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Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !  (Read 2213736 times)

Low-Q

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2760 on: March 01, 2015, 06:15:13 PM »
So basically, a lever does no work? :)
Correct if the systems follows a sinusodial function - basically an oscillation where the energy exchange between mass and suspension. Called reactive power/energy.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2761 on: March 01, 2015, 06:37:03 PM »
Correct if the systems follows a sinusodial function - basically an oscillation where the energy exchange between mass and suspension. Called reactive power/energy.

Vidar

I agree. And that's the only reservation that I have that with Lawrence's theory. This will work when in resonance but quickly fails outside of that window (under load).

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2762 on: March 01, 2015, 07:24:22 PM »
And yet you claim to be releasing this "state secret". T
The great thing about state secrets is that the best ones are the ones where there is no evidence of them.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2763 on: March 01, 2015, 07:29:36 PM »
So basically, a lever does no work? :)
Why would you think that the fact that force applied normal to the direction of motion exchanges no work translates to the idea that a lever exchanges no work?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2764 on: March 01, 2015, 07:30:07 PM »
The great thing about state secrets is that the best ones are the ones where there is no evidence of them.
That may be the biggest state secret of all.

Low-Q

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2765 on: March 01, 2015, 08:03:38 PM »
What's doing the work in this video? What's turning the flywheel?
The electric motor is turning the flywheel.


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Would rotating a balanced weight with the drill motor do the same thing?
Yes. - Well, if connected directly to the flywheel.


The unbalanced weight is drawing more energy to run because it has to fight agains the inertia in the wooden structure/lever that is connected to the flywheel.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2766 on: March 01, 2015, 08:12:52 PM »
It is good to see that many are discussing the technology sensibly.

It will be even better for some QMOGEN inventors to improve their self-running prototypes with unbalanced cylinders.

The best is for Tsinghua University to demonstrate their QMOGENs.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2767 on: March 01, 2015, 09:45:20 PM »
It is good to see that many are discussing the technology sensibly.

It will be even better for some QMOGEN inventors to improve their self-running prototypes with unbalanced cylinders.
No such self-running prototypes have been shown to exist.
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The best is for Tsinghua University to demonstrate their QMOGENs.
They don't have a working QMOGEN either.  It is only your fantastical claim that they do.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2768 on: March 01, 2015, 10:40:27 PM »
What's doing the work in this video? What's turning the flywheel? Would rotating a balanced weight with the drill motor do the same thing?

Lawrence is correct but there are limitations to this theory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk7HuJgA0jY

Where is the next video where he claims he will have the power in and out?
I did not find it.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2769 on: March 01, 2015, 10:46:38 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFpnsMTHgRM

According to resonant fractals, we must add pulse to the slingshot.

whatever that means.

http://www.resonantfractals.org/Magnetism/Flywheel.htm

It would seem that mankind has already found two methods of gaining Over unity energy in orbital systems.
In the one case we have a sling shot orbital maneuver, the second in the mass of a rotating wheel being pulsed under powered acceleration.

Now I know there is something legendary and epic about my recent YT videos, if you modify them with magnets for pulse we are taking
this to new levels of crazy shit.

Now I do not know who is writing this @ resonant fractals. But It ''seems'' backed up by solid examples wich in my opinion beats any crap I can hear on see on these boards

I have been trying to see how this could be done, via the inexpensive pulley route, I have heard about motors having their windins cut but am not sure, I have seen double belt, crooked frames
and what seems to be like abnorally high vibration and on purpose eccentrics.

Always extremely subtle.

But the magnet route as per paladium investment, seems highly controllable by an flexible electronic system for super experimentation and understanding, like the device from platinum.

12 magnets controllable? How does it work.

I imagine, ''quantum accident'' of guy in car, oscillating with rpm of whole. This story of reflected centrifugal and centripetal is perhaps the key after all those years.

How to activate and control? Everybody use hydraulics, and self timing flow switch I believe. If motor must accelerate, it cannot be always on.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2770 on: March 01, 2015, 11:14:39 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFpnsMTHgRM

According to resonant fractals, we must add pulse to the slingshot.

whatever that means.

http://www.resonantfractals.org/Magnetism/Flywheel.htm

It would seem that mankind has already found two methods of gaining Over unity energy in orbital systems.
In the one case we have a sling shot orbital maneuver, the second in the mass of a rotating wheel being pulsed under powered acceleratio

Unless I am wrong...and I might be...the orbital slingshot is not overunity.  As in the case of Apollo 13, it simply allowed their return without any additional energy added from the spacecraft.  They were already moving faster than 25,000 mph (escape velocity from the earth) and going around the moon simply sent them back toward earth where a few course correction energy inputs needed to be added to maintain their course.
This saved massive amounts of energy required to decelerate and stop, and then accelerate back toward the earth.  Actually, I don't think this was an option as that would have required more energy than they had in fuel on board.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2771 on: March 01, 2015, 11:22:59 PM »
Hello Pirate,

No he mentions lower in the text the slingshot as being also pulsed.

He does a bad intro about that one.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2772 on: March 01, 2015, 11:32:49 PM »
Now that the discussions are on scientific basis, I would like to add the following:

1.  The varying Centrifugal Force of the Unbalanced Wheel or Cylinder will cause the axle to vibrate.  This vibration or oscillation will lead-out gravitational energy.

2.  If this additional energy is immediately transferred via a loose belt pulley system to another axle, the lead-out gravitational energy does useful work. (Chas Campbell arrangement)

3.  Even in the case of a perfectly balanced wheel, if we couple it with a loose belt pulley system, a vibration will be produced.  This vibration will also lead-out gravitational energy.

4.  Thus it appears a belt type system is better than a tooth type system if we want to lead-out and use the lead-out energy.

5.  Can we consider the vibrations caused by the varying Centrifugal Force as pulses?  Control via transferring the energy via belt and pulley to another axle?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2773 on: March 01, 2015, 11:41:21 PM »
Lawrence:

With all due respect...I disagree totally.

#1  The vibration will cause or induce additional friction which is never good in any rotating device and is a negative. It is a big loss in efficiency.
#2  A loose belt is also another good way of introducing a loss into any belt driven system.  Your car alternator does not charge your battery as it should with a loose belt.  This is a loss of efficiency...not a gain.

#3  See 1 and 2.

#4  This conclusion is wrong.  A toothed belt stops slipping which aids in a belt driven system.  A slipping belt produces heat, which in this case would seem to be a waste of the input energy right?  There is no way a system like this can offer any ADDITIONAL energy from the input...only losses that are far less than was is put in.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2774 on: March 01, 2015, 11:49:54 PM »
Lawrence:

With all due respect...I disagree totally.

#1  The vibration will cause or induce additional friction which is never good in any rotating device and is a negative. It is a big loss in efficiency.
#2  A loose belt is also another good way of introducing a loss into any belt driven system.  Your car alternator does not charge your battery as it should with a loose belt.  This is a loss of efficiency...not a gain.

#3  See 1 and 2.

#4  This conclusion is wrong.  A toothed belt stops slipping which aids in a belt driven system.  A slipping belt produces heat, which in this case would seem to be a waste of the input energy right?  There is no way a system like this can offer any ADDITIONAL energy from the input...only losses that are far less than was is put in.

Bill

Can some of the heat be due to lead-out gravitational energy?

Can we transfer such gravitational energy fast enough to prevent excessive vibration and heat production?

Think outside the box...

The Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier is not a hoax.  I am sure that a good experimenter or organization with proper resources will be able to reproduce it.  Unbalanced Wheels or Cylinder are not that difficult to make.

I am not the one to make it. Let others shine.

The scientific observation is that the balanced Chan Wheel will not lift the Weight.  The Unbalanced Chan Wheel will.  This can be confirmed easily worldwide...

The Taiwan Maglev QMOGEN system suspends the axle on magnets.  The axle is allowed to move up and down.  The Maglev has been demonstrated on TV and are gearing for production.  Controlled vibration is good?