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norman6538

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2730 on: February 27, 2015, 04:05:55 PM »
I absolutely agree. Energy is "bouncing" back and forth just like energy is "bouncing" back and forth between a parallell connection between a coil and a capacitor.
As soon as you load it with a resistance, the phase shift between current and voltage decrease and the oscillation will stop. The very same thing happens in a mechanical system with a weight (inductance in a coil) and the suspension (capacitance in a capacitor).


Vidar

The Tesal coil RLC circuit fires the spark plugs in our autos and thus  does it "recycles" the magnetic
field back and forth between the capacitor and thus makes a longer lasting spark so that a better fuel burn is achieved. - Thank you Nikola. It works because what you want is a spark
and that does not take any power out. If you take part of the power out then the spark
gets weaker.  Too bad we can't exploit this to get something else we want - perhaps the
joule thief circuits do some of this with the leds.....Got any other useful ideas on how
to apply this to what we need?

Norman

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2731 on: February 27, 2015, 05:02:16 PM »
The Tesal coil RLC circuit fires the spark plugs in our autos and thus  does it "recycles" the magnetic
field back and forth between the capacitor and thus makes a longer lasting spark so that a better fuel burn is achieved. - Thank you Nikola. It works because what you want is a spark
and that does not take any power out. If you take part of the power out then the spark
gets weaker.  Too bad we can't exploit this to get something else we want - perhaps the
joule thief circuits do some of this with the leds.....Got any other useful ideas on how
to apply this to what we need?

Norman
A spark is a conductive path through the air. It discharge the powersupply which made the spark possible.
The spark occours due to the collapse of the magnetic field around a coil. This system is called inductive discharge ignition.


Capacitors discharge ignition is mainly used in small engines. A system who Tesla invented (I think), but also involve a coil.
Today a thyristor is controlling the discharge (Old engines use a mechanical switch). The capacitor is charged to a high voltage, and suddenly discharges over a coil - a spike of voltage fed into the coils primary winding, where the secondary coil (with much more windings) make it possible for a spark to occour.


The oscillation system you mention does not last for long, and the conductive spark will empty the energy source which must be charged again before the next cycle. It does for sure take power out. You cannot make a spark without energy input - or maybe I misunderstood you.


Any Joule Thief device will "steal" energy out of a system. These simple electronic circuits use the collapse of a coils magnetic field to boost voltge, but that will drain more current from the source. The efficiency are known to be high, but not higher than 100%. So the energy output is allways lower than the energy input. These devices are also used in cheap powersupplies, also called Buck Converters, to deliver higher voltage than the source can deliver. On the expense of lower output current, and higher input current. The product of voltage and current (Measured in Watt) at both sides are allways lower at the output. I use a Buck Converter to boost voltage from a car battery up to about 25V. It powers LEDs for auxiliary lights on my car. The current through these 8x LEDs in series is about 3A, and the current input to the converter is about 6A. 13V x 6A = 78W draw from the battery, 3A x 25V = 75W to the LEDs. Efficiency is then as high as 96%. Surprisingly high for a Deal Extreme converter for a few dollars.


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2732 on: February 27, 2015, 05:06:54 PM »

As soon as you load it with a resistance, the phase shift between current and voltage decrease and the oscillation will stop. The very same thing happens in a mechanical system with a weight (inductance in a coil) and the suspension (capacitance in a capacitor).

Very interesting metaphor.

What would it mean mechanically if the electrical metaphor were to be extended into the world of reactive power (and the presumed OU benefits) ?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2733 on: February 27, 2015, 05:38:29 PM »
Low-q  said
" The spark occours due to the collapse of the magnetic field around a coil."
yes but it sloshes back and forthe between the cap and coil numerous times
till is wanes down like a child on a swing and that is why the spark looks brighter
than one without the capacitor......and thus burns the fuel more completely..


The cap went bad in my father's car one time and it ran but had little power
till the cap was replaced and then it ran with full power because it had a
more complete burn.

So if what you wanted was a lot of light that that spark made then to get more
light the recycling would work but what we want is usually mechanical or
electrical power so the RLC circuit does not get us what we want cause it
stops recycling when you take power out.


Norman

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2734 on: February 27, 2015, 06:09:55 PM »
Very interesting metaphor.

What would it mean mechanically if the electrical metaphor were to be extended into the world of reactive power (and the presumed OU benefits) ?
If I understand your question correctly, a mechanical oscillation system that is loaded, will cause lag in the mechanical movement of the weight.
Imagine you want a mass and its suspension oscillate in syrup. The mass and the suspension is the same, but the syrup will resist a compressed or stretched suspension to move the weight through it. It cause a delay in the weights movement in both directions and therfor limit the amplitude, or how far the weight travels in each direction. Another thing that happens is that the resonance frequency drops. Of course energy is spent and taken from the oscillation, but the result is what you can imagine. Hard to sustain oscillation when there is a resistor in the system.


In a lossless suspension/weight system, the compression of the suspension occours at the same time as the weight approach the suspension to compress it. In syrup the weights movement will more or less follow the force in the suspension, making it almost impossible to detect a resonance at all - hence less phase shift.


Reactive power poses no load and can not be converted to do work.


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2735 on: February 27, 2015, 10:44:26 PM »
Draft Letter to the Chinese Officials in charge of Technology Development, Mr. X

Dear Mr. X,

China always want to get to the forefront of Science and Technology.  You have been put at a position to guide the Nation.  I would like to bring your attention to the field of New Energy.

There is a new wave of inventions called QMOGEN.  Sterling Allan compiled over 50 of them.  These QMOGENs are Motor-Generator pairs.  The Motors get their starting power from mains or batteries.  They then rotate the shafts of the Generators and other components.  After full speed, the mains or batteries are disconnected.  The Generators will continue to provide power to drive the Motor and other electrical appliances.

Your first reaction may be – it is impossible.  It violates the Law of Conservation of Energy.  But the oldest and best QMOGEN is actually the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier.  I learned about it in 2006 when Lee Cheung Kin and I went to present the Lead-out Energy Theory and the workings of the 225 HP Pulse Motor.

The secret or the Physics behind the QMOGEN has now been worked out.  In the case of the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier, gravitational energy is lead-out or brought-in via rotation of Unbalanced Cylinders.  The details are in overunity.com reply 2718. Please search using key word “12 Times” after you get into the overunity.com website.

If you want to see experimental evidence, you can approach Tsinghua University or come to Hong Kong to see the Chan Wheel in action.  The Chan Wheel is an improvement over the Milkovic two stage pendulum.  It can clearly show that gravitational energy can be lead-out or brought-in via an Unbalanced Wheel.  A Balanced Wheel cannot do so.

I believe that such a technology may have been known to you and may even be classified as a State Secret.  I would urge you to carefully consider or reconsider the situation.  Over 50 similar devices are now known Worldwide.  One or more will hit the market sooner or later.

If China does not act, China will fall behind.  Please take appropriate action.

Let us build a stronger China to benefit the World.

Lawrence Tseung
Co-Developer of the Lee-Tseung Lead-out Energy Theory

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2736 on: February 27, 2015, 11:00:32 PM »
Draft Letter to the Chinese Officials in charge of Technology Development, Mr. X

Dear Mr. X,

China always want to get to the forefront of Science and Technology.  You have been put at a position to guide the Nation.  I would like to bring your attention to the field of New Energy.

There is a new wave of inventions called QMOGEN.  Sterling Allan compiled over 50 of them.  These QMOGENs are Motor-Generator pairs.  The Motors get their starting power from mains or batteries.  They then rotate the shafts of the Generators and other components.  After full speed, the mains or batteries are disconnected.  The Generators will continue to provide power to drive the Motor and other electrical appliances.

Your first reaction may be – it is impossible.  It violates the Law of Conservation of Energy.  But the oldest and best QMOGEN is actually the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier.  I learned about it in 2006 when Lee Cheung Kin and I went to present the Lead-out Energy Theory and the workings of the 225 HP Pulse Motor.

The secret or the Physics behind the QMOGEN has now been worked out.  In the case of the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier, gravitational energy is lead-out or brought-in via rotation of Unbalanced Cylinders.  The details are in overunity.com reply 2718. Please search using key word “12 Times” after you get into the overunity.com website.

If you want to see experimental evidence, you can approach Tsinghua University or come to Hong Kong to see the Chan Wheel in action.  The Chan Wheel is an improvement over the Milkovic two stage pendulum.  It can clearly show that gravitational energy can be lead-out or brought-in via an Unbalanced Wheel.  A Balanced Wheel cannot do so.

I believe that such a technology may have been known to you and may even be classified as a State Secret.  I would urge you to carefully consider or reconsider the situation.  Over 50 similar devices are now known Worldwide.  One or more will hit the market sooner or later.

If China does not act, China will fall behind.  Please take appropriate action.

Let us build a stronger China to benefit the World.

Lawrence Tseung
Co-Developer of the Lee-Tseung Lead-out Energy Theory
Have you considered writing this in Chinese?

Low-Q

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2737 on: February 28, 2015, 12:26:46 AM »
Have you considered writing this in Chinese?

親愛的X先生,


中國總是希望得到科技的最前沿。你一直擺在一個位置來指導國家。我想提請你注意新能源領域。


有一個新的發明浪潮稱為QMOGEN。英鎊艾倫編制超過50人。這些QMOGENs是電動發電機對。該汽車公司得到他們的權力開始從主電源或電池。然後,他們轉動發電機和其他組件的軸。經過全面提速,電源或電池斷開連接。該發電機將繼續提供電能驅動電機等電器。


你的第一反應可能是 - 這是不可能的。它違反了能量守恆定律。不過,最古老和最QMOGEN實際上是清華大學能源乘數。我在2006年得知這時候利祥健和我去呈現引出線能源理論和HP 225脈衝電機的工作原理。


秘密或QMOGEN背後的物理學現在已經制定了。在清華大學能源乘法器的情況下,重力能是引出或贊助商,在通過非平衡缸的旋轉。細節是overunity.com回复2718使用關鍵字“12次”請搜索後,你進入overunity.com網站。


如果你想看到的實驗證據,你可以接近清華或來港見成龍輪行動。禪輪是經過改良的Milkovic兩級擺。它可以清楚地表明,引力能可以引出或通過車輪不平衡帶來式。均衡的車輪不能這樣做。


我相信,這樣的技術可能已經知道,你甚至可能被列為國家機密。我會勸你慎重考慮或重新考慮的情況。超過50個類似的設備是目前已知世界各地。一個或多個將衝擊市場遲早的事。


如果中國不採取行動,中國會落後。請採取適當的行動。


讓我們建立一個強大的中國有利於世界。


勞倫斯將軍澳
聯合開發的李將軍澳鉛出能量理論

Void

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2738 on: February 28, 2015, 12:27:26 AM »
Morality Point:
It is extremely unwise, if not outright dishonest, to declare something as *definitely* producing
over unity, when you have not first built the device yourself and configured the device in such a way
that it will self run from its own generated power for a reasonably and considerable long amount of time without stopping, with
no batteries or other external power sources connected to the device or otherwise providing power to the device. 
The honest and sensible way is for a person to honestly admit that they do not know for certain that something is definitely
over unity, if they do not know this *for certain*. There is of course a world of difference between what might possibly
be over unity, and what has definitely been proven to oneself to be over unity by building a self running device.

Corollary:
To mislead people, whether intentionally or not, is still misleading people.


All the best...

norman6538

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2739 on: February 28, 2015, 01:17:49 AM »
Morality Point:
It is extremely unwise, if not outright dishonest, to declare something as *definitely* producing
over unity, when you have not first built the device yourself and configured the device
in such a way
that it will self run from its own generated power for a reasonably and considerable long amount of time without stopping, with
no batteries or other external power sources connected to the device or otherwise providing power to the device. 
All the best...

Sadly I have to agree with you. And sadly I will predict that a year from now there will be
no selfrunning device using the technology presented here. And sadly this will likely end up in a verbal battle and a bunch of wasted bandwidth and disk storage.

But I would much rather be wrong.
Norman

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2740 on: February 28, 2015, 12:41:10 PM »
I just want to show you an image of a oscillation system. The image is taken from another thread. It displays how and why an oscillation system can't produce excess energy.
The arrows in the red and green path of the pendulum speaks for itself. Regardless if there is magnets present or not, the pendulums path will be similar, assuming the weight is liftet at each cycle of the pendulum.
If someone assumes that the pendulum is unaffected by the energy it adds the weight to the right, your'e wrong  :)

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2741 on: February 28, 2015, 07:29:47 PM »
Morality Point:
It is extremely unwise, if not outright dishonest, to declare something as *definitely* producing
over unity, when you have not first built the device yourself and configured the device in such a way
that it will self run from its own generated power for a reasonably and considerable long amount of time without stopping, with
no batteries or other external power sources connected to the device or otherwise providing power to the device. 
The honest and sensible way is for a person to honestly admit that they do not know for certain that something is definitely
over unity, if they do not know this *for certain*. There is of course a world of difference between what might possibly
be over unity, and what has definitely been proven to oneself to be over unity by building a self running device.

Corollary:
To mislead people, whether intentionally or not, is still misleading people.


All the best...

Let us take the case of Galileo - his studies and understanding convinced him 100% that the Earth is round.  Should he declare that fact to the World?  The authorities at that time refused to accept his reasoning.

Some may even ask him to go round the World himself to prove it.

In the case of the QMOGEN, over 50 have been compiled by Sterling Allan.  The best one is the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier.  That was introduced to me by some one extremely credible - a professor at Tsinghua University and his group of research students.  I did not realize or did not have the conviction to say that the cylinders were unbalanced in 2006.

Now I have the Chan Wheel.  It clearly demonstrates that a balanced wheel cannot lift the weight.  The Unbalanced Wheel can easily do so.  The Physics of adding the Centrifugal Force to the weight of the pendulum bob conclusively showed that the varying tension will provide the oscillation to lift the Weight (and to lead-out gravitational energy). The Output Energy m1gh to lift the weight is definitely more than the energy required to return the system to the original state m2gh.
The difference (m1-m2)gh is the lead-out energy that can be used to do other useful work.

There is no need to build another QMOGEN myself. Helping one or more QMOGEN inventors to improve their prototypes and explain the Physics properly is a much better strategy.  More people will shine.

Galileo was not dishonest when he told the World that the Earth is round...

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2742 on: February 28, 2015, 07:41:02 PM »
Let us take the case of Galileo when his studies and understanding convinced him 100% that the Earth is round.  Should he declare that fact to the World?  The authorities at that time refused to accept his reasoning.

Some may even ask him to go round the World himself to prove it.
Since the ancient Greeks had already established that the world was round and had come up with a fairly accurate estiambe of the earth's diameter, it was the detractors, AKA Catholic Church who ignored available evidence.
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In the case of the QMOGEN, over 50
claims, none proven
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have been compiled by Sterling Allan.  The best one is the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier.  That was introduced to me by some one extremely credible - a professor at Tsinghua University and his group of research students.  I did not realize or did not have the conviction to say that the cylinders were unbalanced in 2006.
And here we are about nine years later and no one is showing any evidence of the claimed device actually working.  The QMoGen is on its back, baking in the sun.  It can't achieve unity.  It can't get out of the sun without your help Lawrence.  But, you're not helping it.  Why is that Lawrence?
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Now I have the Chan Wheel.  It clearly demonstrates that a balanced wheel cannot lift the weight.  The Unbalanced Wheel can easily do so.  The Physics of adding the Centrifugal Force to the weight of the pendulum bob conclusively showed that the varying tension will provide the oscillation to lift the Weight (and to lead-out gravitational energy).

There is no need to build another QMOGEN myself. Helping one or more QMOGEN inventors to improve their prototypes is a much better strategy.  More people wil shine.
Since you cannot make one work not trying is a great strategy.
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Galileo was not dishonest when he told the World that the Earth is round...
No, but given that a number of your claims run so very afoul of simple sanity checks that you could easily perform yourself, it is very curious why you continue to promote these false ideas.  You keep telling us how people have been easily obtaining or could easily obtain free energy for years, and yet you have never shown something that actually produces the free energy you claim is so easily obtained.  Why is that Lawrence?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2743 on: February 28, 2015, 07:49:40 PM »
I just want to show you an image of a oscillation system. The image is taken from another thread. It displays how and why an oscillation system can't produce excess energy.
The arrows in the red and green path of the pendulum speaks for itself. Regardless if there is magnets present or not, the pendulums path will be similar, assuming the weight is liftet at each cycle of the pendulum.
If someone assumes that the pendulum is unaffected by the energy it adds the weight to the right, your'e wrong  :)

Where?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2744 on: March 01, 2015, 12:39:50 AM »
9 years, and nearly 3000 posts later....

still for some reason, no one has rigged this thing to a 'keeper', to cycle the pendulum.....

why??

the pendulum clock was invented in 1656.....  we know how to do it..... that can't be the problem...

the equations for the pendulum are well known, we can simply calculate how much energy is needed to keep a pendulum moving.
we know how to do it,... that can't be the problem....

all these false claims of excess energy from this device,.. even after we baby-step you guys through the math, and show you exactly what happens every swing of the pendulum....
even after reading the specs of the water pump, from the INVENTOR himself...

even after you yourselves have to INPUT energy into the pendulum every time it stops,.....

still this senseless promotion of this device.....   

Why hasn't anyone successfully looped it??  because it doesn't work....