mileage would double on your car with the unbalance wheels and we both know that is not going to happen.

Bill

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2813 on: March 05, 2015, 03:23:24 AM »
Hi Lawrence. See the following video which is supposed to demonstrate a self running solid state electronics
device which was created by 'Akula' (AKA Roman Karnouhov). Akula and his German business partners say
the device is now quite stable and they are looking for serious investors who are interested in developing
such a device to contact them. They provide their contact email in the video. Since you said you know of
investors who are interested in investing in such devices, I though I would draw it to your attention, although
you may have already seen the video. Read the video's description section comments for more details.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cSXYeGsO9o
I have never seen Akula's devices in person, so I can't say whether his devices are legitimate or not.
Any potential investor would have to arrange to conduct their own tests to determine that for themselves.

All the best...

The three Venture Capital Groups I presented to had their technical people involved.  At lease one of them replicated the Chan Wheel the same day after the presentation.

They can do much better as they already funded Companies with well equipped machine shops.

The immediate response was:  The Unbalanced Cylinder appears to have merits.  The QMOGENs are not hoaxes.  (They have been approached by many "free Energy" inventors.)

They are profit motivated
.  I told them anything I know will be posted and become public knowledge.  They can seek inventors with working prototypes.  I am sure that they will look at the information here.

ltseung888

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2814 on: March 05, 2015, 03:26:18 AM »
The presentation to be used on the monthly meeting on March 8, 2015.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2815 on: March 05, 2015, 04:24:36 AM »
Lawrence:

Here is an easy experiment for you.  Drive your car as you normally would for a few miles.  Note how hard you need to push on the accelerator pedal to get to certain speeds.  Make some mental notes of this at different speeds...say...20...30...40...mph.
Now, not only do you remove the balancing wheel weights on your tires, you need to tape a 1 pound weight on the inside edge of each wheel.
Repeat the above experiment and then tell me how an unbalanced wheel adds energy into a system.  I believe you will find that even doing 10 mph with your unbalanced wheels will take more effort from your engine...not to mention making the vehicle very unstable and dangerous.  I would not suggest that you even try it at 30 or 40 mph as it would be very dangerous.  You will get my point at lower speeds and see that you need much more effort from your engine (ie. less efficient) using unbalanced wheels than with your balanced wheels.

This is easy to determine and might stop you from promoting this false assumption you keep making.  If what you are claiming is true, then your mileage would double on your car with the unbalance wheels and we both know that is not going to happen.

Bill

Hello Bill,

Your example reminds me of Mr. Skinner's machine. I don't know if anyone has ever resolved whether it really works or not.

However, your point about the unbalance requiring more power didn't seem to show up in Mr. Skinner's device. As I'm sure you know, his machine was 4 sets of unbalanced weights or actually, 2 sets of 2 rotating, opposing weights that were always 180 degrees out of phase. Overall, the entire machine was perfectly balanced and if we believe the video, driven by a thin thread.

Best,
Charlie

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2816 on: March 05, 2015, 05:53:28 PM »
Hello Bill,

Your example reminds me of Mr. Skinner's machine. I don't know if anyone has ever resolved whether it really works or not.

However, your point about the unbalance requiring more power didn't seem to show up in Mr. Skinner's device. As I'm sure you know, his machine was 4 sets of unbalanced weights or actually, 2 sets of 2 rotating, opposing weights that were always 180 degrees out of phase. Overall, the entire machine was perfectly balanced and if we believe the video, driven by a thin thread.

Best,
Charlie

Good observation, Charlie.

When I use the terms Unbalanced Wheel or Unbalanced Cylinder, I do not mean ANY unbalancing.  The value of the unbalanced weight need to be carefully selected and determined experimentally.

We know that the unbalanced weight will contribute to the Centrifugal Force.  The formula is:

F = m*R*w*w where m = mass, R = radius and w = angular velocity.

The Milkovic 2SO, Chan Wheel, Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier, William Skinner Device, etc. all use such Centrifugal Force to lead-out gravitational energy. 

Blindly use any unbalancing weight is like shooting in the dark...

But having a platform to obtain data to get to the right value is scientifically sound...


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2817 on: March 05, 2015, 06:07:43 PM »
Please show ANY device using gravity as an 'energy source' producing MORE energy out than in; using unbalance will not matter.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2818 on: March 05, 2015, 07:03:29 PM »
Good observation, Charlie.

When I use the terms Unbalanced Wheel or Unbalanced Cylinder, I do not mean ANY unbalancing.  The value of the unbalanced weight need to be carefully selected and determined experimentally.

We know that the unbalanced weight will contribute to the Centrifugal Force.  The formula is:

F = m*R*w*w where m = mass, R = radius and w = angular velocity.

The Milkovic 2SO, Chan Wheel, Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier, William Skinner Device, etc. all use such Centrifugal Force to lead-out gravitational energy. 

Blindly use any unbalancing weight is like shooting in the dark...

But having a platform to obtain data to get to the right value is scientifically sound...

Lawrence:

But earlier you were saying that both an unbalanced wheel and a loose drive belt lead out overunity.  I responded that an unbalanced wheel is less efficient as is a loose (slipping) belt.  Please show me ANY device that works as you describe that has been proven to work.  By proven I mean vetted by a reliable third party which would exclude Sterling.

Bill

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2819 on: March 05, 2015, 07:15:39 PM »
Good observation, Charlie.

When I use the terms Unbalanced Wheel or Unbalanced Cylinder, I do not mean ANY unbalancing.  The value of the unbalanced weight need to be carefully selected and determined experimentally.

We know that the unbalanced weight will contribute to the Centrifugal Force.  The formula is:

F = m*R*w*w where m = mass, R = radius and w = angular velocity.

The Milkovic 2SO, Chan Wheel, Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier, William Skinner Device, etc. all use such Centrifugal Force to lead-out gravitational energy. 
No, none of those devices do any such thing.
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Blindly use any unbalancing weight is like shooting in the dark...

But having a platform to obtain data to get to the right value is scientifically sound...