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Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !  (Read 1428103 times)

Offline FreeEnergy

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #90 on: December 12, 2006, 11:24:30 AM »
Hi all
If you are trying to close the loop don?t use a crank with a flywheel. The mass of the flywheel will create a back drag on the lever and influence the swinging pendulum.
In my opinion the pendulum has to swing free in order to create this effect (12 times more ...).
The crank will also synchronize this device and I?m sure that this is not what we are looking for.
Stefan mentioned this before in one of his replies, that here is a kind of phase shifting in play.
The idea with the one way gear in the center of the lever seems very good to me.
But I would also try this one you see in the pic. With parts of a harddisk-drive, the read/write head.

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In that way you can tap the energy directly form the coil and mantain the swinging motion.

You can also align a few of them. In series or even in parallel if you want.

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2Tiger

so i am guessing to close the loop we would place a magnet at the end of the massive lever arm where it swings back and forth close to some wrapped coil and that wrapped coil would feed a capacitor and that capacitor would run a small motor to keep the pendulum swinging so this way the system sustains itself in motion :)

or have the coil wrapped around the massive lever arm where it swings back and forth close to some magnets. the coil would feed a capacitor and that capacitor would run a small motor to keep the pendulum swinging so this way the system sustains itself in motion  ;)

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #91 on: December 12, 2006, 05:28:31 PM »
I think you guys are correct about not using a flywheel wheel with a crank. However, I believe a flywheel will work if it is freewheeling, as in the back wheel of a bike. It's freewheeling relative to the crank in one direction so it does not interfere with the pendulum as much. The back wheel would be the flywheel. That's why I like Sam's the idea of the one-way gear.

Also, in the drawing where there are coils and neo magnets near the pivot point of the lever, maybe it was left out on purpose, but there should be a counter weight to the pendulum, such as a massive left arm, or an arm connected to a counter spring.

Below is another diagram using bicycle parts. Thanks for the ideas.

Brian

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #92 on: December 12, 2006, 07:03:29 PM »
Hey guys,

I just emailed the inventor himself, Veljko Milković.  Hopefully, he will respond with some good advise and suggestions.

Here's what I emailed:

Hello Mr. Milkovic,

In the www.overunity.com discussion forum, we are discussing your pendulum invention. Thank you for sharing it with us in your website.

Attached is an idea that we came up with using your concepts of the pendulum.

Can you give any suggestions or improvements on it? From this link we know that we can get a force on the pendulum side that is 3 times the weight of the pendulum, assuming it starts at 90 degrees:

http://www.vernier.com/discussion/index.html?topic=54

Looking forward for any input you can give us.

Best Regards,

Brian

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #93 on: December 12, 2006, 07:57:56 PM »
Hi Brian,

I think that was a good idea from you and from my part I look forward to see the outcome  ;)

Probably you have noticed Veljko Milković's patent references at his site,  http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/PatentiEng.html and the good thing is he also considered to generate electricity with his lever+pendulum setup, see http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Patenti/Patent3.jpg    and a modification of the basic setup: http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Patenti/Patent18.jpg where he replaced the pendulum with a electric motor and an arm attached to the electric motor's shaft to utilize gravitational and centrifugal forces transformed to the other side of the lever.

Supersam's idea is also excellent with the one way gear, I do agree and the notices/suggestions from 2tiger are also very very good.

Thanks to you all!

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #94 on: December 12, 2006, 08:36:02 PM »
KONDUCT,

where are you man?  this keeps looking better and better! i think with just two spare bikes 2$ u.s. we can not only keep the pendulum moving with brians idea we should be able to generate excess power.  where are you?  with your speed in replication this thing could be put to bed before i even get back to my shop!!!!  i hope you are still watching this. or maybe someon else can jump on this.  it would sure be a nice christmas present for me!!

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sam

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #95 on: December 12, 2006, 08:55:19 PM »
hey brian,

if the system seems to work best when loaded why not use the downstroke to power the pendulum and the upstroke to power the generator, or a flywheel to keep the generator, spinning at a constant speed for optimal performance.  if we really have 12 times more power out than in it seems to me like both could be accomplished!!!

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sam

ps.  if you need alittle more from my downstroke, to swing the pendulum i am sure there is plenty of power to spare and my center shaft at the fulcrum does have two sides? :o  all we need is a few more gears.  i have already figured we needed to do something with the extra energy after we put just a little in to swing the pendulum.  no matter how we gear it.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #96 on: December 12, 2006, 08:55:40 PM »
hey,

can somebody do a simulation on these setups combined? 

LOL
SAM

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #97 on: December 12, 2006, 09:04:47 PM »
hey brian,

if the system seems to work best when loaded why not use the downstroke to power the pendulum and the upstroke to power the generator, or a flywheel to keep the generator, spinning at a constant speed for optimal performance.  if we really have 12 times more power out than in it seems to me like both could be accomplished!!!

lol
sam

ps.  if you need alittle more from my downstroke, to swing the pendulum i am sure there is plenty of power to spare and my center shaft at the fulcrum does have two sides? :o  all we need is a few more gears.  i have already figured we needed to do something with the extra energy after we put just a little in to swing the pendulum.  no matter how we gear it.

To me , this sounds like a hybrid, where that does more work than that,also sounds like a pulse gravity motor :-).

With the coil , and capacitor, when it moves in to the loop point, you could have a thing where it fires of the capacitor, to fire the motor(?) for automatic pulseing,unless you use a manual timer.....then you got to think about, how much electric motor power it requires to make the machine to start of again,

just an idea.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #98 on: December 12, 2006, 09:56:23 PM »
daniel,

not really, we already have enogh power without charging a cap!  think about it.  if we have more than enough to swing the pendulum on the downstroke, and extra to feed the fly wheel, then the upstroke is there for nothing but free energy conversion to flywheel nd then electrical power, and of course the frictional losses of such a mechanical system.

lol
sam

ps:  but with 12:1, what is wrong with giving 10% back?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #99 on: December 12, 2006, 09:58:23 PM »
Hey guys!  This thing is just taking up space in my kitchen right now! I need to do something with it. Lol!  

The free wheeling flywheel should work fine.  Someone earlier mentioned it would take the pendulum out of phase.  Not so...the pendulum's phase is independent of the lever.

The main thing holding me up is figuring out the generator / solenoid setup to push the pendulum.  Any suggestions?  (Sam, I like the idea of using one stroke for excess energy and the other stroke for pendulum input!  The machine should like it as well.)

I'm assuming I can hook some sort of DC motor up and crank on the shaft to get some juice out?  Any idea how much juice I'll need to push that pendulum back and forth? I was thinking along the lines of a jig saw type motor since I can get one for about $20 from Walmart but I don't know if its actually a DC motor since it gets plugged into the wall?  (Maybe incorporate Flynn's Parrallel Path into the solenoid for grins.  Conservation is half the battle in OU sometimes.)

Help me fill in some of these blanks and I'll gladly hook it all up!

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #100 on: December 12, 2006, 10:03:05 PM »
I've got some roller switches I think will work to fire the solenoids.  I figure I can put them at an optimum height and let the pendulum control the timing.  From what I understand, a pendulum's oscillation time remains constant, regardless of its "amplitude".

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #101 on: December 12, 2006, 10:39:34 PM »
hey konduct,

i am thinking two different bicycle gear setups on either side of the center shaft at the fulcrum, then you can gear with the bicycle gears the output to the pendulum one way and use any excess out of the otherside of the shaft geared differently to use up the power spining the flywheel setup brian sugested to help boost the flywheel.  with brians setup you can also use the bicycle gears to speed the flywheel to make extra power.  does any of this make since?

lol
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #102 on: December 12, 2006, 10:43:32 PM »
Below is another diagram with a real bike. This is what I had in mind.

Yes we should make use of both up and down strokes so energy is not wasted.

To make use of the downstroke, maybe the energy can be stored in the spring as in the diagram. This is what is in the pump invention. I think it had two springs.

Brian

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #103 on: December 12, 2006, 10:46:29 PM »
By the way, maybe the front suspension should be replaced by a solid fork!!!  ::)

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #104 on: December 12, 2006, 10:49:16 PM »
NOW!

stupid question of the day, why can this not also be used to overcome the sticky point?  some of you magnet guys need to jump on this!!!

lol
sam

 

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