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Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !  (Read 2213797 times)

MarkE

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2775 on: March 01, 2015, 11:50:21 PM »
Now that the discussions are on scientific basis, I would like to add the following:

1.  The varying Centrifugal Force of the Unbalanced Wheel or Cylinder will cause the axle to vibrate.  This vibration or oscillation will lead-out gravitational energy.
There is no objective evidence of such a thing.
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2.  If this additional energy is immediately transferred via a loose belt pulley system to another axle, the lead-out gravitational energy does useful work. (Chas Campbell arrangement)
there is no additional energy to transfer.
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3.  Even in the case of a perfectly balanced wheel, if we couple it with a loose belt pulley system, a vibration will be produced.  This vibration will also lead-out gravitational energy.
No such vibrations lose energy flexing the supporting structures and generating waste heat.  They reduce the already under unity efficiency.
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4.  Thus it appears a belt type system is better than a tooth type system if we want to lead-out and use the lead-out energy.
Neither scheme "leads-out" energy.
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5.  Can we consider the vibrations caused by the varying Centrifugal Force as pulses?  Control via transferring the energy via belt and pulley to another axle?
You can consider whatever you like.  What you cannot do is show that these schemes actually result in surplus energy.

ltseung888

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2776 on: March 02, 2015, 01:09:26 AM »
http://pesn.com/2013/12/07/9602402_QMoGen-Patent-found/

US patent office granted a QMOGEN patent! ...an awarded US Patent 7,095,126 B2 by Jesse McQueen, for a QMoGen. So now we can't say there are no patents that we know of for a machine of this type.

"There have been four witnesses to the device which was built in order to obtain the patent. The U.S. Patent was awarded after reviewing the data and mathematics provided by McQueen."

The article appeared in December 2013. 

Is QMOGEN technology legitimate???


Tsinghua University has one since 1996.  The lead-out energy theory explains its workings.  Divine Wine is flowing...

MarkE

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2777 on: March 02, 2015, 04:19:02 AM »
Patent examinations do not constitute studies to determine if something works.    Patent applications are rejected for lack of utility when they so blatantly violate known physics that there is no question that they cannot work.  It takes very little to overcome such a rejection.  As a result there exist a great multitude of patents that are completely useless and inoperable as every single QMOGEN claim has turned out to be.  Since a patent application and any awarded patent are invalid if the invention claims cannot be practiced by one with ordinary skill in the art without undue experimentation:  Take the subject patent and attempt to build a working free energy machine from what it teaches.  You will fail.

No one:  Not you not anyone from Tsinghua University, not any of your imaginary government oepratives can demonstrate a working QMOGEN that produces surplus energy.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2778 on: March 02, 2015, 04:26:03 AM »
"There have been four witnesses to the device which was built in order to obtain the patent. The U.S. Patent was awarded after reviewing the data and mathematics provided by McQueen."
The Golden Plates for the Book of Mormon had eleven witnesses.  Do you believe in those too?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2779 on: March 02, 2015, 04:32:02 AM »
Where is the next video where he claims he will have the power in and out?
I did not find it.

Norman

There isn't one. How do I know? Because its my video... :)

ltseung888

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2780 on: March 02, 2015, 06:59:02 AM »
My patent applications both in US and China were rejected because they were classified as impossible perpetual motion machines.

On communication with the patent office - if I can demonstrate a working prototype to their satisfaction, they will reconsider.

I believe the US patent office was "satisfied" with a working prototype and  awarded US Patent 7,095,126 B2 to Jesse McQueen.  If the US patent Office was consistent in their work and satisfied with a working prototype, the prototype had to have worked including the self-running after starting.

I consider the following "lead-out" Energy devices as confirmed:
1. Milkovic 2SO
2. Chan Wheel
3. Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier
4. Witts generator
5. Ymnee QMOGEN
6. McQueen QMOGEN

There may be more but I have not had the chance to examine them.

Low-Q

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2781 on: March 02, 2015, 07:33:49 AM »
Now that the discussions are on scientific basis, I would like to add the following:

1.  The varying Centrifugal Force of the Unbalanced Wheel or Cylinder will cause the axle to vibrate.  This vibration or oscillation will lead-out gravitational energy.
This vibration will cause the inertia of the flywheel to require energy input to sustain rotation. So it's correct it will potentially deliver energy, but on the expense of energy input.

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2.  If this additional energy is immediately transferred via a loose belt pulley system to another axle, the lead-out gravitational energy does useful work. (Chas Campbell arrangement)
So there is no additional energy due to the explanation above

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3.  Even in the case of a perfectly balanced wheel, if we couple it with a loose belt pulley system, a vibration will be produced.  This vibration will also lead-out gravitational energy.
Nope

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4.  Thus it appears a belt type system is better than a tooth type system if we want to lead-out and use the lead-out energy.
No comment

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5.  Can we consider the vibrations caused by the varying Centrifugal Force as pulses?  Control via transferring the energy via belt and pulley to another axle?
In the field of gravity we can consider the varying centrifugal forces as sinuodial, not pulses. If you had put a force-meter in the axle, and fed the readings into an oscilloscope, you would see a sinewave.

I repeat what other members here has mentioned: Without a physical working device, based on the principle in simulations, we cannot say or claim there is over unity going on. A physical experiment will finally reveal the real workings of such a device. Too often people miss out elements in the calculus. Elements that is ignored or overlooked. So again, physical experiments that measures energy input and energy output is the ONLY way to verify the real workings of a device.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2782 on: March 02, 2015, 07:57:24 AM »
My patent applications both in US and China were rejected because they were classified as impossible perpetual motion machines.

On communication with the patent office - if I can demonstrate a working prototype to their satisfaction, they will reconsider.

I believe the US patent office was "satisfied" with a working prototype and  awarded US Patent 7,095,126 B2 to Jesse McQueen.  If the US patent Office was consistent in their work and satisfied with a working prototype, the prototype had to have worked including the self-running after starting.
It is trivial to check the USPTO PAIR records to find that what you say you believe is BS.  The prosecution records show that McQueen altered the language of his application to remove any statements that the device self-sustains.  He changed the language to state that the device "improves efficiency".  The prosecution records do not include any demonstration of the claimed invention.
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I consider the following "lead-out" Energy devices as confirmed:
1. Milkovic 2SO
2. Chan Wheel
3. Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier
4. Witts generator
5. Ymnee QMOGEN
6. McQueen QMOGEN
As demonstrated above, you do not perform even trivial diligence.  You can believe that the Easter Bunny funds the retirement of deserving individuals with equal confidence to your above declared beliefs.
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There may be more but I have not had the chance to examine them.
The fact is that you have not performed a competent examination of any of the above listed devices.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2783 on: March 02, 2015, 08:18:31 AM »
The electric motor is turning the flywheel.

Only in the sense that they are harmonically coupled and energy is indirectly transferred from the motor to the flywheel. The motor does not directly turn the flywheel.

I can accelerate the motor and the flywheel will accelerate. If I accelerate to quickly or add too much load, the coupling falls apart. This is the major flaw in these two stage devices.

ltseung888

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2784 on: March 02, 2015, 09:54:44 AM »
Monthly Meeting on March 8, 2015 (Sunday) from 2 pm in the Office of Peter Chan
Open to all who are interested.  Email lawrencetseung@yahoo.com to confirm participation.

Place:

Office of  Mr. Peter Chan
Unit C, 15/F, Block 1
Tai Ping Ind. Center
57 Ting Kok Road
Tai Po, N.T.
Hong Kong

Agenda:

Available for experiments
Chan Wheel, Yuen Wheel, horizontal and vertical magnetic suspension.

Agenda
1.   Introduce the participants
2.   Introduction to QMOGENs
3.   The Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier QMOGEN
4.   Other self-running QMOGENs including WITTS and YMNEE
5.   Open Discussions
6.   Dinner (optional at HK$100 per person)

ltseung888

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2785 on: March 02, 2015, 11:40:23 AM »
The US patent related to QMOGEN.

Cannot find the PCT patent yet.

If there were no international filing, building it outside US is legitimate?

Paul-R

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2786 on: March 02, 2015, 03:01:32 PM »
It's ok to question, but nature will probably not change for that reason.

...unless the initial supposition, however widely taught in schools etc, is wrong, (like the domain theory of magnetism).

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2787 on: March 02, 2015, 03:14:46 PM »
The US patent related to QMOGEN.

Cannot find the PCT patent yet.

If there were no international filing, building it outside US is legitimate?
...unless it is patented elsewhere.

But it does not mention eccentric shaft loads, loose belts etc.

MarkE

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2788 on: March 02, 2015, 03:53:06 PM »
The US patent related to QMOGEN.

Cannot find the PCT patent yet.

If there were no international filing, building it outside US is legitimate?
Anyone can attempt to practice the patent.  They cannot practice it in commerce.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2789 on: March 02, 2015, 06:56:06 PM »
The US patent related to QMOGEN.

Cannot find the PCT patent yet.

If there were no international filing, building it outside US is legitimate?
This patent has to be a no hoper. A motor simply connected to a generator? One of the claims has a gear box in the train. Has anyone even claimed to have replicated it?