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Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !  (Read 1450657 times)

Offline konduct

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #120 on: December 13, 2006, 08:51:49 AM »
Can someone slightly stronger in the electrical field give me an idea on the best way to construct a linear inductive coil / dynamo?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #121 on: December 13, 2006, 08:56:18 AM »
konduct,

Thanks! I'm attending 3 different colleges right now in Southern Calif. Trying to get into the nursing program.  I was a software engineer for several years until I got laid off. Studied Electrical Engineering before that at CSUF. 

I caught the free-energy bug after listening to Art Bell radio program talking about the Hamel 3-cone device that imploded. I never was able to replicate any free energy devices since. I'm hoping this pendulum thing might work!

Brian


Hey Brian. Great graphics and input. What school are you attending? 

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #122 on: December 13, 2006, 09:09:51 AM »
konduct,

What comes to mind is one of those flashlights you shake that charges up a rechargeable battery. Use cylindrical neo magnets in a pvc pipe and wrap 24 guage wire around the pipe. The up and down motion should induce current in the coil. Use caps and full wave bridge rectifier to capture the energy. Some of those key words mentioned could be looked up in the internet for more details I guess. Hope it wasn't too simplistic of an explaination...

Brian

Can someone slightly stronger in the electrical field give me an idea on the best way to construct a linear inductive coil / dynamo?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #122 on: December 13, 2006, 09:09:51 AM »
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Offline konduct

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #123 on: December 13, 2006, 09:59:31 AM »
Wow...imploding 3 cone device!  I'm more of a magnet guy so that sounds juicy! 

I was thinking exactly what you did about the shake lights scenario but I need the Eletrical Engineering part!  I'm so dumb with juice that I'm pratically afraid to touch a capacitor out of the box! =) I'm a whiz with gadgets, software, mechanics, website building, yadda yadda yadda... but...What the heck does a "full wave bridge rectifier" do?  I'll try and figure it out...Do you think I could take apart a one of those flashlights and add some caps and or batteries to it for more juice? I like the idea of charging batteries for mere evidence of overunity! One of my main problems is figuring out what components will hold enough juice to power the solenoids.

Thx   

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #124 on: December 13, 2006, 10:26:38 AM »
Hi Konduct

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Can someone slightly stronger in the electrical field give me an idea on the best way to construct a linear inductive coil / dynamo?

Please look back in the thread, I gave you an idea how this could be realize with read/write heads from a harddisk drive.
For a simple experiment it would be enough.

Someone replies that I forgot the springs in my drawing. Yes he is right. Sorry but it was a fast drawing. Of course there have to be springs to create the effect.

And here is one more advantage with the coil-magnet  setup compairing it with the crank-flywheel-setup.
With the coil-magnet setup you will be able to tap out some energy out of the system by driving the load i.e. with a microcontroller, switching resistance on and off.
Remember that the springs have dynamic properties. So if you want to tap some energy out of the system I suggest that you have to stay tuned with this dynamic curve in order to not disturb the motion timing of the system.
With the microcontroller you will be able to tap in the right moment with the right load.
I hope you understand what I am trying to explain.


kr
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Offline corpsegravy

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #125 on: December 13, 2006, 12:39:47 PM »
Movement of the pendulum's fulcrum is a potential problem as it might transfer damping energy to the pendulum.

But the addition of the springs is what helps eleviate this.  The springs store energy AND limit motion.  They then return this energy to the lever as an increase in velocity as it moves from up to down or down to up.  Interesting to note that this energy returns to the lever and not the pendulum.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #126 on: December 13, 2006, 01:30:54 PM »
Corpsegravy is correct.  The springs are what I call an energy "recycler."

Hey Brian!  I now know what a rectifier is!  That helps me skip figuring out how to build a commutator!

To all...Bravo!!!  Per Tiger's suggestion, I have re-read the entire thread and am impressed by our little group here.  We have collectively stirred each other's minds to action and quite frankly, this little machine is so adaptable that there's not much it wouldn't do! =) We could stick coils 7 ways from Sunday!

Tiger Buddy...I just don't know enough about programming controller chips and such to make the thing too complicated electronically but I am sure there will be a time to implement your ideas.

Sam...thanks for the motivation!  I can't bring myself to rip up my only bike right now and I don't have room for any more...BUT...I think once I've got the "little junior" version down...We can go ahead and build the "Big Momma" with lots of weight and 21 Speeds or possibly a torque converter. (I love torque converters...they're starting to use them in Nissan transmissions.) I'm trying to hook a saw blade up and cut a tree in half for a demo of the Big Momma and put that on YouTube! Power! For Free!

Alas, I keep thinking Brian's over all setup seems the most feasible to me for right now.  Simplicity...I have plenty of 1/4" one way ID bearings already on hand...I already have a decent wooden flywheel that I will throw a bunch of neos in and run past a coil.  As long as Brian helps me figure out the caps/wiring/solenoids etc without getting me electrocuted, then we should have a pretty cool little generator to show for our efforts.  I'll buy all the stuff.

Anybody know of some kind of meter like the power company uses to hook up so we could take a running measurement of total power generated over the course of time?  Basically a read out of total watt hours?  It would be cool to say how much juice something like this can put out over certain intervals.

One last question...When you guys mention 90 degrees in reference to the pendulum, do you mean a total swing of 90 degrees, 45 on each side of 6 oclock?  Or 90 to each side adding up to 180? 

Thanks again guys!  I'm truly proud of what everyone has made from the thread...from the start of the golden fish metaphor! We rock!   

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Offline supersam

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #127 on: December 13, 2006, 07:00:36 PM »
hey everyone,

i don't know if anyone has taken a look at the milkovic web site in the last few days, but it seems like a whole lot of new downloads of patent information has been added since i first saw it last week.  most of the patents are written in a language that i can't read.  but there are several with english translation for us monolinguists.  great stuff though the pictures alone can really stimulate alot of thought.  even have one with a generator, driving a motor driving the pendulum.  good theory page also that i either missed or has been added since my last visit. 

i am chomping at the bit to get back home so i can get to work on all the ideas i have already.  well i guess i'll be home for christmas, to get my christmas gift.  can't wait.  you guys had better get started.  cause i'm going to come on strong then.

@konduct,
i think with two springs we can get two power strokes,  take a look at the video on milkovic's site, where he powers the eighteen dynamo lights, nine on the downstroke nine on the upstroke.  and he is pushing the pendulum with the trigger of another that doesn't even light up except on the start.

great stuff and ideas to everyone.  lets close the loop!!! i think it is simply a matter of replication at this point but still would be great to see.

lol
sam

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #128 on: December 13, 2006, 10:02:10 PM »
I'm thinking of using caps.  Batteries seem to make skeptics even more skeptical.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #128 on: December 13, 2006, 10:02:10 PM »
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #129 on: December 13, 2006, 11:38:30 PM »
hey everyone,

how much power could we generate if we wrapped a coil around the bicycle wheel,  as in brian's design, and then placed fixed permanent magnets at various points around the wheel?  i wonder if the toroidal coil will give us more power?  just my stupid thought of the day stuck out here on the road.

lol
sam

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #130 on: December 14, 2006, 12:01:57 AM »
I am still mentally trying to calculate how many joules of brain power it would take to keep pushing the pendulum at the "correct moment" to account for a 12:1 overunity efficiency.

It is a real conundrum and a great testimony to the abilities of the human mind to be able to observe and interact with the physical universe in such an efficient manor.

Imagine the computing power it would take to observe the swing of the pendulum and interupt it only when the addition of force would be effective in the positive moment.

wow.. "big blue" stand aside .. chess champion you may be, but that !! .. i would love to see happening real time in a mechanical system .. ;)

Good luck guys :D



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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #131 on: December 14, 2006, 12:08:37 AM »
http://world.honda.com/ASIMO/

better chance of this guy beating us all at a game of touch footbal :D

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #132 on: December 14, 2006, 12:38:38 AM »
hey dean,

i don't think it takes that many joules of brain power.  all you have to do is keep the damn pendulum swinging and the rest of the system takes care of it's self.  maybe you should use some of those joules of yours investigating that!!!!

lol
sam

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #133 on: December 14, 2006, 12:46:11 AM »
OMFG ITIFIO! You know guys...I've been thinking about the pendulum's method for multiplying kinetic energy.  It is basically building up inertia as gravity pulls on it until it hits the bottom of it's swing.  It's just like dropping a ball straight down except that it "falls" on an incline because of the "string". Then, it "rolls" back up the "ramp" and recycles the energy back into the next swing.  The swing or "ramp" of the pendulum gives it centrifugal force which is obviously different from linear force. A lot of the centrifugal force is lost if not converted into energy or used...it actually works against the pendulum if it is absorbed back into it since the centrifugal force is about 90 degress from the linear motion.

What I believe to be true is this...
      -A linear magnetic motor is like dropping a ball.
      -A magnetic ramp is like a pendulum swinging into a brick wall.
      -Two magnetic ramps in a linear opposing configuration is like a  pendulum by itself, with losses each swing due to the sticky spot and the lack of recycling the excess energy.  The excess is there but the damn machine eats it back up.
      - NOW...Two magnetic ramps in a opposing circular configuration make use of the cetrifugal forces by using them to slide past the sticky point!  The increasing magnetic field decreases equally on the other side of the sticky spot so the excess energy is more than enough to get to the "top" of the next ramp!  I know this is hard without pictures but comparing the fundementals of Mikovic's device with the Mikell Device at http://www.fdp.nu/mikelldevice/thedevice.asp has led me to these conclusions.  I believe the  Mikell device to be the most "honest in description" compared to other inventors claims.  The kid didn't really even understand why it worked because he just explained how he built it. BUT, I have a feeling his Father and Uncle did know why it works!  

Basically...the "free" energy in a magnet motor will not be directly from the magnets' power, but by the amount of centrifugal power the magnetic differences can generate!  Thanks Sam!  I asked myself, "How can a pendulum and lever get past the sticky spot?"  The magnetic ramps are the pendulum and the rotor is the lever.  


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #134 on: December 14, 2006, 12:50:51 AM »
I got an idea for detecting when to push the pendulum...
Don't even need a processor. How about a mercury switches?
Only trigger when the pendulum is in down swing and the lever is up or vice versa...

Good luck apriciated but not needed,
~Dingus

 

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